Afk macro, and dropped items from pk

[Katis]

After noticing the new trend on the server with some people forcing others on afk macro, to pk, and drop items eventually, i decided to make a ticket about it on ncsoft, and try understand their point of view on this topic.

Just to make it clear, i understand and accept that afk macro is not a good idea, as it has been mentioned many times before.

So, here's the ticket i did at the beginning of our enlightening conversation...

 https://paste.pics/21567af0d09deb62452b5a451c952aed

https://paste.pics/d58d3d0627f93a7766a2e784e462ef21

For sure I'm not interested of proceeding to such actions, because i don't believe it's right, but as i said before, i want to understand and another point of view...

So here is the answer i got next day.

https://paste.pics/6b23bc95dae96d3f38ee9bcc178932c3

https://paste.pics/198d73ce09813d0f0a5a4d53c53c178a

...but i wasn't satisfied, as i didn't get a straight answer to my question, so i replied...

https://paste.pics/83c38384bf60bca06a8f0ebf1f829a4f

...to finally get this answer.

https://paste.pics/ed3d17a8c0da380f986851dff3f2db3d

So as it looks like, for nc soft, this is not considered as a scam or a violation to their rules, so if someone decides to do it, is free to go but only has to remember NOT to do it more than once to each player, because it might considered as harassment to that specific player, and he might get banned for that reason.

I also found this video on YouTube, and i also sent it with my tickets.

https://youtu.be/nnkBhiQtzWk

Now, what's right or wrong depends on each people mind. Just because you would never do something (you thing is wrong) to someone else, doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't do it to you.

Be aware of the dangers, and know that your are the only responsible for what happens to your toon.

I hope you found this post enlightening.

And as always, have fun

 

[fentagin]

With these matter i just start thinking........I am a player who spend a lot of time to xp my character and a big ammount of money in nc coins trying on events to get some good items to improve my gear......Now comes a day that one other player steals my items or force me to loose them cause i went afk for my reasons!!!!What it would be my next move!!!!Be sure that i will leave game and i will never come back to give any more time or euro for nc coins!Same as me i think many people will do that!So if a company want to loose many clients just to protect a common thief who i think he will never reach all those players,its ok!!! GOOD LUCK &hf

[Katis]

Well... I'm afraid that this kind of behaviour from nc will encourage more people to turn to this way of making Adena, as long as it's already too hard to make some gear, and slowly the community will transform to a small community of thieves, "stealing" items from each other...

This scenario is really sad.

Also sad is that, while they could give some motivation to new players to start this game or old players to return, they do the opposite... They give motivation to existing players to quit this game.

But anyway, it's an "open game", right?

And we're not getting paid to help them improve their marketing or policy. 

For us is just a game to have fun on our free time... But for nc is business... I don't believe they like losing costumers.

[GreenCrusher]

It could be easy, if they guy still had the dropped items, but if he put them in AH & some other random bought it, not knowing where that item came from, now that random buyer would get screwed too. & then the scammer who has that buyers adena, if that scammer used that money already on something, & that adena is now with another random, etc....how far down the rabbit hole would the GM's have to go to refund several peoples adena & gear just so that the original person can have his gear back ??

If we can't even get live GM's in the game anymore just to ban real bots, then I dont see how ncsoft will go thru all the trouble of "adena / gear management" with what I posted above.

Instead ncsoft has chosen the easiest path: they have warned players not to play afk, or do so at your own risk.

[muash]

21 minutes ago, GreenCrusher said:

Instead ncsoft has chosen the easiest path: they have warned players not to play afk, or do so at your own risk.

IMO its the only right path, heres a simple solution: DONT GO AFK!

[Spirrow]

5 hours ago, Katis said:

After noticing the new trend on the server with some people forcing others on afk macro, to pk, and drop items eventually, i decided to make a ticket about it on ncsoft, and try understand their point of view on this topic.

Just to make it clear, i understand and accept that afk macro is not a good idea, as it has been mentioned many times before.

So, here's the ticket i did at the beginning of our enlightening conversation...

 https://paste.pics/21567af0d09deb62452b5a451c952aed

https://paste.pics/d58d3d0627f93a7766a2e784e462ef21

For sure I'm not interested of proceeding to such actions, because i don't believe it's right, but as i said before, i want to understand and another point of view...

So here is the answer i got next day.

https://paste.pics/6b23bc95dae96d3f38ee9bcc178932c3

https://paste.pics/198d73ce09813d0f0a5a4d53c53c178a

...but i wasn't satisfied, as i didn't get a straight answer to my question, so i replied...

https://paste.pics/83c38384bf60bca06a8f0ebf1f829a4f

...to finally get this answer.

https://paste.pics/ed3d17a8c0da380f986851dff3f2db3d

So as it looks like, for nc soft, this is not considered as a scam or a violation to their rules, so if someone decides to do it, is free to go but only has to remember NOT to do it more than once to each player, because it might considered as harassment to that specific player, and he might get banned for that reason.

I also found this video on YouTube, and i also sent it with my tickets.

https://youtu.be/nnkBhiQtzWk

Now, what's right or wrong depends on each people mind. Just because you would never do something (you thing is wrong) to someone else, doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't do it to you.

