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Just because you don't have any standards and can't stand up for yourself doesn't mean everyone will be that submissive. Thankfully people are better than that or the world would be a much worse place. This isn't even a controversy. When the patch notes and timer say you have 4 HOURS to turn in event items a REASONABLE person would expect 4 hours to do so.

In 30 years of gaming this current event is hands down the worst I have ever seen. From the false advertising to needless turn in time frames, to not meeting time zone standards, to the fact you have to spam click and hope you get some reward (last turn in I didn't know what was going on and it only lasted a few minutes which I barely got anything). These responses are NOT just opinions or people trying to be negative. They are stating core facts that OTHER companies even Indie and P2W and notoriously bad companies don't even do this. I mean seriously what's next? Events where only 4 people win and they are required to have made 2 or more purchases during the event? This even is a self destructive nightmare with NO BENEFIT to the company and ONLY NEGATIVE aspects. I didn't think it would even be possible to fail this hard.

That is true, but isn't the history essentially using these same business practices for over an entire decade now? I think the only entertainment is to see how low and egregious a company can be. In the past companies have released P2W, Poor Content, Faulty Products, Gotchas's, No notice shut downs, and now NFT's. I have all that, what I come here for is to look into the future on what the next scam will be. Turns you can just ruin what are supposed to be beneficial events. With things like applying high costs to RNG (prior event) which newer players often won't be able to afford or risk. So I was like damn that's a pretty low blow. But then, as usual the crystal ball appears!!!!! And I am yet again going wow, limit the turn in period? Then I actually looked at some of the items I was getting.......... lol.......... what? the event is over? Blatant false advertising and not even adhering to basic event rules that cost the company nothing? The only value here is to appreciate other horrible companies because relatively they are just not AS BAD.

Do you really believe that? I tried to start playing again, but all this event tells me if leave this sinking ship. WHY should I ever play this game? The ONLY positive thing I get out of it is more appreciation for OTHER game companies.

Yes this event is an absolute disgrace. I could not list a single company out of 1,000's that does a worse job at literally everything. NCSoft dares it's customers to quit and spits in their face on a regular basis. It's a shame the industry is so bad that recently released games don't even function so there isn't much available on the market. While this is a major failure by the company that in OTHER companies would have been fixed immediately it's also the communities fault. Anyone paying for this game is STILL giving the company a green light to never change or care.

That common faulty narrative by many companies is always immediately dismantled by intelligence. I have witnessed companies trying to "make things tougher" on many occasions. While the reality is virtually every single cash shop has THE EXACT OPPOSITE objective. If you want the game to be "more difficult" remove the cash shop benefits.

The solution has been enacted in many newer games. "Buffer" classes simply need to NOT EXIST. There is no real benefit to them and it will always lead to negative aspects. It's also a HUGE RELIEF to just play a single class which is PROPERLY DESIGNED TO BE SELF SUFFICIENT in other games.

I think the term for this is "you played yoself". If they where foolish enough to buy NCoin don't they kind of get what they deserve? I mean the entire business model is a predatory mess with absolutely no regard for customers or the future of the game. To participate in such a system is to contribute to it and to accept a high level of gambling. It's kind of justice. They wanted to ruin the game experience for everyone else for personal gains, but instead they get dumped on.

If you are weak and just roll over. If you put in no effort. If you simply accept it. Then yes nothing will change because you do nothing to enact or enable that change. However, if you make a stand and put forth effort you can be the catalyst for change.

It's the Internet brah, I know this guy that spent 16 trillion dollars on an item. Regardless of the few historical outliers the fact remains that THEIR REVENUE is dependent on the TOTAL SPENDING not just whales. By Mumbo Jumbo you mean historical proven and recorded facts like the Allods issue Btw if you use an ounce of intelligence you can automatically call BS on claims of spending $100,000. While it certainly has happened, intelligence will supersede it. Intelligence tells you claims that are statistically unlikely and thus you can assume it's a lie and be right probably 99.999% in a case that extreme. The idea that everyone is just popping off spending $100,000 might work in your social circles, but amongst adults they will just appropriately rolls their eyes and say SUURRREEEE.

