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I leveled my SPS in C2 with an OL and SE. My "for fun" budget didn't have room for a fourth account but I agree a BD would of been lovely.

Braw I AFK in town with CoV!!1

Yeah something is borked my real life friend here in Texas can't create an account. Got the same error listed above until the error changed to exceeded allowed number of attempts account creation disabled temporarily for security reasons. well roughly something of that manner. He could of gotten the specific wording somewhat wrong.

Oh that's what happened then. I tested last year around Oct and steal essence was always a net loss in MP with shots and caster gear. The only way I was able to gain MP at a decent rate was to melee with battle cry and shots. I did some testing today and it gained some MP back every 3 or 4 casts of SE. Which with shots is enough to sustain SE spam now.

Yeah I was wondering if they reverted drops to the original super nerfed rate/amount that existed when the server was first opened. It wouldn't be the first time they gave us the old drop rate instead of the newer old drop rate..

My SK went doom for full tanking into nightmare. Depending on where you're leveling, party composition and gearing of party members a SK can use Blue wolf while tanking. My lowbie group's SK is using blue wolf right now as it's party is top b grade and they are leveling in an area where they are 1 level or more higher than the monsters they are fighting. Not a good idea to use BW if you're fighting stuff at or above your level and with a gear deficit. Doom is the safe choice. Destroyer will be Blue wolf into Tallum. I used plated leather into the 70s on my destroyer because B grade was rare back then. They have so much HP the lower pdef using plated leather wasn't an issue. BW heavy should be cheaper than plated leather now. The big gains in patk come every 10 str. I bought the avadon stuff on the giran market. The price is probably pretty much the same as doom/bw.

I love (serioussarcasm) how I have to buy a brooch via L2coin because I leveled up prior to the brooch quest being added. I went back to try to get it and I can't because level cap My lowbie parties all have brooches and can use jewels....

One could argue that DOOm is good for SK because it already has plenty of STR and it's con is the part it's lacking. The hold and sleep resist was far more useful for me in PVE. The avadon heavy set has noticeably less pdef in comparison to doom. There are some very good reasons why people use doom for scenarios where they are tanking damage (PVE and PVP).. I had to buy the helmets.

Ah I've seen bare BOPs for 7m while looking for other things. They aren't a common sight though.

Then the price should be much cheaper as I've been seeing top B grade (excluding mage weapons) for 5-7m. I figured TI because prices tend to be noticeably higher there for them.

Avadon has always been a hard set to complete in this version of classic. It took me a very long time of checking every single day multiple times a day before I finally found a helmet. I imagine the odds are even worse now. Most people go for doom or blue wolf at that level. I've personally sold several BW helms over the last couple weeks (one doom too).

With that statement of b grade weapon price I can tell you're playing on TI. Infinite quivers weren't in classic originally. They were added well after the fact as part of an event that everyone could play. I got my quivers through those events. You can buy them with L2coins which you gather while leveling. I agree with the vast majority of your post. THis version of classic has a much lower drop rate than the other versions including the original classic. It's been a common complaint since day one. That's why there are so many lowbie bots/afk groups running because it's the only way to afford shots realistically on your mains..

If this is true then it must of been a relatively recent change. When I last tested it there was NO mp regen until I activated battlecry on my fully skilled 78 doomcryer. THe passive also didn't say anything about mp recovery from damage. When I activated battlecry I experienced the kind of mp recovery you mentioned as she was able to be full MP fairly quickly after a full round of buffs.

Nope doesn't happen on NA classic. My classic doomcryer only gets mp back when using battlecry. I meant doomcryer my dominator is on live and for whatever reason I went DOminator. That was one of the things that surprised me when I leveled up my warcryer. Cause I remembered the last time I had leveled my overlord (around GoD time) I could just spam ES. When I FIRST leveled the overlord I used a dagger because ES wasn't really a thing yet or the mp recovery didn't exist yet. I can't really remember specifically because that was 16 years ago.. EDIT : I keep wanting to call it soul cry too argh EDIT 2 : Was this a recent change because I haven't tested it in a few months.

Do they really get that as a passive on classic? My Doomcryer only gets mana back on damage when it's using battle cry. I admit I haven't looked at the weapon mastery passive since she was a warcryer. According to l2wiki it's a third class thing. EDIT : I see l2wiki has it listed as a "chance" which would make sense as "chance" in this game means like 5%...

I'm still not sure what they are trying to accomplish with the cloth stuff. I thought at first it was an attempt at limiting the usage of A grade to keep B grade gear prices afloat but that's not been a thing for a month now at least. B grade prices have already cratered and even sealed A grade stuff is cheap now. The only thing preventing more usage of A grade is the cloth cost. Also a grade weapon runes requiring 100something a grade gems isn't helping either (love how they SIGNIFICANTLY upped the required number a while back AFTER all the botters got their weapons)...

Whole drops being sold by others. B grade prices have basically crashed.

Yeah I don't blame you and not everyone has a background in programming/IT. As you can see in my above post I was one of those people running multiple parties so my mains can afford to use some shots. I stopped that because I was finally able to afford shots on my main group but after today I'm going to be back running multiple parties to afford shots on some of my mains.

