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feres    0

so i think go check other game because,

say free to player, but this big lie

 

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November    45

We would have welcomed you to the L2 Quit list but the mods don't feel that it pertains to the forms as part of their on going problem. SuperNovas / Chopsuey / Skynet / United / Unrest / among many others of players and clans have left given the state of things. This is effectively our boycott. I lost count at over 200 unique logins and over 400 total accounts with boxes.

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jimmylee    2

If you just have fun killing mob yes the game can stay free. But if you want pvp then the you will have to pay 500 euro a month hi pigeons goodbye ...

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Roflcopter    18
1 hour ago, CJj said:

There are broches on ru classic mate

yes you get them ingame like the pendant. not in the ingame shop for $

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class3Rank1    3

I'm clan leader in giran and i make   10 of level 3 +9 water pandant to my clan member with out useing any Dollar :) how is that happen i buy it from ppl who want adena dude item is tradeable maybe you can't got level 5 +10 but you can do level 3+9 it's worth to do it and you can keep cps / clan have it if you not greedy to sold everything to Euro/USD in previos 4 month  

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November    45
2 minutes ago, class3Rank1 said:

I'm clan leader in giran and i make   10 of level 3 +9 water pandant to my clan member with out useing any Dollar :) how is that happen i buy it from ppl who want adena dude item is tradeable maybe you can't got level 5 +10 but you can do level 3+9 it's worth to do it and you can keep cps / clan have it if you not greedy to sold everything to Euro/USD in previos 4 month  

Stupiddd

Alright, fast forward, the event is now over and you would like a pendant right? Well guess who has them in spades? The botters, so they destroy the market again. You are looking 1 inch in-front of you.

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class3Rank1    3
3 hours ago, November said:

Alright, fast forward, the event is now over and you would like a pendant right? Well guess who has them in spades? The botters, so they destroy the market again. You are looking 1 inch in-front of you.

people have 30 days to prepare or grinding adena to get  pandant  from another buyer that donated to server  yes maybe you can't afford same as big donater but you still can in the games with good  teamplay  and have fun with the games  more to explode more to community  

so you gonna say all botter buying pandant ?? where is the proof dude all you said is only your imagination  i still see ppl killing all RB 50- 70 they are tons of ppl still playing  
only losing side is quiting and you said the winner side don't care about pandant ?  so why the winner side not quit  face the reallity pal 

*ps sorry for my bad english 
-yea this pandant event ruin alot of thing but it's not the end of the games  IT's free to play game and free to quit 

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November    45
1 hour ago, class3Rank1 said:

people have 30 days to prepare or grinding adena to get  pandant  from another buyer that donated to server  yes maybe you can't afford same as big donater but you still can in the games with good  teamplay  and have fun with the games  more to explode more to community  

You are missing the point. The game is F2P, not P2W. That's the entire point. What is the definition of P2W? I already linked it once for you, though I will do so again. 

A game which has any sort of items in the shop that save you an extraordinary amount of time to achieve something is considered P2W.

Another Definition would be, Any game that offers you a way to save time via spending real life currency. Albeit, how much time it saves you, or better how much of an advantage it provides is the kicker.   

The scrolls, they gave us for completing quests and such, as well as being in the shop, is borderline P2W. This is because a player has a means outside of paying for it to obtain them.

The Monkey Bait was the very first P2W item, and it was how they effectively tested the waters.

The Pendant is going to clear the way for the brooches / enchants / armor / among other things (this is why it killed the game, it became L2 Classic Soon To be Live)

Your entire argument hinges on the fact that you have an organized group of players that through this are able to afford an item that is only in the shop and through certain conditions can be traded. For the average player, clan, and (or) group of players, they do not have this option. Therefore they are inherently left with only one option. Pay to become competitive or accept being non-factor. This comes down to your goals, though despite this, you will always be non factor compared to someone who has it. In this case we are talking about pendants. Next month it'll be something else, and then something else.

