How to attract new players?

[Slou]

1 It is necessary to think over the WORKING SYSTEM of incentives for players who bring here their friends

2 It is necessary to encourage bloggers on YouTube who are blogging about Lineage 2( NCsoft servers)

3 We need to open new servers and then merge them ( Zaken's experience is unsuccessful? So what? Do not lose heart )

4 Your suggestions?

PS :There is such a magic word as "desire" so you have to desire and go forward

[Quitted]

Make only two servers.

1st server Pay to win one where truffle and peppinio and their pets can punch in credit card numbers x times x day with no mobs at all but dragons since many pets hadn't killed a single mob in their entire l2 experience.

2nd server subscription based one with mobs. Since the normal price for a monthly fee is 10$ but neutron/conguero is used to charge everything by 500% it could be 50$ x month.

In the first 3 months all players should be allowed to transfer from server 1 to server 2 with a little charge, lets say 5 $ x toon. After those first 3 months the transfer should be prohibited by any means to all.

[Slou]

21 minutes ago, Quitted said:

Make only two servers.

1st server Pay to win one where truffle and peppinio and their pets can punch in credit card numbers x times x day with no mobs at all but dragons since many pets hadn't killed a single mob in their entire l2 experience.

2nd server subscription based one with mobs. Since the normal price for a monthly fee is 10$ but neutron/conguero is used to charge everything by 500% it could be 50$ x month.

In the first 3 months all players should be allowed to transfer from server 1 to server 2 with a little charge, lets say 5 $ x toon. After those first 3 months the transfer should be prohibited by any means to all.

What you suggested is NOT DEVELOPMENT and NOT ATTRACTION
You suggested "what to do with a dead body" the topic is not about this

[Quitted]

Don't get me wrong but with 50 bucks a normal dude will buy a 2018 brand new mmo not a 2003 one.

All you can get is to look for returning players.

All of ncwest former customers are playing on skelth or ru classic.

Are you really asking to the ones that left the ncwest casino and are paying 10 $ x month to play l2 to return in the ncwest casino so they can be oneshotted by the first visawarrior passing by? It will never gonna happen.

I think this topic was meant to enlist the only way to save 2 dead servers freya and naia, and the next 3rd one chronos. If not I beg you pardon.

[Chrysty]

21 minutes ago, Quitted said:

Don't get me wrong but with 50 bucks a normal dude will buy a 2018 brand new mmo not a 2003 one.

All you can get is to look for returning players.

All of ncwest former customers are playing on skelth or ru classic.

Are you really asking to the ones that left the ncwest casino and are paying 10 $ x month to play l2 to return in the ncwest casino so they can be oneshotted by the first visawarrior passing by? It will never gonna happen.

I think this topic was meant to enlist the only way to save 2 dead servers freya and naia, and the next 3rd one chronos. If not I beg you pardon.

I agree with your monthly subscribtion and going out of l2store, i prefere this than a p2w system.
But for that you will need to start an other fresh server. You cannot transfert any toon on this server, even like you said the first month. Because this toon potentially have all actualy l2store items. That all others won't have.

Otherwise if you don't wanna start a fresh server you need to redesign all game to introduce a gameplay way to get all l2store items. If you don't and doing a fresh server, without any of l2store items, there is no more dimensional sieges. Since all this guy from this fresh server will be heavily handicaped against toons with l2store items.

 

There is too much work to do for that .. So it won't happens. Sadly.

[marw]

9 minutes ago, Chrysty said:

But for that you will need to start an other fresh server. You cannot transfert any toon on this server, even like you said the first month. Because this toon potentially have all actualy l2store items. That all others won't have.

Delete all p2w items from game and put monthly subscription  

[Quitted]

I don't think dim is really a must have to the real l2 players.

Imho the difference is between the ones who want to earn their salaries by working and the lazy ones who log in only to be paid.

