YetAnotherSummoner Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 19 hours ago, GhostintheShell said: I had 6 Greater Jewels, sold 3 (Sapphire6, 2x Ruby6) and I bought Bitcoin before the Halving in May-2020 Selling IG Items for real life money is against the TOS. Admitting so on there own forum would be as stupid as buying bitcoin if the admins actually read these posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) Economy on Naia is so bad, not because of stronghold, stronghold in one hand is a good way for many to make adena and buy stuff from other players.... PROBLEM is less and less people want to play casino during promos AND ALMOST NO NEW FRESH ITEMS ARE GREATED! We have a steady rotation of 2-3 year old Items, which go from a quitting player to someone, who wants to upgrade his gear. EXAMPLE : Brooch jewels - no1 on naia is making new lvl 5/6, all are old, if you WTB basically you need SOMEONE TO MAKE QUIT SALE and because it is the only person selling RUBY 6 = 300b EXAMPLE : Legendary Cloaks - this promo I know of only 1 person who did +15 cloak, 1st and 2nd time we had the cloak promo I knew many ppl, who did +15+15+18 with much less recources, +15 was hard to make, now seems impossible - 9 ppl I know tried for +15 with many packs, 11-12-13 is nightmare, all ended up with +2+10+3+6+8 .. seems enchant rates are low. EXAMPLE : CRYSTALS OF DAWN - in our servers we can say these are non existent, while in other servers ppl can farm them. Problem with consumables, problem with rates, enchanting, melee lag, compounding ….. STRONGHOLD is not the problem …. whole economy in NAIA is broken NO1 PRODUCSES NEW WEAPONS/SETS/CLOAKS/CIRCLETS ETC ETC .. because of the casino everyone is just not participating or not gearing up atm. Edited April 12, 2020 by Argus 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelleth Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) On 4/10/2020 at 8:35 PM, Massacre said: @Juji Why this imbalance soo great ???? Top players (20 per server) are making 20-24b per day in isle of souls - stronghold and the rest ??? They are buying everthing to box characters... breaking market, prices rising A LOT. example: +7 elmore legendary cloak: before = 15b After: 30-35b +10 elmore legendary cloak: before = 25b After: 70-100b +15 elmore legendary cloak: before = 75-120b After: 250-380b don't you think about doing anything about it??? 20 players = 20-24b per day the rest: 50-300kk per day (what chance they have to buy something?) what balance is that?????? Dude Juji doesn't care the game is unbalanced. These people know what they're doing to make money. Look at dragon weapons for example. Only people with (money)can farm the claws to make better weapons etc. Do you think any random can go and do that? Answer is no. These people are in the business of making money. Which they're not to smart because if they destroy the game then people who bought all these items will get bored and leave game because competition will not be there(Due to unbalanced issue). So its a quick cash grab to cash out. I would be curious to see the metrics of the business model they have. It's probably done by some crack head with an etch a sketch( who needs more money to get his fix lol). Just one of those things that no one can do anything about. Only thing you can do is vote with your wallet and stop spending money on the game then they just might get the message. Edited April 12, 2020 by Lelleth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harperz Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 hour ago, YetAnotherSummoner said: Selling IG Items for real life money is against the TOS. Admitting so on there own forum would be as stupid as buying bitcoin if the admins actually read these posts. Where does he say he sold them for real money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excommunicated Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 NCSOFT is all to blame for selling things that do not work, people simply do not buy and those who buy only do so to sell sitting in ADEN but still people do not buy much and all because the chances are low. Yesterday I tried to upload a layer +10 to +11 with a scroll (+7 to +20 with 10% chance) with LUC85 and it failed after I bought stable to leave my cloak +10 again and the 4 stables failed. conclusion I DO NOT BUY MORE NCOIN .. I will buy everything with adena from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiosIsesi Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Argus said: Economy on Naia is so bad, not because of stronghold, stronghold in one hand is a good way for many to make adena and buy stuff from other players.... PROBLEM is less and less people want to play casino during promos AND ALMOST NO NEW FRESH ITEMS ARE GREATED! We have a steady rotation of 2-3 year old Items, which go from a quitting player to someone, who wants to upgrade his gear. EXAMPLE : Brooch jewels - no1 on naia is making new lvl 5/6, all are old, if you WTB basically you need SOMEONE TO MAKE QUIT SALE and because it is the only person selling RUBY 6 = 300b EXAMPLE : Legendary Cloaks - this promo I know of only 1 person who did +15 cloak, 1st and 2nd time we had the cloak promo I knew many ppl, who did +15+15+18 with much less recources, +15 was hard to make, now seems impossible - 9 ppl I know tried for +15 with many packs, 11-12-13 is nightmare, all ended up with +2+10+3+6+8 .. seems enchant rates are low. EXAMPLE : CRYSTALS OF DAWN - in our servers we can say these are non existent, while in other servers ppl can farm them. Problem with consumables, problem with rates, enchanting, melee lag, compounding ….. STRONGHOLD is not the problem …. whole economy in NAIA is broken NO1 PRODUCSES NEW WEAPONS/SETS/CLOAKS/CIRCLETS ETC ETC .. because of the casino everyone is just not participating or not gearing up atm. this dude just said it all!!! what is the point on gambling with such low rates? 