History demonstrates your information IS NOT CORRECT. Lets objectively test your claim "this will never work". It's poorly stated because ANY single example would automatically ruin your entire premise. However, for the sake of discussion lets PROVE YOU WRONG. In the case of Allods the CUSTOMERS revolted and forced the entire cash shop to lower their prices. In accordance to you this isn't possible. Remember, it will NEVER work. Any other examples of this (there are many) are simply not possible in accordance to you. Thus what can easily be concluded is your statement is false. You could correctly say it doesn't often happen, but that also ruins your premise. Because one of the things you are trying to imply is that it's futile and there is no use trying. When again, FACTUALLY we know that isn't correct. So stop being part of the Problem and start being part of the Solution. Help advocate and educate for a better game environment. And also stop dumping old propaganda such as all the income is from rich whales. That's just a pathetic excuse for spenders to justify their actions and try to avoid the blame they deserve.

WRONG. That answer is not acceptable. While each individual has the right to do as they wish, the CONSEQUENCES of THEIR actions WILL EFFECT EVERYONE. Also /leave is a FAILURE for the person making the purchases. Virtually NO ONE wants to play a dead MMO. Spenders in these predatory games are only acting selfishly for their own personal temporary games. While at the same time destroying their own games and future games. THE MAJORITY of these spenders also regret it later.

That's a fake talking point. Everyone likes to claim "their money doesn't count". It's a way of trying to shift responsibility onto someone else. Even people who spend $1,000's just blame people spending more. That way EVERYONE can shift blame and responsibility onto the top 5 spenders lol. That's simply NOT THE CASE. Everyone contributing ANY amount to such egregious companies is contributing the problem.

Not many games do this in the same manner. It's often used for financial reasons, but the way Lineage II is going about it is just plain wrong. For example in BDO content was drip released so they could do continual updates even though content was already complete or even released in other regions. However, everyone ended up with the same content. Lineage II is actually the ONLY game I have ever seen that runs completely different versions of the game. Aside from minor differences like Signapore/EU/NA/Korean versions being slightly different by region.

My recommendation would be for you to quit immediately as that issue has been ongoing for 17 years straight. The original version of the game was a complete bot infestation and it was NEVER resolved, not even close. The result years later was the "live servers" just allowing everyone to bot. You should know this is a community issue. A LARGE portion potentially over 1 MILLION gamers are willing to cheat in any game they can. What you can do is try to fortify yourself against it. Don't allow discussion on discord, remove players from clans that cheat. Even admitting to cheat in other games should be enough grounds for a removal. You need to stigmatize this as cheaters are not welcome.

The market should be accessible from anywhere. Especially in a game designed around auto game play.

You act like "everyone will just be a sucker and click the take my money option". This is not the case for the MAJORITY of gamers. They simply know better and will not allow companies to manipulate them in such a manner. What you are doing is harmful to the entire gaming genre and yourself. What do you think that money is even going towards anyway? Lineage II has been dead for over a decade. Newer games are releasing actual content on a regular basis. I would ask you to think more carefully about your spending practices and the long term consquences. Do you want more players? More content? Better Content? More game development instead of marketing?

I have a proposed solution for you. It's simple and only requires 1 step. Don't purchase anything. Thus, the problems which you mention (which are a real problem) will be far less of a concern. If this requires you to change your spending behavior or how you play the game, so be it. Be part of the Solution not the problem.

