Lineage2Lover Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Hi lineage 2 team and community! There are something strange happening on talking island server (and i think this is happening on all servers), somedays (when has much players online) its impossible to let my chars on macro cause they got disconect, when im active playing with them they do not disconnect, but when i leave them alone for 5 minutes or more for example they disconect, i think that the players fishing and the bots are taking all the server for them, they are selfish, a player wants to run 200 + bots and the players that really wants to play the game cant play the game and cant use the auto attack function cause the Thousand of bots are crowding the server and the real players are getting disconnect instead the bots, and a message for the players that are filling the server with bots: stop being selfish, remember its a game to be enjoiable with respect, what a new player thinks when they go to death pass and others areas like that and they cant even kill a monster cause its full of selfish bots, i see everibody complaining about everything, but the selfish community caused this, please #Juji take a care on it before is too late, we want new players coming, and what we see? the old players are creating new charachters cause they dont have ways to make adena and to mantain soulshots, we see bots killing themselves to stay at low level cause they get more adena at low level, we need a definitive solution for this, we dont want to get disconect instead the Thousand of bots, do they have priority to stay online? .......Waiting for answers........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilus Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 so....Bots are interfering with your in game bot feature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lineage2Lover Posted July 26, 2019 Author Share Posted July 26, 2019 6 hours ago, Cilus said: so....Bots are interfering with your in game bot feature? Dont you think that the bots should get disconnect instead the real players? Thousand of bots filling the server, the auto function in game is legal (its help when you need to stay afk for a litle time) and cannot be compared with the thousand of selfish bots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotrope Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 It's probably more about multiple connections from a single IP, but hey I don't box with 6 characters so I don't have this problem. Cry me a river really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixa Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Completely false, my characters run non-stop without any dc for days. I'm running only 3 of them though, on Giran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lineage2Lover Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 3 hours ago, mixa said: Completely false, my characters run non-stop without any dc for days. I'm running only 3 of them though, on Giran. Search on the forum for disconnections and you will see that is an issue that must be fixed, its not only me with this problem my friend! Why dont the selfish bots gets disconnect instead the real players? Looks like that when the server is full someone must be disconnect and why the real players are getting disconnect instead the Thousand of bots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janeway Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 41 minutes ago, Lineage2Lover said: Search on the forum for disconnections and you will see that is an issue that must be fixed, its not only me with this problem my friend! Why dont the selfish bots gets disconnect instead the real players? Looks like that when the server is full someone must be disconnect and why the real players are getting disconnect instead the Thousand of bots? Sry I have been logged in for hours, almost days whit my toon either fishing or stading in the hunting ground doing nothing, I have never had 1 d/c since I startet the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixa Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Lineage2Lover said: Search on the forum for disconnections and you will see that is an issue that must be fixed, its not only me with this problem my friend! Why dont the selfish bots gets disconnect instead the real players? Looks like that when the server is full someone must be disconnect and why the real players are getting disconnect instead the Thousand of bots? Because probably they all got more stable connection than you, literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lineage2Lover Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 18 minutes ago, mixa said: Because probably they all got more stable connection than you, literally. Then you are saying that the bots have a more stable connection than normal players and when the server is full the normal players get disconnect instead the bots, then the bots have priority to stay online at all. Looks like that mixa is a bot user, why dont you log in five Thousand of bots and play the the game alone? Selfish detected, you are literally on the bot side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shansung Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 The disconnects are not always due to instability of a persons connection... I run 3 PC’s with 9 clients each, leveling up random toons and trying out combos of the “perfect” L2 squad, and I’ll get disconnected on 3-4 clients on 2-3 PC’s, but the rest of the clients stay in game just fine. If it was instability on the players side, all would disconnect. Random client disconnects have happened to me since the beginning of the server. I just accepted it as some sort of function server side to detect bots or open space up for other players. It still happens now, though not as often. Used to be a every other day thing. i do notice the server will lag for a few moments, just before some of these random client disconnects. After the lag, 1/9-4/9 clients will DC, while the rest keep running just fine. Happens when hunting, fishing, or just standing