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7 hours ago, DorfL2 said:

Not really sure what's the big hoohah about Archer been nerf.

Every class have been nerf to hell, except archer.

 

I've been in this game since BETA. Archer have been the BEST class basically in all CHRONICLE.

With this small nerf, its still nothing at all, as gd as no nerf. Archer is still the most powerful class in this game.

Based on me having a level 110 Archer, 110 Feoh and 110 Evi.

 

Personally, if archer can 1 to 2 shot a tank, it's hell on a nonsense.

That's goes to show how un-even is the difference in class. The game mechanism and setup failed.

"4RcH3Rs hAv3 be3N tHe B3sT cL4Ss iN aLl cHrOnICL3"

 kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Where were you when archers had 30% damage nerf based on target distance?
Where were you when they introduced Song of Windstorm? I bet you have no idea what it is.
Where were you when archers skills were useless for dmg and all we had was normal attacks that are subject to bow delay? Do you even know what bow delay is? I bet my gear you dont.
Where  were you when on top of Song of Wind storm they introduced Counter Critical (-30% received critical dmg and 2x given critical dmg EXCEPT for bows) and Chant of Protection(another -30% received critical dmg)?
Where were you when GoD went live and nukers were completely overpowered that even previous archers used stone of desteny to change to Feoh?
Where were you when bows/xbows got their critical damage multiplier changed from 2.0x to 1.5x effectively reducing critical damage by HALF in the Lindvior update? And in that same update daggers got their Critical Tatics/etc buffs and boost in their passives that made them bleeping strong and top class for a long time
Were were you we ranged skills got nerfed from 1110 range to 900 range? And in the same time archers jump got nerfed from 800/600 to 600/400?

I know were you were. You were playing other classes cause archers sucked. And only recently you made an archer.

you cant make a list of archers boost that's 1/10 of the size of the nerfs i just mentioned.

"4RcH3Rs hAv3 be3N tHe B3sT cL4Ss iN aLl cHrOnICL3"
gtfo freaking noob.

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back 3 weeks after and good to see everyone still very unhappy with this except, ofc, the 1% and the usual "YoU cAn cR1t 90% oF tHe TiMe" challenged.

to the ones saying all we need is +20 the skills for Focus, please, send us the chapter 1 mastery books or STFU

[Have you an idea how much time need to do a critical by archer? DID YOU TEST IT?]

DONT listen to any m* here that claims that

"YoU cAn EZ rEaCH 95% sKiLl cRiTiCaL cHaNcE"
"aRcHer gEaR iS 10x cHEaP3r tHaN FeoHHH"

My post with complete explanations and calculations PLUS official tests from 4game: https://forums.lineage2.com/topic/20113-archer-nerf-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=136319
 

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For the sake of the exalted archers (76 DEX 9.5%):

Superior Critical Arrow: 10% + AP: 10% = 20% total increase bonus
9.5% * 1.2 = 11.4% Skill critical rate.

LMAO. 1 out of 10 mobs on an aoe if lucky enough to hit that many on places like blazing swamp. And that's if they are smart enough to choose the correct AP's in the first place.

My own results with 97 DEX, Lv8 Hunter (+13%), PoM (+25%), +8 Cancer(+8%), AP (+10%)and passive archer skill (+10%)

Here's a russian GM video trying to minimize the nerf using top end gear(LMAO): https://youtu.be/QioNkB98FpA
And heres a real world video made by me showing real world gear on same target as the above video PLUS open world mobs same level as me: https://youtu.be/tgrzBS_6kQc
 

As you can see, GM crap video represents NOTHING from what really happens with real players.

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5 minutes ago, Dojigiri said:

mmmmm. NOOOOOOOOOOOO. cancel your subscription and withdraw if you don't like it and spend your money on other things that make you more fun.

Already did that ^^

Gl for who stays haha

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Removal of archer nerf???

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1 minute ago, voo said:

I think most misunderstand.  how many players got leveled by yul?  this nerf hurts entire playerbase that plays in party like in ketra/varka.  its the game retarding the progress and thus hoping for more money.  like always...but most players like parties in this game...it is what this game should be about...so as a game producer, lets nerf the aoe toons.  spend more money.

Yes. Haters think they can come here to ask for more nerf but when they'll get in a party to REALLY lvl up they will feel the it. Haha

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2 hours ago, Slycutter said:

I honestly dont think I was ever pked by Daik0n even when nova was trying to Gludio for us with their alt clan for 8 months many many moons ago lol

I only pk the sieges pets that tag for siege day and detag for the next two weeks thinking nothing will happen to them OR anyone who PK me in first place.

Anyway, if @Juji is thinking on keeping this nerf is OKAY.

In the same way he think they can double the time I qnd 98% of the archers need to kill mobs I can simply pull the money out and stop spend it on other, way more worth games.