To constantly check every IP being used and to cross reference it while refusing service to duplicate IPs would require some massive work on the backend. Considering Ncsoft is barely putting any developers on classic as is that would mean absolutely no bug fixes or anything resembling content for the next six months to year. THis would also increase backend requirements resulting in more lag and connection issues as I doubt NCsoft would be willing to upgrade the server power just for IP checking. There are many reasons why people who aren't even in the same household would appear to be playing under the same IP at the game server. This is common for dorms/condos/apartment complexes/internet providers/whole sections of cities. RIP anyone using a VPN service to improve their pings/connection to the game server. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation Meanwhile I could get around it with minimal effort as I'd just have to pull out of mothball some SFF i5 based business machines I bought off ebay for under $80 delivered. A few minutes per machine and all my accounts will appear to be connecting from different IPs. Botters wouldn't even have to put any real effort in to defeat that. It's a costly idea that does nothing but hurt the legit players...

The problem is that the effort to get hard numbers is beyond anything anyone is really willing to do. You would need two groups (one with max VIP and one with the VIP mix) with the exact same everything in the exact same area killing the exact same number of monsters. You would need to count the number and type of every monster killed and do so until you have at least 10,000 monsters killed each in order to get something statistically relevant. A lot of the drops in this game are like 0.1-0.05% so you need A HUUGE sample size.

L2 essence on 4game is even worse than classic with the dumb design decisions. not worth your time. You can play without a CP if you make your own CP. It's a waste of time to level a dwarf for spoiling or crafting. The vast majority of what they spoil is worthless and you can't really craft anything of value anymore. Based on my key mat sales basically only a few types of armor is being crafted anymore and it seems only a few people even bother with that. Last I knew there was no hard level cap. There doesn't need to be a hard level cap simply because you'll level too high to gain xp off the current monsters AND the xp curve is more of a vertical wall in the mid 80s. I have nothing else to add to the previous answers.

Well my feedback is simple. The changes allowed me to level my mains properly for the first time since they were lowbies. I was stuck in an area below my level because I could not afford to run shots on my dps. So I settled for sub par exp for over half a year simply because of my inability to afford shots while having a desire to get some A grade armor (I'm still using mostly B armor and all B or c grade weapons due to cloth costs). Without shots the monsters in my level range hit too hard to farm. With shots they still hit hard but they don't get in nearly as many hits so the monster's damage doesn't matter nearly as much. My main accounts even have a low level farm group on them because it felt like my mains hit a wall with b gear and an inability to afford cloth for A grade gear. Not to mention the cost of applying a rune on an A grade weapon was ridiculous. Since I couldn't get anywhere on the mains I made a full on alt group to farm on the main accounts too for adena in the hopes to get some a grade armor. I had a silly notion that maybe just maybe if I got my tank into A-grade I would suddenly be able to run stuff my level. That didn't work because the damage taken by the tank ended up basically being the same... Turns out the best tank in this game's PVE is lots of dps while the tank runs in a circle trying to avoid getting hit. It's stupid. Hell honestly my Titan is a better tank than the real tanks simply because it has 2x the HP and very similar pdef without self skills. It always has guts and immortal for when things go really sideways. If I want to continue leveling in the level appropriate area for my mains after the regression I'm going to need to fire up two of the lowbie parties to pay for the shots. Its utterly stupid that I have to run 9-18 extra accounts just so my main accounts can use shots. It's the big driver of all the lowbie bots and it's harmful to the health of the game. Seriously I have three different full 9 man groups worth of alts on my 20 accounts (including the main accounts) just for farming adena. I damned near expanded to 29 so I could run 3 sets of lowbies for adena. The lowbie groups are 5x, 6x and now 7x.. I have 9 desktops from the early days of classic when repeating macros weren't a thing. I used those 9 desktops and 9 USB numpads to level up until repeating macros were added. 6 of the desktops are i5 SFF machines that use less than 90 watts with 5 L2 clients. Ebay for under $90 ea delivered. Personally I would put the adena drop rate/amount to a bit below what it was during the "test". Something along the lines of what the other classics got as shown on L2wiki. That would allow for me to continue to level properly without being forced to afk macro/bot multiple low level parties for shot money. NCsoft decoupled shot cost from market pressures so you need to adjust adena drop to account for that reality. The XP boost is nice but when you hit 79+ the amount of xp required is so huge even with the boost it's a very slow process. EDIT : These are the things that drove all but one of my in game friends to quit this game. The stingy drops the poor planning of changes and the destruction of the dwarfs were the leading drivers behind all of them quitting.

Yes that's one of the theories. Once again no extensive testing has been done to prove it or not.

For the first time in the entire existence of classic my main group is farming more adena per hour than my lowbie group. This means I can actually use shots on my mains and I can stop running the lowbie group. Since I can use shots on ALL my DPS (real dps excluding sws/wc/bd) the hard hitting nature of the 8x mobs is nullified a good amount. It's been amazing and I dread the return to the old rates. The current adena drop rate/amount is close (a bit more in drop amount average) to what the other official classic versions had/have. For whatever reason NcSoft severely nerfed the adena drop rate/amount for the NA classic server. This was something that people were angry about from day one of classic.

You should get the skill back once you level up to the appropriate level.