around in town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shansung Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Lineage2Lover said: Why dont the selfish bots gets disconnect instead the real players? They probably do get disconnected too, but the 3rd party software is so superior, they can automatically relog and party up, then begin their hunt again. I haven’t touched a 3rd party program since I got punished on l2classic.club many years ago, but the software is incredibly intuitive and advanced. It is 1000x better than what macro’s can achieve. Macros are legal though, so stick to that. Btw, there’s server police out there that PK macro users and call them bots, but you’re only hurting the legit player base by doing that. Real bot program users are super easy to identify and they don’t give a crap about being PK’ed. So PK’ing macro users because of your antibot excuse is counter productive, at least in the sense of what you’re trying to achieve. It might actually push some to use 3 party programs or simply quit if they’re too butt hurt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightRider Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Lineage2Lover said: Then you are saying that the bots have a more stable connection than normal players and when the server is full the normal players get disconnect instead the bots, then the bots have priority to stay online at all. Looks like that mixa is a bot user, why dont you log in five Thousand of bots and play the the game alone? Selfish detected, you are literally on the bot side. I don’t think you understand how networking works. If I were you I would stop posting about “Priority” as it is an outrageous accusation. Instead of investing time and energy into this subject, why not just focus on getting a better connection? good luck and welcome to Lineage 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixa Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 6 hours ago, Lineage2Lover said: Then you are saying that the bots have a more stable connection than normal players and when the server is full the normal players get disconnect instead the bots, then the bots have priority to stay online at all. Looks like that mixa is a bot user, why dont you log in five Thousand of bots and play the the game alone? Selfish detected, you are literally on the bot side. You got me there.....I literally control all the bots on all the servers.I also got priority over any everyone else. I'm also playing alone, feel free to stop your desperate efforts to stay online, my prioritized accounts won't let you go afk, so you'll be disconnected to allow more of my horde to log back in. That's how stuff works, deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leamak Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 You have been playing for 15 years, you should consider taking a break. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xHaseo Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 11 hours ago, Lineage2Lover said: Then you are saying that the bots have a more stable connection than normal players and when the server is full the normal players get disconnect instead the bots, then the bots have priority to stay online at all. Looks like that mixa is a bot user, why dont you log in five Thousand of bots and play the the game alone? Selfish detected, you are literally on the bot side. Ahem...first of all, the servers are not full since...idk...8 months? The server probably had the "full server" issue the first month of the server, 2 at best, after that population was already going down so... Right now, you see servers going into 'heavy' status but if the cap is 6500, we may get around 4500 players into the server now. Even tho you think that's a huuuge number, it is not. In giran server, for example, even if we get 5000 players...MAYBE during prime activities such a sieges, you may see around 300-400 players. Second point tho...with all the scripts etc, i'm quite sure that bots are able to auto-relog so they don't even mind if one of those accs got d/c...and even so, it takes no time to relog. As for me, i had some connection issues but, in the end, it's a fault that comes from either my side (italian's connection are garbage) and from server that, once in a while it comes from the server that make players randomly d/c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senshi_83 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 On 26/07/2019 at 1:42 AM, Lineage2Lover said: its impossible to let my chars on macro cause they got disconect, when im active playing with them they do not disconnect, but when i leave them alone for 5 minutes or more for example they disconect, i think that the players fishing and the bots are taking all the server for them This. Happened to me too today 3x now never happened before. I can confirm there's an issue. Happens when I tab out to desktop and idle there. After 5 Minutes all clients are closed. I checked my connection 3x it's all stable no router disconnect nor any remote connection termination. I'll keep observing this. Retarded engine force closing clients instead of being able to restart. Good luck if this will persist for me I'm out im not a jerk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixa Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Senshi_83 said: This. Happened to me too today 3x now never happened before. I can confirm there's an issue. Happens when I tab out to desktop and idle there. After 5 Minutes all clients are closed. I checked my connection 3x it's all stable no router disconnect nor any remote connection termination. I'll keep observing this. Retarded engine force closing clients instead of being able to restart. Good luck if this will persist for me I'm out im not a jerk... Imo pay someone who knows how to properly diagnose networking issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tool_of_Society Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) It takes me about 5 hours to drive to Dallas where the datacenter is. So I have very few hops between my systems and the server. The