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6 minutes ago, TheWarLord said:

YOU DESERVE THAT NERF  DAIK0N ..... FOR ALL PK's YOU HAD TAKE ALL THAT TIME FOR THE SPOTS .....   GOOD JOB NCSOFT FOR NERF THIS TRUSH  DAIK0N

Oh im gonna login every night now to PK the hell out of you again. Thx for reminding me ^^

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You realize feoh is capped at 33%. Archers had 10%, now 5%. As you're bad at math, stuff like PoM that increase 25% critical chance, its 25% of 10%( total12.5%), not 35%. Now PoM boosts from 5% to 6.25%.

15 hours ago, TDxDan said:

Also give Feohs a Lethal Skill like Pinpoint. just to Balance it out you know <3 

How about all my atack skills also give debuffs like all Feoh skills.I also want Mana barrier.
 

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1 hour ago, TDxDan said:

you do realize Yuls before this nerf could SOLO "1 DD with supports" Varka 2 spots on their own. yeah with decent items but thats what its all about. nobody talks about blazing swamp. 
before patch update Yuls used to kill 3 spots in FoS Dragon spot cause Yuls can go 100% Skill Crit Rate and 1shot each spot whilst Feoh Mage Crit rate is at max 33.4% 

So you Yuls complaining about 5% nerf on your AoE Skills is still a joke nerf compared to what Feohs are capped at. 

You pointing out that the other person is talking about Blazing swamp cause theres no other place to kill 3 spots clearly shows your the newbie here  

well you cant read right? can you? he said 3 spots >>>AFK<<<
Baaaaack updates ago when FoS had dragons spots near each other, not only archers could do that, LIVE, but also Feohs. Any stacked Tyr can do the same. I dont know what server you from but I think your dont pay very much attention around.

Again, you are all thinking stacked archers represent how the class is strong.
You are mad at archer because of the Multiple Arrow area of effect. Tell me how do you wanted it to me? Hit nothing?

Do you know Gicobbe? Tyr Duelist? He solo everywhere. Swamp, Varka/Ketra, Toi. By your logic we should nerf Tyr's also right?
Have you seen Gicobbe in sieges?! Taking down Rank 1 archer, top 10 archers?! Here's a fresh video for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI5JoWHF47I

Have you seen Tevas killing in ketra? he 1,2 shots the mobs there. Daggers with way less powerful daggers can do the same. Lets nerf daggers too?

When you'll learn its not the class, its the items?

@Slycutter have no idea who he is.. he's so clueless he probably doesn't even play l2 anymore.

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1 hour ago, Methodical said:

@Daik0n dear friend,

first of all, yul had an absurd boost years ago in which with 1 aoe could whipe entire clan in siege

name this absurd boost please.

I said and I repeat, you all are mistaking archers with overpowered items with an "overpowered" class.
I believe none of you participate in sieges right?

Have you ever faced a stacked Tyr, Feoh, Dagger?
You never seen an dagger clear the surroundings with Barrage of Nails? Probably not right?

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It's incredible the envy of ppl coming here to complain about archer complaning about this nerf.

No archer came to complain when all mobs got their m.def reduced by 25% recently. Or how Eviscerators/Maestros got 30% lethal on regular hits.
Neither when Tyr's got their latest boost.

And btw, over the all these I have created than one character of each class. I've played them all. All are fun to play and all can level fast with good gear. Something you noobs dont understand and take well geared archer as an overpowered class.

And there you go you noob:

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11 minutes ago, Whatif said:

You guys are probably new to the game )) Class ANY class is being nerfed at some point in time. usually, there is 6 months timeframe for the class to dominate in-game. Then it goes down. It applies to ANY class not matter is YUL or Spoiler or feoh or Tyr.  So, yah someone got nerfed someone got boosted. Stop cry deal with it and wait for next boost for the class. Or you can always just do a reroll )) Ya know ? Or just stick to your class and enjoy the ride as it given to ya. 

No.

I play archer, the same archer, since 2006. I've seen countless nerfs to archer class over all these years. Never a significant boost. Only the removal of few previous nerfs, once in a while.

This base critical chance nerf reduced in 50% the critical chance. That also makes any buff/item/skill enchant 1/2 as effective.

Meaning we are taking 2x the time, or more, to kill than before. The game is not easy to start with. XP is crap. And now we have to do it in double the time?

No.

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NC West selling strategy is to create exclusivity.

Instead of selling their virtual items at a fair price, that would lead to hugely increased amount of lower value transactions(and gameplay balance), they want fewer customers(that can) to pay really high at a very fewer amount of transactions.

In that way they can keep those rich customers because they want to keep being better the rest of the playerbase. And also wont flood the server with overpowered items.