Eg. https://eu.4gameforum.com/threads/656167/

All characters at the tournament server will get:

• Level 78
• B grade armor +6
• A grade armor +3
• Accessories B grade +6
• best B grade weapon +10

They will never do that in here. Too lazy and too greedy to do that in here.

It will be like giving to everyone on chronos lvl 104 + all dyes + all epic jewels +6 + a +10 armor and a +10 weapon.

They will never ever do that in here. I bet neutron/conguero will prefer to die than to do that in here.

Agreed on the second server wipe. Better to have a fresh, a really fresh start, than to have all of your 13 years old toons parked in an unused account, that I won't sell to anyone, because I don't want to place a mortcage on my house to play a videogame. If not, you can find me on tw 2 or skelth.

Have a nice day.

[Pleistoros]

Why would ncsoft open a new server...new server simply dont match with their curent business model.

Things will go like in Zaken: 3 months of good amount ppl and then sudden dead by NcStore. Yea I know, subscrition bla bla bla ..forget about it, not going to hapen.

[Quitted]

I think you are right pleist but for another reason.

The difference i've noticed between neutron/conguero and fragola is the difference between the monthly European salary and the weekly North American salary.

In europe if you log in once a week only to be paid on the Monday of the following week you do not have a job anymore. Since neutron/conguero doesn't care at all and are paid to do anything they won't do anything.

So all in all i'm spending my time in here for nothing

 

[Slou]

48 minutes ago, marw said:

Delete all p2w items from game and put monthly subscription  

2 strong things here that is not have on a competing resource:

1 - free boxes

2 - server transfer

You want to kill the first thing

I have a question for you and where to play the players who want to play for free ( I think many players want this )

9 minutes ago, Pleistoros said:

Why would ncsoft open a new server...new server simply dont match with their curent business model.

Things will go like in Zaken: 3 months of good amount ppl and then sudden dead by NcStore. Yea I know, subscrition bla bla bla ..forget about it, not going to hapen.

Opening a new server is a sign that the administration has not lowered its hands and is struggling for its resource - for new players

Why are you all pessimists ?

[marw]

2 minutes ago, Slou said:

I have a question for you and where to play the players who want to play for free ( I think many players want this )

There is nothing like play for free, it's p2w or subscription.

About business model, try check WoW. Monthly subscription and in game store are only cosmetic things. PS It works!

[Quitted]

Marw is right. If you are paying 10$ or 50$ that your bank sends into neutron's/conguero's pockets it isn't for free.

There are 2 economic models.

The players, like 20k players, pay 10$ x month elsewhere

The players, like 2k players, pay 100$x month ncwest. As soon as the 2k players will be 1.9k the 100$ will rise.

As stated above, and like pleist said, ncwest will never ever return to the monthly subscription since during the week they work barely enough so they can't be fired.

You'll see when sayha's talismans will be in the l2store since you will need to read what cm fragola wrote elsewhere to get a clue of what's going on.

 

[Oldgamer]

The only thing they sould try is a subscription only server and see how it goes.P2w win only servers is the ones we already have .

 

[Quitted]

Last thing then neutron/conguero aren't worth my time.

You don't have to underestimate ncwest greed. I have some alts of mine on naia. Since rs left naia to go to chronos, not all of them but the 90%, naia is a dead server with a dead market. If i compare a normal price on chronos with a normal price on naia for the very same item there's a 50% price overcharge, on everything.

It could be more profitable for ncwest to merge naia with freeia before salvation update so the players that have toons in there would have spent some bucks.

But no. They prefer to spill 50 bucks from 100 players so they can transfer to chronos. Hello andlet bro

With that kind of greed sorry bro but there will be no returning players. Never.

[Slou]

With such a system that exists today - with the p2w system, new players have a chance to catch up ( equipment and lvl)  the players who are playing 10 years here

Under the system of subscription,  no chances for new players, therefore they will not come here

Therefore, we must continue to follow the same path - p2w

[Pleistoros]

50 minutes ago, marw said:

There is nothing like play for free, it's p2w or subscription.