2 packs of 75 scrolls to finally get to +2 !!!! and both legendary scrolls that came from the hero coins failed. game is just for those who already have everything and take part to the events out of boredom! the rest, even when we get something out of events or buy cheap sell for more market, will again buy their items from those 20 end game characters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnotherSummoner Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Harperz said: Where does he say he sold them for real money? Literally in the quote selling Items to buy Bitcoin or you cant add 2+2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harperz Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Quote I had 6 Greater Jewels, sold 3 (Sapphire6, 2x Ruby6) and I bought Bitcoin before the Halving in May-2020 read again please. i can read, you can't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L2bankrupt Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 they don't want new players, they just want to pay to the server this game is on the verge of bankruptcy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brishantina Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 On 10/4/2020 at 9:35 PM, Massacre said: @Juji Why this imbalance soo great ???? Top players (20 per server) are making 20-24b per day in isle of souls - stronghold and the rest ??? They are buying everthing to box characters... breaking market, prices rising A LOT. example: +7 elmore legendary cloak: before = 15b After: 30-35b +10 elmore legendary cloak: before = 25b After: 70-100b +15 elmore legendary cloak: before = 75-120b After: 250-380b don't you think about doing anything about it??? 20 players = 20-24b per day the rest: 50-300kk per day (what chance they have to buy something?) what balance is that?????? you dont have idea about market. The ncoin give u cloack price.(included the lower insane chance + low character lvl without luck trying to do) and the ncoin are increased in the las time... for demands to get *pass time zone (coal get the best amount) and cocktail). yesterday i see cloack +7 for 18b and 19b for example. i dont know what are u talking about.... bloody weapons +12 are 5b more expensive... no 60b with your equation price... The ppl with 24b per day is the ppl who buy ncoin from the new players and give chance to equip. this is the balance paygame wanna --------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordDragnil Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, brishantina said: you dont have idea about market. The ncoin give u cloack price.(included the lower insane chance + low character lvl without luck trying to do) and the ncoin are increased in the las time... for demands to get *pass time zone (coal get the best amount) and cocktail). yesterday i see cloack +7 for 18b and 19b for example. i dont know what are u talking about.... bloody weapons +12 are 5b more expensive... no 60b with your equation price... The ppl with 24b per day is the ppl who buy ncoin from the new players and give chance to equip. this is the balance paygame wanna --------------------------- what server are u playing on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brishantina Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, LordDragnil said: what server are u playing on? chronos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordDragnil Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 16 hours ago, brishantina said: chronos I knew it... Try to login in Naia and check market. You'll see where hardcore is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sesh2 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 9:02 AM, GhostintheShell said: 1 char per server would solve "world lag", end of story. who here actually only plays 1 character? don't everyone need at least an ISS? says the kid who has 14+ toons and 2 allied clans, and just has his toons sitting in town wasting server space and creating lag.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostintheShell Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) On 4/12/2020 at 7:11 AM, YetAnotherSummoner said: Selling IG Items for real life money is against the TOS. Admitting so on there own forum would be as stupid as buying bitcoin if the admins actually read these posts. Are you like for real? Hearsay does not evidence make. Anyone can claim anything and that is not evidence. Also, how do you know the medium of exchange for Bitcoin isn't English twigs or Poppi flowers? I got paid CoD Tanz6 225b using builtin L2 client, what say you? That seems very legit. Edited April 13, 2020 by GhostintheShell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sesh2 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 On 4/12/2020 at 7:11 AM, YetAnotherSummoner said: Selling IG Items for real life money is against the TOS. Admitting so on there own forum would be as stupid as buying bitcoin if the admins actually read these posts. only time admin come on here is to paste their weekly maintenance notes, or if some kid like liveson or ghostboi get their feelings hurt because of some1 chat other than that they don't care....you see all the actual bots? not macros, but bots....also, you ever reported a bot and still see them in game 2 months later at 110+ areas? yea they dgaf about cheaters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHOT Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 2:35 AM, Massacre said: @Juji Why this imbalance soo great ???? Top players (20 per server) are making 20-24b per day in isle of souls - stronghold and the rest ??? They are buying everthing to box characters... breaking market, prices rising A LOT. example: +7 elmore legendary cloak: before = 15b After: 30-35b +10 elmore legendary cloak: before = 25b After: 70-100b +15 elmore legendary cloak: before = 75-120b After: 250-380b don't you think about doing anything about it??? 20 players = 20-24b per day the rest: 50-300kk per day (what chance they have to buy something?) what balance is that?????? Such