If they do a sale with cheap prices the server may get saturated with items, making the consequent sales sell less because most will already have those items. Making them having to create new items more often, which costs them money for development.

Until Juji gets replaced we wont see changes. We need a new producer with different selling strategy. There's a billion examples that show that selling cheap in large quantities increases more the revenue than selling expensive in lower quantities for a small select group of customers.
And we're talking about virtual items here.. that can be created out of thin air.

From Google:

ex·clu·siv·i·ty

/ˌeksklo͞oˈsivədē/

noun

noun: exclusivity; plural noun: exclusivities

1. 1.

    ...
2. 2. 

   ...
3. 3.

   the state of catering for or being affordable by only a few, select customers.

   "the hotel's emphasis is on exclusivity and luxury"

    

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I feel your pain. Lets all keep pushing to revert this nerf.

This nerf is not present in Korea, only the royalty versions of the game(Russia/Europe), which is not our case. NC West is driven by Korea.

@Juji why did you apply this non sense nerf that is not even supposed to be applied here??

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Yes my dear archer friend. They cut out our aoe BASE chance from 10% to 5%. A 50% reduction.

That means that before you would critical hit 1 mob out of 10 in an AOE. Now, you're most likely to not critical at all!

And all the buffs/items/skill enchantents that increase the critical chance are less effective because they boost the base chance that got nerfed.

[Archer now very slow to kill groups, changed in Single Target?]

7 hours ago, XXCatania_EtnaXX said:

what's going on? the speed is impressive slower that i need to kill some mobs of group, plus the exp is very very very annoying and i think ill do only dailies.

I'll stay macro exp Only when u will increase boosts and pt bonus. and maybe ill buy goodies then on l2store during exp.

For the moment i cancel subscription Prestige coz is totally wasted and useless, and i save even my elettricy bills.

Yes. They cut the base critical chance of AOE's in half. From 10% to 5%.
This means that out a group of 10 mobs you were doing ONE critical in average before, now you're most times wont do any critical at all!
You will XP 2x or more slower than before.

 

3 hours ago, TDxDan said:

was about time Yuls get a little nerf. yes i consider this Little cause u only lose 5%, imagine Feohs Magic Crit rate is capped at 33.4%. whilst Yuls with items crit 100%. so this 5% is a start. hopefully more nerfs will come to Yul or a Balance to Feohs. Cause i dont enjoy getting 1hit by Yul Pinpoint shot in Oly

hahahahahahah... dear Lord. listen to Slycutter and go learn some math.

And not only that, all other buffs/items/skill enchantment that boost critical chance are way less effective now with this base chance nerf.

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8 hours ago, Ambicija said:

Why archer can farm 3 spots (afk) - feo no? Archer making 3 times more dmg - because archer triangle dmg - feo - circlet. Feo have crit dmg cap 33%.

All dd - in pve must to make the same dmg - but maybe in different way!

 

For starters, my terrible English friend, Blazing swamp does not represent what we are talking about. Blazing swamp is, in the worst case, the 1st week of gameplay.
At Blazing you will find many alts of old players leveling mentees and new players that have friends that already play for a while with gear way better than exalted crap, plus other things like artifacts, jewels, etc. So your perception of archers making more damage is completely wrong. ANY WELL EQUIPPED CHARACTER CAN LEVEL FAST.

And how I know you're talking about Blazing swamp? Because you say archer can take 3 spots AFK(LMAO). No middle game areas allow to anyone afk take 3 spots, barely 2 when live.

You complain about archer Multiple Arrow area of effect cause, because in your opinion, its better than Feoh's AOE. But later on you say all dd's must do same dmg in pve, but in different way. hahaha.. make you mind pal. make your mind!
Multiple Arrow only hits mobs that are in the same height as the player, if they are higher or lower, it acts as a single target skill and hit only your target.

And heck, all mobs in the game recently had their m.def reduced by 25%. If your feoh cant kill fast, the problem is you

And this game is all about gearing up, NO CHARACTER IS EQUAL TO ANOTHER. The more/best gear you have, the more damage you do. You wanting everyone to do same damage is just silly.

If you are pissed cause you're easy kill for archers with better gear than you, and you think archers are overpowered, you know NOTHING about L2.

 

3 hours ago, TDxDan said:

welcome to the Normal gameplay of L2. this is what the game is for majority of Classes. Archers had the good run for the last few years. Thats why 98% of server played Archer cause they had the superior DD role benefits handed to them whilst every other Class simple had to Endure it! 

All archer are getting in the last few years are nerfs after more nerfs. And you and the rest of the newbies are all mistaking archers with overpowered items with an overpowered class.

Superior DD role benefits handled to archers? Please, please! Tell me what are those superior benefits!