only time I've D/ced in the last couple months was when my internet service went down for some maintenance. I leave 10 characters logged from server maintenance to server maintenance every week for the last few months (9 in a party farming 1 selling). Not a single character has D/Ced. I've even managed to get things setup so that the game client doesn't crash after 3 days (memory leaks). Most likely the D/C issues are related to the internet providers between you and Ncsoft. If you're in europe the packets have to move quite a distance and each hop is a potential dropping point. It's also possibly machine related but that's a much lower chance of being the problem. You're going to need to do a lot of tracerts and such to figure out the weak spot in the chain. Once identified you might be able to find a way around it via a VPN or something. On 7/27/2019 at 11:32 AM, Shansung said: The disconnects are not always due to instability of a persons connection... I run 3 PC’s with 9 clients each, leveling up random toons and trying out combos of the “perfect” L2 squad, and I’ll get disconnected on 3-4 clients on 2-3 PC’s, but the rest of the clients stay in game just fine. If it was instability on the players side, all would disconnect. That's not true at all. Losing a few packets can cause some to none of the game clients to D/C. For several months my cable internet provider had a problem with some of their equipment that serviced my area. What that means is I had from 0-30% packet loss at their first bit of equipment (I use my own modem). When the problem first started I would have 1% packet loss at times. The loss would come in bunches of 2-3 packets then back to >10ms pings. Sometimes that was sufficient to cause some of the characters to disconnect other times I only noticed because movement on click was delayed a second. So my point is I've seen first hand that lineage 2 can sometimes be affected by a few packets being lost and other times not affected at all. Sometimes the disconnections would plague one character or even one machine. Quote i do notice the server will lag for a few moments, just before some of these random client disconnects. After the lag, 1/9-4/9 clients will DC, while the rest keep running just fine. Happens when hunting, fishing, or just standing around in town. What you're describing is packet loss. I experienced the same thing when my internet provider was having issues. That would be the delay of a second or so I mentioned in the prior paragraph. I bought a killawatt some months ago to see how much power I was using. Power is a bit expensive here so I was trying to cut back in usage (power = heat too). With the approaching of +90 degree Texas summer days I decided I needed to lessen the amount of heat being generated and electricity being used. Each of my main "gaming" machines were pulling about 215 watts from the wall with 3 clients. The SFF business i5 3470 machines with 8 gb ddr3 and radeon hd7570s (1gb gddr5) were pulling under 90 watts each when running 3 clients (massive drop in watts used). So I'm using three of them now for around 270 watts total for 10 clients. The SFF business machines also release less heat so the air conditioner isn't running nearly as much. It made a noticeable difference in my monthly electrical bill. Edited July 28, 2019 by Tool_of_Society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shansung Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 What you’re saying makes sense to me, as far as packet loss. Some clients lose packets while others don’t. That would definitely fit the bill. I’m currently living in VA. I’ve been plagued with weekly disconnects since the start of the server. It doesn’t happen daily, so I’m not super pissed, but when 3-4 clients on 3 Pc’s DC, it’s annoying AF to relog. It literally takes about 30 mins to log everything in from beginning to end. Let this be a testament to how much Cox sucks. On a happier note, I’m military and moving to FL in a few months. They’ve got fiber available there. Someone’s upgrading very soon. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tool_of_Society Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Shansung said: What you’re saying makes sense to me, as far as packet loss. Some clients lose packets while others don’t. That would definitely fit the bill. I’m currently living in VA. I’ve been plagued with weekly disconnects since the start of the server. It doesn’t happen daily, so I’m not super pissed, but when 3-4 clients on 3 Pc’s DC, it’s annoying AF to relog. It literally takes about 30 mins to log everything in from beginning to end. Let this be a testament to how much Cox sucks. On a happier note, I’m military and moving to FL in a few months. They’ve got fiber available there. Someone’s upgrading very soon. ? I was definitely suffering some nerd rage at having to relog in so much. I was only running 9 at most during that time so that x3 would of broke me as a person I've heard lots of bad and very little positive about cox cable. Hopefully that move will get you hooked up properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxMoney Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Happens to me also and its very frustration i run 5 clients, 4 active 1 shop, my shop usually disconnects, and my 2nd 2 clients will disconnect after. my first 2 never disconnect (knock on wood) - if one client crashes i can't continue my macro. been trying to figure it out, keep thinking somethings wrong with my internet. and going to connect directly to my modem vs wireless usb. maybe that will help my "connection problem" i sent a ticket in and they said they can't help me because I'm running more then 1 client. if i run 1 client and it disconnects then contact them. - i did notice usually when my chars don't move they disconnect, but that's not 100% of the time. - and when i lower my screen size to 800 x 600 ( DEAR LORD ITS BAD ) i can maintain longer connection. wish we knew what was the cause @Hime @Juji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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