Be aware of the dangers, and know that your are the only responsible for what happens to your toon.

I hope you found this post enlightening.

And as always, have fun

 

unfortunately ncwest friend is not calling the lineage2,
and this is a Lineage2 bug,
where to make pk on char that is pk and takes karma as fast as the delay on l2.
Yes you have to process them on this bug of the own lineage2.
Well you get PK on char that is PK on your side.
His automatic responses are the worst thing in the world, you show the fault and they say it's a problem on your computer.

 

 

BUG from Lineage2

 

you put in PVE Monster mode,
  comes a char pk on your side the AOE picks up the PK player.
if the PK kills 1 mob before dying in your AOE you get KARMA

Now ncwest says that this is working properly only if it is in the house of Satan

 

That is the reality or they fix the BUG PK, or Closes the simple Lineage2.

 

Automatic response, always same answer "Working correctly"

[Znip]

You do it on your own risk, dont go AFK when macroing - problem solved.

Sucks you lost items, sucks that there are people with no moral running around.

But its part of the game, until NCWest goes out and say - "AFK Macro hunting can now be done without fear of losing items!" - you have no right to complain, you're using the repeat function in a manner which was not intended.

 

All in all, learn how the game works & you will have no fear of accidentally turning red.

The "scammers" are able to do this, because they have some amount of game knowledge.

Edited April 2, 2019 by Dagger

[LightRider]

1 hour ago, Dagger said:

You do it on your own risk, dont go AFK when macroing - problem solved.

Sucks you lost items, sucks that there are people with no moral running around.

But its part of the game, until NCWest goes out and say - "AFK Macro hunting can now be done without fear of losing items!" - you have no right to complain, you're using the repeat function in a manner which was not intended.

 

All in all, learn how the game works & you will have no fear of accidentally turning red.

The "scammers" are able to do this, because they have some amount of game knowledge.

They are exploiting the pk system in a way that should not happen.

If an aoe skill hits a character while they are red this should not make a character to go red for killing a red.

If you argue that the character is white when damage it taken then that is a bug because aoe skills do not affect non flagged characters.

They are exploiting the split second that the conversion from red to white takes time to transition to make people go red.

@Juji fix this please.

[Katis]

Once again, just to make it clear, because i noticed some people are confused here, I DON'T SUPPORT any of the two sides, neither the afker, or the "scammer".

The cause of this post is for other players like me, to understand the nc point of view. To inform and everybody to be aware.

It doesn't matter if we agree with that or not, that's it.

[Helv]

I'm happy NC responded like this, maybe they will not break the PK system like Innova has. 

So remember guys, if you go AFK with a macro turned on - it's your own risk, you are responsible for your character. Either learn how to make a proper macro or forget it.

[Katis]

3 minutes ago, Helv said:

Either learn how to make a proper macro or forget it.

There is not such thing as "proper macro"

Eventually every kind of macro gets bypassed, some people learned it the hard way ?

[xNttt]

On 4/2/2019 at 11:19 AM, Katis said:

After noticing the new trend on the server with some people forcing others on afk macro, to pk, and drop items eventually, i decided to make a ticket about it on ncsoft, and try understand their point of view on this topic.

Just to make it clear, i understand and accept that afk macro is not a good idea, as it has been mentioned many times before.

So, here's the ticket i did at the beginning of our enlightening conversation...

 https://paste.pics/21567af0d09deb62452b5a451c952aed

https://paste.pics/d58d3d0627f93a7766a2e784e462ef21

For sure I'm not interested of proceeding to such actions, because i don't believe it's right, but as i said before, i want to understand and another point of view...

So here is the answer i got next day.

https://paste.pics/6b23bc95dae96d3f38ee9bcc178932c3

https://paste.pics/198d73ce09813d0f0a5a4d53c53c178a

...but i wasn't satisfied, as i didn't get a straight answer to my question, so i replied...

https://paste.pics/83c38384bf60bca06a8f0ebf1f829a4f

...to finally get this answer.

https://paste.pics/ed3d17a8c0da380f986851dff3f2db3d

So as it looks like, for nc soft, this is not considered as a scam or a violation to their rules, so if someone decides to do it, is free to go but only has to remember NOT to do it more than once to each player, because it might considered as harassment to that specific player, and he might get banned for that reason.

I also found this video on YouTube, and i also sent it with my tickets.

https://youtu.be/nnkBhiQtzWk

Now, what's right or wrong depends on each people mind. Just because you would never do something (you thing is wrong) to someone else, doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't do it to you.

Be aware of the dangers, and know that your are the only responsible for what happens to your toon.

I hope you found this post enlightening.

And as always, have fun

 

Russian way how to force right in the spot . if you are fast enought it will take ~5mins .that main reason why was Turned off PK drops ..cause become impossible to play no metter u monitoring or not ..was cases when ppl dropped items when was even killing without any macro In sos ..soo fast can be done ... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvLus7q6gpQ

[Kiato2]

I lost a tauti 2h with afk macro. I understand pk system works as intended, if im pk with more than 4 pks i can drop. I assume that.