About business model, try check WoW. Monthly subscription and in game store are only cosmetic things. PS It works!

Check new/last EU Ramona server, I logged yday to check how many ppl are there and if worth to play....18:00-21:00 EU time there were 150-170 ish ppl in party. Conclusion is monthly subscription business model dont work as good as ppl imagine. Even Burgis left that server .

So, things can be improved a lot by taking few action:

-I would love to see our staff as active as CM Fragola

-Transfer price permanent discounted to 400 ncoin

-Increase the amount of adena that can be transfered from 7 bil to 70 bil

-Permanent discount 90% for: race change, race model, gender, main class and dual class.

So, as you see, nothing above must be aproved by devs from koreea...its up only to NcSoft West aka Hime, Neutron(I didnt forgot this time) and Conquero. They just need to care or want to change that .

I will state again..If we all will not ask same thing ...

[Helv]

It's quite funny, but at the same time sad that customers (players) seem to care more about the game's future than the product owners who actually profit from it. There have already been so many great ideas on this forum on how to improve/save L2 and from what we see it's been completely ignored.

Normally, companies hire consultants and pay a lot for such a great advice.

 

[marw]

11 minutes ago, Pleistoros said:

Check new/last EU Ramona server, I logged yday to check how many ppl are there and if worth to play....18:00-21:00 EU time there were 150-170 ish ppl in party. Conclusion is monthly subscription business model dont work as good as ppl imagine. Even Burgis left that server .

Ramona is p2w too (ingame store).

[Quitted]

Marw is right for the 3rd time in a row.

Ncwest salvation = Innova salvation -> differences tradable items all discounted by 500% i'm wondering why in europe everything cost the same as in the usa but l2

Then the things are to be said fair and square

Burgis = Beyond = Lithuanian l2 classic server = pay a monthly fee to play - 6k users no box allowed.

Lets be honest on this one.

Beeing said that skelth has an outrageous amount of players every single l2 classic private and official server has more players online, no boxed allowed, than all the ncwest servers summed up.

What could be the reason? Imho no one wants to be oneshotted by visawarriors. It's like doing a nascar race truffle with a mustang and you with a ford focus. Guess who may win since the very beginning. And hey it's very entertaining to be oneshotted you know.

 

[Pleistoros]

1 minute ago, marw said:

Ramona is p2w too (ingame store).

Innova have the closes severs to your need and still less and less ppl play there,

Best for you is to make your own hi5 server hosted in your home and play with few friends...

[Pleistoros]

6 minutes ago, Quitted said:

Marw is right for the 3rd time in a row.

Ncwest salvation = Innova salvation -> differences tradable items all discounted by 500% i'm wondering why in europe everything cost the same as in the usa but l2

Then the things are to be said fair and square

Burgis = Beyond = Lithuanian l2 classic server = pay a monthly fee to play - 6k users no box allowed.

Lets be honest on this one.

Beeing said that skelth has an outrageous amount of players every single l2 classic private and official server has more players online, no boxed allowed, than all the ncwest servers summed up.

What should be the reason? Imho no one wants to be oneshotted by visawarriors. Il like doing a nascar race truffle with a mustang and you with a ford focus. Guess who may win since the very beginning. And hey it's very entertaining to be oneshotted you know.

 

Players make real money there...thats why you see 6000 ppl on. And above all..its a private server...and who care about private servers?

Here:

Are private servers legal?

Lineage II is the exclusive intellectual property of NCsoft Corporation.
 It is protected by copyright law in the United States and throughout 
the world. Any unauthorized copying of the Lineage II software is a 
crime. Copyright law provides for severe civil and criminal penalties 
for the unauthorized reproduction or distribution of copyrighted 
material. This includes all Lineage II software and accompanying sounds,
 images, and text. Furthermore, use of Lineage II in any way constitutes
 your agreement to all terms and conditions of the User Agreement.

