Effective AOE skills for Summoners

[ProDigY]

I've been playing L2 since 2003 Beta. Trying to navigate the game in Korean was hard but I liked the challenge. I've always loved summoners; especially the Phantom Summoner/Spectral Master. Even though it became my first subclass because my first attraction was how powerful Spellhowler/Storm Screamers were. I was so excited to be able to not have to play 2 totally different toons in order to enjoy the game when subclasses were added to the game.

But now, the summoner classes don't have the same effectiveness as before. They've been reduced to afterthoughts. They used to be a dominant force in both mass PVE & PVP. Now they're not even a dominant force in everyday mass PVE.

For an example: Spectral Masters have no significant AoE damage. We were given 6 summon points for 3 servitors (which was fun) after only having one servitor for all of these years. Then that was taken away by reducing the number to 2 servitors (stop teasing us!). I guess to reduce server lag. Ok... I get that. We were given AoE debuffs with the Demonic Crucifix & Death Gate  (which are very useful) but then you make Spectral Lords & Soulless obsolete by not allowing us to continue upgrading them & introduce Banshee Queens & Dark Crusaders. By doing so, you've removed our options to use the Spectral Lord's Corpse Burst, Soulless Parasite Burst & its AoE attack. Invoke is an OK skill but it's lacking; it needs to be supplemented with servitor AoE damage.

I refuse to change my dual Spectral Master to another class because I'm holding on to a dream. I'm hoping NCsoft would return the summoner class to it's original glory. I know I'm not the only player who feels this way.

@Juji, @Hime & @Cyan. Could you please suggest this issue to the Devs? I think the L2 community would be excited to see all of the summoner classes being useful again. As of right now, they're boring to play. Compared to how we've enjoyed them in the past. 

[Quenia]

Hi,

I used to be a Summoner addict myself (started playing the class a bit bfr god introduced 2008/9) it is one of the most challenging classes that needs good coordination and game mechanics knowledge. Now is undoubtedly the worst class to play (even maestro got fixed) .

i understand your frustration (apart from SM all wynns are trashed), realistically there is nothing to be done, neither from Juji nor from any1 else in NCW as game balance is only kor Devs responsibility.

I have written blocks of text concerning wynn, tried to help many wynns and make suggestions concerning the class like this f.e.

https://forums.lineage2.com/topic/2631-wynns-rehabilitation-program/?tab=comments#comment-19568

... But i got tired of fighting and w8ing...

All in all i suggest you to accept the status quo and move on, so you can enjoy the game. I did the same thing with great difficulty and experienced the imbalanced state of the game.

L2 is NOT balanced and Wynn is definitely a dead class (at least outside oly) ... I hope it wasn't but it is and from the upcoming updates i do not see any great improvement.

Best regards,

Q.

Ps: I mean no offense, just a suggestion!

[ProDigY]

19 hours ago, Quenia said:

Hi,

I used to be a Summoner addict myself (started playing the class a bit bfr god introduced 2008/9) it is one of the most challenging classes that needs good coordination and game mechanics knowledge. Now is undoubtedly the worst class to play (even maestro got fixed) .

i understand your frustration (apart from SM all wynns are trashed), realistically there is nothing to be done, neither from Juji nor from any1 else in NCW as game balance is only kor Devs responsibility.

I have written blocks of text concerning wynn, tried to help many wynns and make suggestions concerning the class like this f.e.

https://forums.lineage2.com/topic/2631-wynns-rehabilitation-program/?tab=comments#comment-19568

... But i got tired of fighting and w8ing...

All in all i suggest you to accept the status quo and move on, so you can enjoy the game. I did the same thing with great difficulty and experienced the imbalanced state of the game.

L2 is NOT balanced and Wynn is definitely a dead class (at least outside oly) ... I hope it wasn't but it is and from the upcoming updates i do not see any great improvement.

Best regards,

Q.

Ps: I mean no offense, just a suggestion!

Nah.... I will never accept the status quo. Never in a video game or IRL. Not an option for me. Throughout 17 years of playing this game, I've seen classes get neglected & nerfed but then boosted later to OP status. This is why I'm asking @Juji, @Hime & @Cyan to bring this up to the Devs. Just like other classes in this game's past, the summoner class, too, can be reincarnated. 

For now, summoners are only missing their usefulness in party settings & lacking significant AoE damage. The Devs could bring back Mass Summon Phantom Cubics & give the newer servitors AoE skills. For examples: Dark Crusaders could use something similar to Corpse Burst &/or a Barrage of Nails type skill. Banshee Queens could be given a skill similar to the Yul's Multiple Arrows &/or Heavy Arrow Rain. Another servitor that operates like a tank with a shield would be cool too. It could be something similar to the Nightshade with a Superior Aggression Aura & Mass Lightning Strike Skill but equipped with a shield & cutter. 

Edited May 9, 2020 by ProDigY

[Rodah]

2 hours ago, ProDigY said:

Nah.... I will never accept the status quo. Never in a video game or IRL. Not an option for me. Throughout 17 years of playing this game, I've seen classes get neglected & nerfed but then boosted later to OP status. This is why I'm asking @Juji, @Hime & @Cyan to bring this up to the Devs. Just like other classes in this game's past, the summoner class, too, can be reincarnated. 