The thing i dont understand is if i cant hit a pj manually cause i have the next target setted on monster, why i can be forced to attack a pj without using force attack or aoe skill (i kill with summons). Macro interface should communicate with next target option to avoid that behavior.

Or if i start casting a skill when a pj is red why i shpukd be pk if he rides off karma while im casting... that shouldnt be a right way of working.

[Katis]

41 minutes ago, Kiato2 said:

I lost a tauti 2h with afk macro. I understand pk system works as intended, if im pk with more than 4 pks i can drop. I assume that.

The thing i dont understand is if i cant hit a pj manually cause i have the next target setted on monster, why i can be forced to attack a pj without using force attack or aoe skill (i kill with summons). Macro interface should communicate with next target option to avoid that behavior.

Or if i start casting a skill when a pj is red why i shpukd be pk if he rides off karma while im casting... that shouldnt be a right way of working.

The next Target is working as it supposed to be. The auto targeting makes it possible for you to take someone in your Target. For example try hit your toon with another char while you don't have any Target. After a few hits you will have on your Target the one who hits you.

[Kiato2]

Yes but i i dont have a force attack skill and i dont use aoe, just have my summons attacking, how the hell he forced me to attack him if i manually cant

[Znip]

On 02/04/2019 at 6:46 PM, LightRider said:

They are exploiting the pk system in a way that should not happen.

If an aoe skill hits a character while they are red this should not make a character to go red for killing a red.

If you argue that the character is white when damage it taken then that is a bug because aoe skills do not affect non flagged characters.

They are exploiting the split second that the conversion from red to white takes time to transition to make people go red.

@Juji fix this please.

You don't know what you're talking about, or how the "exploit" works. 

macro char puts nexttarget to monster, think hes6safe, put a dumb aoe which attack both monsters + players, i.e non-target aoe, or aoe which leaves an effect in the area. 

Macro char turns flag, "exploiter" pulls macro away, uses agression to make macro target him. 

Now, if the macro char is using a bad macro he will not leave his target, thus making him vulnerable to PKing if "accidentally" using a skill as the other char is flashing white. 

 

No exploit involved, ive pked MANY times in pvp because my opponent is running and i use a skill just as they pop to white name. Should i report those players for "using an exploit"? 

Or killing a "red" just as he dekarma, making me red in the process.. 

Lmao. 

 

 

The bug you're talking about is this :

Player flash purple to white, takes 15 seconds to fully transition between purple and white. 

If you use a skill at 14.9 seconds, it will initiate cast while purple - finish while white. 

 

Same for red, if you start a cast as they're red, then they turn white while casting > you will flag or pk. 

 

There is NO EXPLOIT REGARDING AOE ATTACKS, just simply using game mechanics to make THE MACRO TARGET THEM. 

Then they USE THE EXISTING, 100% WORKING PVP SYSTEM TO TRY N MAKE YOU KARMA. 

 

3 hours ago, Kiato2 said:

Yes but i i dont have a force attack skill and i dont use aoe, just have my summons attacking, how the hell he forced me to attack him if i manually cant

Read above. 

 

 

Long story short, dont afk macro if you don't know game mechanics. 

Edited April 5, 2019 by Dagger

[Dawe]

So, for example the Yul's Phoenix Arrow skill will give dmg to the other players even without Force-Attack?

Edited April 5, 2019 by Dawe

[LightRider]

@Dawe yes if they are flagged or red.

Edited April 5, 2019 by LightRider

[LightRider]

@Dagger thanks for clearing things up, and I agree it is a mechanic in the game that is pretty messed up.

[Dawe]

10 hours ago, LightRider said:

@Dawe yes if they are flagged or red.

And if i use Force-Attack, i will affect non-flagged people aswell right?

[LightRider]

2 hours ago, Dawe said:

And if i use Force-Attack, i will affect non-flagged people aswell right?

Only if you have them targeted

[Draecke]

[Marijuanna]

If you have PK and your char is moved on the map make ticket to NcSoft, give names. I do understand macro mechanics can be faulty and it is my/your responsibility for any lost items.

What does not make sense is how a char farming in Atelia Refinery , zone accessed ONLY by teleport , can be moved on Aden map. I asked this question three times by Thicket, I never got an answer to the question asked from three different GMs , GM Yehara, GM Maru, Chryssa. I was explained how macro it is not safe and it is my responsibility for any losses things I was and I am aware, but no answer to a simple question. Strange!

1) Can a player move an opponent character from Atelia Instance - outside on any other place of the map?

 2) If answer is NO at the first question do you take in consideration we might have corrupted GMs/NC staff?

Because of this two questions I believe PK on macro is EXPLOITED and ABUSED.

[Draecke]

if a char has karma it can be moved yes, quite simple even as there's a scroll that will force a move on you like you would bsoe

https://l2wiki.com/Mysterious_Scroll

 

Edited April 11, 2019 by Draecke

[Marijuanna]

Thanks Draecke, I will try to see how it works. Because I would guess it will force you escape outside Refinery and not somewhere in Forsaken Plains.