prices for cloaks because of miserable enchant rates. They were changed in 2018 during last week of Cloak event. Now to enchant cloak to +10 you need 200-300 scrolls. Price on market 170M each scroll - simple math and you'll get 34-51b only for enchant scrolls. Add price for Legendary cloak and you'll get same 60-70b. In 2018 during event I enchanted around 20 cloak +15 and 5 cloaks +18 - I used around 10k enchant cloak scrolls and around 100 Ancient enchant scrolls. During cloak event in 2019 - used 300 enchant scrolls and 10 ancient. Stopped because useless. During current cloak event 2020 I used 200 enchant scrolls and 10 ancient - ensured that chanced same low as last year and stopped. Such actions from NCsoft like changing enchant rates without announcement not motivating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sesh2 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 5 hours ago, EHOT said: Such prices for cloaks because of miserable enchant rates. They were changed in 2018 during last week of Cloak event. Now to enchant cloak to +10 you need 200-300 scrolls. Price on market 170M each scroll - simple math and you'll get 34-51b only for enchant scrolls. Add price for Legendary cloak and you'll get same 60-70b. In 2018 during event I enchanted around 20 cloak +15 and 5 cloaks +18 - I used around 10k enchant cloak scrolls and around 100 Ancient enchant scrolls. During cloak event in 2019 - used 300 enchant scrolls and 10 ancient. Stopped because useless. During current cloak event 2020 I used 200 enchant scrolls and 10 ancient - ensured that chanced same low as last year and stopped. Such actions from NCsoft like changing enchant rates without announcement not motivating. you paid real $ for a fake cloak...……….lol NCscam always winning you paychecks haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahhahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystikal Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Getting back to this topic. I agree. Do not change Isle of Souls drop rates/amount, or special adena boost skill. If anything, give us more mobs there and make other instances as lucrative, perhaps through drops of rare items. Anyway, I finally decided to test out IOS to see what I could earn. I bought max IOS Recharges. I already had drop rate/amount runes in my inventory. Unfortunately, I only have one character that is high enough level to enter the zone. I entered with only 1M adena in my pocket, leaving most of my adena in WH. Results? After full max recharge time was expended I was able to make 4.8B adena. I probably could have earned more if I picked a different spot where more mobs spawned. It goes without saying, if I had other characters that were 107, I would send them there, too, to maximize earnings. I'm not greedy. I'm already "rich". I'd be ok with making just ~5B a day in IOS. But if I was like other diehard gamers with squads of well-geared toons over 107, yeah, I could easily see them earning 20B a day or more. Some say having a few players with that kind of income ruins the market. I disagree. What ruins the market is rarity of items combined with very greedy market players. Surpluses usually drive prices down, curtailing demand...except when you factor in L2 sellers, who usually overprice things from the beginning. L2 players are the worst. Many of them would probably find themselves in court for unfair business practices, if not in jail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degus Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 On 4/14/2020 at 3:15 PM, Sesh2 said: you paid real $ for a fake cloak...……….lol NCscam always winning you paychecks haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahhahahahaha Ever gone to the movies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystikal Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 On 4/10/2020 at 5:35 PM, Massacre said: @Juji Why this imbalance soo great ???? Top players (20 per server) are making 20-24b per day in isle of souls - stronghold and the rest ??? They are buying everthing to box characters... breaking market, prices rising A LOT. example: +7 elmore legendary cloak: before = 15b After: 30-35b +10 elmore legendary cloak: before = 25b After: 70-100b +15 elmore legendary cloak: before = 75-120b After: 250-380b don't you think about doing anything about it??? 20 players = 20-24b per day the rest: 50-300kk per day (what chance they have to buy something?) what balance is that?????? It looks like they're "drastically reducing" the adena drop amount now on Isle of Souls. I sure hope for your sake that none of the "top players" that you referenced knows the names of any of your in-game characters. You just drew a HUGE bullseye on all of them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangomal Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mystikal said: It looks like they're "drastically reducing" the adena drop amount now on Isle of Souls. I sure hope for your sake that none of the "top players" that you referenced knows the names of any of your in-game characters. You just drew a HUGE bullseye on all of them. Someone is not gonna exp outside town for a LONG time hahhhahahahhaha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pomidor23op Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 In general, it would be nice that they figure out something to bring new players.. I am not saying that they should easily get the players playing for years, but right now after playing a month there is a simple conclusion, game is unplayable without spending a lot of $$. With the 3 gear U cant kill anything after lvl 105. If U get a party of noobies, U will get pked/force flagged in areas where U can get a normal exp. Raid bosses impossible. Instance impossible. As there are no materials/spoils U cant get things "the big ones" dont want to waste time for to get adena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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