For now, summoners are only missing their usefulness in party settings & lacking significant AoE damage. The Devs could bring back Mass Summon Phantom Cubics & give the newer servitors AoE skills. For examples: Dark Crusaders could use something similar to Corpse Burst &/or a Barrage of Nails type skill. Banshee Queens could be given a skill similar to the Yul's Multiple Arrows &/or Heavy Arrow Rain. Another servitor that operates like a tank with a shield would be cool too. It could be something similar to the Nightshade with a Superior Aggression Aura & Mass Lightning Strike Skill but equipped with a shield & cutter. 

As a long time Maestro I feel your pain, I really do.  I had to switch classes to level up and then switch back when I reached a plateau. 

Having said that....... your not asking for AOE capabilities (for the most part), you're asking for RANGED AOE abilities.  I'm not really sure the class has ever been designed for that (except classic ES).  Yes, it would be nice if you had some limited AOE abilities but... Wynns are "supposed" to be kings of solo XP right?  If anything, your single target DPS should be boosted to the point where you can hunt pinks and reds.  

 

 

Edited May 9, 2020 by Rodah

[SirKiller]

All this they say, I have also been complaining through a ticket, because I see how our class has been less appreciated, update after update, and I also refuse to leave it, perhaps because of stubbornness or hope, because I understand that if the other classes update them Ours should not be left in the trash, we are a class that could contribute much more, but the developers are married to the magicians, archers and tyrr, this makes me very angry hahaha

[Biju]

I am also a summoner, and it is sad to see that the developers do not care about our class, I am still with the class, I hope that in a future update they can do something to improve, I like the summoner and do not want to switch to another one  class.

[ProDigY]

18 hours ago, Rodah said:

As a long time Maestro I feel your pain, I really do.  I had to switch classes to level up and then switch back when I reached a plateau. 

Having said that....... your not asking for AOE capabilities (for the most part), you're asking for RANGED AOE abilities.  I'm not really sure the class has ever been designed for that (except classic ES).  Yes, it would be nice if you had some limited AOE abilities but... Wynns are "supposed" to be kings of solo XP right?  If anything, your single target DPS should be boosted to the point where you can hunt pinks and reds.  

 

 

Nope. I'm asking for AoE skills. Summoners used to have AoE capabilities. Like I said before in my original post. But then, for some reason, they were taken away.

[Rodah]

2 hours ago, ProDigY said:

Nope. I'm asking for AoE skills. Summoners used to have AoE capabilities. Like I said before in my original post. But then, for some reason, they were taken away.

Wait what?  You literally asked for skills "similar to" Corpse Burst, Multiple Arrow, Heavy Arrow Rain, and Mass Lightning Strike???  I guess we can just agree to disagree.

[spearmint]

only AOE you will have is in naviarope form for all summoners.

 

if You are and elemental master like me you have aoe unicorns which are useless since all the nerfs to summons damage removal of bbsps and whole new ilconceived stats and transfer for summoners.  they really effed up summoners by making pets base on pattack yet make us a wizard class with low str stat. The could probably fix a lot by making summoner warrior class nto wizard coz we have zero damage nuke to warrant being a wizard.

 

[Quenia]

Apart from SM the nature of wynn's skilks is fine. Power needs to be fixed, like tyrrs.

The main problem is ITEMS. All new gamebreaking items boosted DD classes significantly. Unfortunately on wynn they do not affect the main source if its DPS... Its PETS. Not in a proportion that matters.

Apart from that Wynn has no role in pt anymore. He clearly can't compare to DD classes. Even though he has the tools to play other roles in a pt, semi tank, debuffs, disabler, its abilities are too weak to be viable (compare wynn to druid in wow) .

Imagine that instead of DPS he could use his tank pets and apply mass CW with his new loyalty mechanic?.

It is a pity that the class is left to die.

 

Edited May 10, 2020 by Quenia

[ProDigY]

8 hours ago, Rodah said:

Wait what?  You literally asked for skills "similar to" Corpse Burst, Multiple Arrow, Heavy Arrow Rain, and Mass Lightning Strike???  I guess we can just agree to disagree.

Spectral Lords used to have Corpse Burst. It was a powerful skill. I was clearing rooms in Catacombs & Necropolises with just one or two shots. The Nephilim were weak to the skill. I'm asking for them to give the skill back.

Banshee Queens have arrow type attacks. It would make since to give them a skill that behaves like Multple Arrow or Arrow Rain. Why not give AoE attacks to Banshees? Soulless have a similar AoE magic attack which covers the same distance but they are obsolete at Lv.101+.

Dark Crusaders have dagger type attacks. So similarly it would make since to give them Barrage of Nails. Corpse Burst could be given to Dark Crusaders &/or Banshee Queens because they're also demons like Spectral Lords.

So yeah. We can just agree to disagree...

Edited May 10, 2020 by ProDigY

[ProDigY]

1 hour ago, ProDigY said:

Spectral Lords used to have Corpse Burst. It was a powerful skill. I was clearing rooms in Catacombs & Necropolises with just one or two shots. The Nephilim were weak to the skill. I'm asking for them to give the skill back.

Banshee Queens have arrow type attacks. It would make since to give them a skill that behaves like Multple Arrow or Arrow Rain. Why not give AoE attacks to Banshees? Soulless have a similar AoE magic attack which covers the same distance but they are obsolete at Lv.101+.

Dark Crusaders have dagger type attacks. So similarly it would make since to give them Barrage of Nails. Corpse Burst could be given to Dark Crusaders &/or Banshee Queens because they're also demons like Spectral Lords.

So yeah. We can just agree to disagree...

Also, Spectral Masters used to have Lightning Strike. It was from a cubic but I see no reason to not have Mass Lightning Strike for the new tank servitor.

Edited May 10, 2020 by ProDigY