How would Additional Versions have affected some of the best MMO's in history? World of Warcraft Asheron's Call Everquest Runescape Black Desert Online Ultima Ragnarok No matter which game lets apply the "Aden effect" to it. By definition you would need to start over or simply lose content. When specific events are created for a single version a large portion of the player base loses out for no reason. The right answer is 1 Single Global Version. That all regions and servers have the same content and release dates. EXAMPLE: Developers took time to revamp areas like the cemetery for Aden. However, you will NOT experience that content on other servers. EXAMPLE: Development time was used to customize stats, drops etc for Aden. None of that matters to customers not participating on that server. Now apply it to a classic game like Everquest. Start breaking up the content so ONLY SPECIFIC servers have that content. It's objectively worse for the entire community and exclusionary. Exception: Only rare exceptions should apply such as Classic servers. Which should not be creating unique content for only those servers. All of those games would just be worse off by fragmenting their content into multiple versions.

Regulations will certainly help, but that won't resolve the main issue. Even if you removed all forms of gambling in Lineage II the structure is still designed to FORCE YOU TO FAIL unless you pay money. The regulation will just lead to companies using alternative methods to achieve the same results. The real issue needs to be fixed: People funding these business practices for petty personal gains which harm everyone. I was proud to purchase some products like Grim Dawn and many others for example. A more fair transaction where I feel my money is helping contribute to something good. People also fail to understand the business model. You DO NOT NEED to give ANY of these companies $100+ a month. If they are running the business correctly they should have SO MANY CUSTOMERS that $15 a month is more than enough.

You missed the trap. When you give them $10 or $20 they will push you to $50. If you give $50 they want $200. If you give $200 they want $1,000. You're just a sucker no matter what. That is the business model. To get every penny possible and to push you as hard as possible. No respect, no honor, no thanks. You're just a current sucker.

I stopped playing right before the game went free to play. EVERYONE suggested to stay away from it. I was told it was completely P2W and not worth ever coming back. So I have a relatively new player experience now. One of the shocks was, where are all the drops? When I started to look up items I noticed this trend of not only was it convoluted, but it all lead to the cash shop. As in you don't even farm items in game you just literally buy everything. It was mind boggling how people even put up with this and how bad the situation is. I was used to predatory practices. Loot Boxes, directly buying power, a small amount of items giving stat boosts that didn't drop. However, Lineage II is hands down the WORST model I have ever seen. And that says a lot vs the entire market and with just how bad so many games are. It's even worse than mobile garbage. It's simply a burden to even try to play the game. Side Note: ALL of these companies need to hire actual qualified gamers to help the direction of the game. Sure they will load up Cash Shop Shenanigan's, but there are employees justifying their jobs just by providing overly complex trash systems everywhere. Literally everything could be simplified with a small amount of effort and foresight. EVERYTHING put into the game is just another road block for masses of consumers. And 95% is useless. Every single NPC and the upgrade options in this game are a complete mess. If you experienced the last decade of updates it's generally much easier, but even so there are just easier ways to do everything.

There is an easier way to make very accurate assessments. For example many games like Lineage II, BDO, Rappelz, had horribly unbalanced PVP, instant kills, and just bad design. Everyone asked for balancing for years. Here is the secret which applies here also. If they COULD do it, it would have already been done. Thus you can count on it being a failure indefinitely. It takes a miracle 1/MILLION chance like Final Fantasy to actually fix real problems. Thus you can count on failure and be right 999,999 out of a million times

That's not entirely true. It's a tough situation, but that doesn't mean there have not been victories. Archeage? The DEAD game that got buried with the stigma of P2W sent the game into it's grave. Allods Online had similar issues and had to revamp their entire shop. EU has been pushing regulation against loot boxes as well as other countries. The power resides in the consumers, they have the spice of life MONEY Spend wisely, educate, and help make the MMO market a better place. I don't think Final Fantasy is really P2W either. It is subscription but that certainly doesn't prevent P2W anymore. (WOW as an example). So if that's the case it would be good to see the #1 MMORPG isn't P2W.

The issue is THEY will win. However, the entire MMO community including those who pay will always in the end be the LOSER. You may get temporary gains in a game, but at a cost of the player base, future games, content, PVP, etc. You never really win by paying. Instead of getting CONTENT you will get a P2W EVENT. That's certainly not winning for anyone.