And If you don't know, the endgame XP is all done in party areas now. Most dd's are archers. If you ever want to go over 110, good luck now with all parties killing slower because of this nerf that you're think it's making things even
How you're enjoying this nerf now?

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19 hours ago, Ambicija said:

Archer feature:

Range (bigest of all)

Stun

Strong 1 target skill atack

Hide

Crit dmg - its feature for dark elfes. But its not mean that DE archer must to make 3x more dmg then other (plius this dmg range type). This what we have last 2-3 years - was Korea developers mistake (i say many times - they low IQ and nots undestand what making). 1000+ people stop play for that - invest many $ in acc - and in the end see 0 dmg - if not archer.

 

 

Wut? You ppl dont get embarrassed saying stuff without knowing anything??

Archer range got nerfed from 1100 tp 800. So did the jump skills. Got nerfed from 800>600 and 650>450.

Every class can stun, even aoe stun like every tyr and storm screamers. Even eviscerators got 600 range stun with low reuse. Archer has a single target stun.

Pin point is not even close to be the strongest skill. Tyrs/eviscerators have skills way stronger than archers that also ignore p.def. Have you ever read any skill description???

Archer hide is the worst crap ever, and another skill that already got nerfed years ago. Before was 2.5min reuse affected by reuse modifiers but got nerfed into a fixed 5min reuse, -100 speed and you cant do any action while in hide or you lose the effect.

Dagger's hide remove all their debuffs, has faster reuse and you can do everything but attack that you wont lose the effect.

Now GTFO back to your illegal server before trying to say non sense crap here.

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btw why did we get this nerf that only went to the royalty versions? @Juji thats not even present on korea

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1 hour ago, J03 said:

Its funny to see all these people with top gear complaining so much when people that dont have a big wallet actualy cant do even half of what you guys do, so... you are back to where you belong, archers had too much power and this was a way to balance things a bit, but still you do 200x more dmg than normal people, and still queep QQing.

all other classes dont do half of what archers do, but still they dont get boosted, and you loose a bit of power and you complain more and more, its just a taste to see what other people felt for year. 

nice punch in the stomach

you kill 10 mobs when other people kill one, and still... complain... i think its enough, finnaly that is over

(actually isnt over, but you guys want more power because you lost a bit of dmg QQ)

 

top gear? haha.. you have no clue of what top gear is. the ones with top gear are not complaining, little pal

what is it with ppl that choose melee classes without aoe that want nobody else to aoe? want nobody to kill from range?
melee classes are too strong on single target, need to be nerfed hard
re-roll archer/nuker, girl.

 

58 minutes ago, Anything said:

The nerf was actually not that bad as long you have a certain amount / certain types of gear.

You also need to adjust your skill enchant route to cover for a bit.

This "nerf" was not nearly as bad as the amputation the summoners received back in the days where the once top class was made the absolute bottom class so be happy they didn't do their worst on this one.
My archer i play is still pretty damn good overall, still much more effective then my melee and nuker so i still enjoy mine.

TLDR: make a few adjustments and you only loose a little bit of power, nothing extreme.

if you have a dragon bow, several +10 artifacts, +++greater cancer, plus other toys.. yeah, the nerf wasnt that bad. like for a dozen archers around that got this gear.
summoners? tell me about this amputation. went from 4 to 2 summons in few months after GoD, but the panthers got stronger. then they received even stronger summons(cats/ponys/specters). then they have been receiving boosts since. they got the activation buff on pets and that got boosted 3 times so far. the only "issue" with summoner is that the status from the overpowered items introduced overtime don't direct transfer to them, but they do get transferred.

[Since we're on the topic of nerfs...]

another little guy that come asking to nerf the other class he does not play. another one jealous of archers skills.

he calls using one skill and then another an "exploit" hahaahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

every single class has a way to jump to/immobilize/pull another character. stop crying and go learn to play

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38 minutes ago, iHyperlite said:

Yuls complaining about a nerf... 

As a melee with no aoe, I just say lol.

Welcome to the same (and most likely faster) xp than the rest of us have.

so you pick a class without aoe skills and want other classes to not be able to aoe? hahahaha
you're so small

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1 hour ago, Slycutter said:

Archers were nerfed for years why i stopped playing one consistently for awhile only last 2 - 3 years they had all their stupid nerfs removed to make viable again because of complaints from Koreans playing the game because majority play archers.  Also this nerf is not used on the Korean servers.... wonder why?

Also cannot compare use to Innova or Core because their levels and gear are much higher on average than us. Wow you people are dense.

mixa is the forum clown, just ignore him. too bad theres not a block feature in the forums.

out of 12 mobs getting hit by AOE im getting 0 to 3 criticals, rare 5. Before I was getting from 3~10. Non critical skill dmg is shitty, kills nothing.

And just to remember. At least for me and 98% of the server: AOE critical is not 1 shooting mobs.