NCsoft actively and aggressively enforces its intellectual property 
rights. If you know of any private servers, please report them using the
 Ask a Question feature in our Support Center.

[Quitted]

Pleist bro the only reason ppl are still playing in here against all odds, with a lol support when there's a customers' support, it's only because the players, real folks with a rl, have invested too much time and money in here and they are scared to loose everything leaving this ship.

So they, for sure not you mate, are trying to defend a bunch of servers and their gms, which can't be defended by anyone in the universe.

[marw]

6 minutes ago, Pleistoros said:

Best for you is to make your own hi5 server hosted in your home and play with few friends...

I'm saying what worked many years before f2p, even on f2p when there were not p2w items. 

I still clearly remember when was first brooch event up and a lot of my good friends left server (they played mostly 5+ years on official).

[Quitted]

1 hour ago, Slou said:

With such a system that exists today - with the p2w system, new players have a chance to catch up ( equipment and lvl)  the players who are playing 10 years here

Under the system of subscription,  no chances for new players, therefore they will not come here

Therefore, we must continue to follow the same path - p2w

Please no bs.

Eg, I'm a returning player on ncwest i've got tons of money and i want to gear up. Where i can find jewelry boxes in the l2store, heine fishing baits, elemental shirts, agathion boxes, cloaks? You may say well the players are selling them (where are elemental shirt) for an outrageous price. Who gives me the adena since i'm a returning player?

Or are you trying to say to me that i need to convert 1k $ to 10 billions dropping in l2 store crap in the outrageously low prices the players are buying that crap ?

You're missing the point. They don't want to work either. Who wants to work is helding daily meeting on discord with the users.

When neutron/conguero held 1 single meeting on discord with evey and zuzu? lol

They don't care. No one will ever return in here. Who's in is in who leaves leaves who the fu ck cares ?

On the other side i'm a returning player on skelth no l2 store on april i can be lvl 78 with top gear like all the other users on the server no truffle with a mustang to race with.

Before someone posts something else can you please access to the purchase ncoins page and charge your credit innova page? Thank you.

The diffence in price is like the korean 000000 they put in the enchant/compound rate.

Last thing. The money is yours. Do what you want.

Sorry for the gripes but I was only trying to find a way to use again my 13 years old toon, well 12 years to be fair, but it seems there's a big no way.

To helv lol i bet hime/neutron/conguero/the technician who pushes the power button is the very same dude. And oh i discovered l2 since a friend of mine was admin in a private server back in 2004. He was used to ban ppl on a german server while he was in vacation in thailandia.

1+1= ?

[Pleistoros]

Here how NcSoft evolved thru time:

Stone of destiny-2012-so we can change main class...no need high lvl of coding

http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/announcements/the-stone-of-destiny-returns.php

Here a good event-summer 2012

http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/events/summer-warfare.php

L2 and Aion meeting(can you imagine Neutron and Conquero leaving office and meet players?! :D):

http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/announcements/this-friday-lineage-ii-and-aion-player-summit.php

again stone of destiny:

http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/store-promos/september-store-update-new-item-details.php

bonus of buying ncoins-2012

http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/store-promos/ncoin-shopping-spree.php

http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/store-promos/black-friday-ncoin-shopping-spree.php

here a funny event with GM

http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/events/cursed-swords-gm-event.php

Weaver aghation 2013-among first items who made big diference

http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/store-promos/august-28th-store-update.php

Adenian underware again in 2015-top item to have at that time...very good in our days too.

http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/store-promos/adenian-underwear-and-tattoos.php

Another good event-2013:

http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/events/dragon-rising-event.php

and now 2018:

http://www.lineage2.com/en/news/store-promos/circlets-of-power-Feb-2018.php

My question is....while server population its lower every year what event trigger increasing of items value in ncoins? Isnt that odd? 5 y ago you pay top 4000 ncoin to get somenthing valuable and now for 14400 ncoins you are not sure what you get . Where we go Hime? What is next?100 000 ncoin pack?