1 hour ago, class3Rank1 said:

so you gonna say all botter buying pandant ?? 

No, I am saying that when the event is over, only the smart players will have pendants to sell after the event ends and you are no longer able to purchase them. Now, the botters are rather smart because they are avoiding detection and skirting around bans. So the logic would be that botters have a lot of money, and like you... They can trade / buy / and or purchase these items with Real Life Currency. Now just because a botter doesn't need the pendant, given that they are already efficient when it comes to farming, doesn't mean they won't need this item... It will help them with several things. First this would only serve to further increase their efficiency, and secondly the pimp botter will be needing it to players harassing their bots in their place..

1 hour ago, class3Rank1 said:

 i still see ppl killing all RB 50- 70 they are tons of ppl still playing  only losing side is quiting and you said the winner side don't care about pandant ?  so why the winner side not quit  face the reallity pal 

I'm not going to hunt down our conversation from other threads to determine the veracity of this statement. Regardless losing side is having an easier time quitting, the winning side doesn't care if others leave, not initially of course. They will care when theres only their clan left on the server and the yare begging for a merger.

So let's explain a little bit about humans. Humans need to win 30% of the time or they will walk away from whatever they are doing. 

Let's explain the logic:

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We are already struggling against our opponent (the winning clan), and so we will resort to guerilla tactics and ambush them when able 1 v 9+ if possible. We will attempt to contest raids, epics, hunting grounds, among other things in this manner. We will train them / heal the raids / ETC. We are desperate to stay in the fight and we are doing everything we can in this F2P game to stay competitive against them.

Then,

NCsoft comes in and offers an item, and people like yourself (as you say the winning side) are able to attain them for in game currency, and your competition (the losing clan) is unable to. Therefore you become stronger, and they become infinitely weaker to the point where the 1 v 9 stops working, the 2 v 18 stops working, the 3 v 27 stops working (the Rich getting Richer, and the Poor getting Poorer). Eventually, you are faced with the tough choice. Do I honestly care enough about this game to invest 1,000++ Euros or more to become competitive. Not only is it a question you must answer for yourself, but your clan must also answer it. Then lets be, fair half say no. You are now down half a clan, and the enemy has spent 0 dollars. Clan level 3+ is 30+ people so 15+, means 15k+ to NCsoft, from your clan to fight the winning clan (which has spent nothing, or very little compared to your clan). 

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2 hours ago, class3Rank1 said:

*ps sorry for my bad english 
-yea this pandant event ruin alot of thing but it's not the end of the games  IT's free to play game and free to quit 

No worries about the english ^^

The pendant has ruined the game, the point was to make it F2P, not P2W. You can say whatever you want regarding that.

P.S. To be fair, it's not only the losing thats leaving. In Gludio, both TOP clans left and (or) sustained major losses. 

~Happy Hunting.

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Jackl    37
On 3/2/2019 at 10:06 AM, November said:

Alright, fast forward, the event is now over and you would like a pendant right? Well guess who has them in spades? The botters, so they destroy the market again. You are looking 1 inch in-front of you.

This. In 6 months all will be a one shot unless you have every event item to near max tier.

Such it is in retail, such as it will be here. If you stay you deserve what you get.

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Krumb    3

Funny how they talked about "preserving" the launch experience with the classic server, yet add a very costly and pay-to-win cash shop event. I'm ashamed of myself for supporting the game for this long when they one of the worst customer service teams. It has been made clear that this is a major last-ditch cash grab from the community.

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LifeChat    3

Waste of time.....Better to play my money in a real casino than here.

Αt the end of May will come the end...holidays and many new games are coming ,then they will do the merge of the severs and they will have 2k online =with max 300 REAL people online.....

Τhankfully I wasted only  50 $ in this 6 months project.(i could buy a ps4 game :( but ok) All my cp left  ,  only two of the nine stayed because are using  adrenaline.

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