Whats wrong with the players these days???

[Boret0]

Today i had to pk 10+ players who legit use 10 exp scrolls and shit to just sit there and leech from my pt THE ENTIRE DAY, legit just spoiling stealing exp, it's just crazy and now i'm stuck with 4h debuff and unable to tp, because i tried to bleeping defend my pt from the griefers who just soak up my exp? How is this fair, let me defend myself and revert the pk changes, IT'S bleepING INSANITY.

[Nymphadorae]

Well the system is pretty much explained here: https://forums.lineage2.com/topic/18555-pk-system-changes-632020/

And as you said, the issue is not the system, but the players. You can create a wynn to mark them to 1 HP and wait for the mobs to finish the job or create a character just for PK, if you don't want to PK with your main 

[mixa]

Currently it's counterproductive to PK, just adjust to the changes and nympha gave two good options to couple with this stuff.

[KissMyKnife]

3 hours ago, Boret0 said:

Today i had to pk 10+ players who legit use 10 exp scrolls and shit to just sit there and leech from my pt THE ENTIRE DAY, legit just spoiling stealing exp, it's just crazy and now i'm stuck with 4h debuff and unable to tp, because i tried to bleeping defend my pt from the griefers who just soak up my exp? How is this fair, let me defend myself and revert the pk changes, IT'S bleepING INSANITY.

are you a noob? ok listen, if he spoiling your mobs, just stop killing monsters

[Vassy]

I saw you on the map in Blazing Swamp. I guess it was you. There is no such thing as "this is my spot" there. It's fight for survival because of the quest. It's bad that ppl don't put manner on but everyone is doing it because ppl are greedy, otherwise there is no way to finish the quest. It's bad idea to stay there only for xp. Just do the quest and leave(not the exalted one). Instead go to mines every day. 

[MalumInSe]

20 hours ago, Vassy said:

I saw you on the map in Blazing Swamp. I guess it was you. There is no such thing as "this is my spot" there. It's fight for survival because of the quest. It's bad that ppl don't put manner on but everyone is doing it because ppl are greedy, otherwise there is no way to finish the quest. It's bad idea to stay there only for xp. Just do the quest and leave(not the exalted one). Instead go to mines every day. 

Actually, "manner on" is broken. I've seen it a number of times with some of my characters. You can still hit and kill someone else's mob with "manners" engaged on your macro. It doesn't work 100%,

[Anything]

10 hours ago, MalumInSe said:

Actually, "manner on" is broken. I've seen it a number of times with some of my characters. You can still hit and kill someone else's mob with "manners" engaged on your macro. It doesn't work 100%,

That is because there is no other valid target within target range so it engages on the mob currently selected.
No one said the macro system is actually coded in a clever way to disengage a mob and avoid hitting it because if NCSoft would actually account for these things i would applaud their attention to details and thinking outside of the very limited box they got.

[Vassy]

15 hours ago, MalumInSe said:

Actually, "manner on" is broken. I've seen it a number of times with some of my characters. You can still hit and kill someone else's mob with "manners" engaged on your macro. It doesn't work 100%,

Not really.  You see, next target is actually calculated before you kill your current mob. That's why most of the time when you have another player close to you when he starts hitting the mob that is next target for you most if the time you start hitting "his" mob and if you hit hard you can kill it with 1-2 hits. It's very possible the heavy lag to be a reason too..

[MalumInSe]

5 hours ago, Vassy said:

Not really.  You see, next target is actually calculated before you kill your current mob. That's why most of the time when you have another player close to you when he starts hitting the mob that is next target for you most if the time you start hitting "his" mob and if you hit hard you can kill it with 1-2 hits. It's very possible the heavy lag to be a reason too..

I'd see your point, except the people hunting around me also have manner on. If everyone has manner on, then the minute the system selects that next target for you should automatically force the other characters to roll over to a different target, whether that's a melee or ranged character. But it doesn't. Not all of the time. I've seen my character kill not just the next target, but the third, fourth, sixth, whatever target that had already been engaged by another player.

You can test this for yourself. Go to an isolated hunting ground with 2-3 of your alts, all out of party. Make one of them an archer, but only use single target skills -- no AOE. Put each character in Manner Mode On status then let them hunt. You will definitely see your characters hitting the same mob quite often, even though they're not supposed to, if Manner Mode is working. 

[Anything]

Lag of this server certainly does have a factor in it, on other territory without lag i observe a more correct behavior even within a crowd as it quickly selects another as soon damage that is not yours is seen on the mob.
Problem still remains if there is nothing within targeting range.
If a attack action was already engaged no matter if it was a skill or regular /attack action your character still will kill that mob even if the target has been cleared instead of halting any action or stopping to hit as soon as possible.

[Vassy]

What I observe so far if I don't have huge lag the moment I kill my target my next one is calculated probably seconds before that. And I engage to attack my next target. But if someone already started hitting my next target my char will stop hitting and my char will stay still until my next target is available. It's more like whoever initialate the first hit wins the mob if you are both with manner on. If you don't have.. well you win everytime and it's a matter of last hit for the quest item.

The truth is that blazing swamp is really small area for range chars..

Edited June 9, 2020 by Vassy
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[Helvie]

you probably will not notice that at blazing swamp because mobs there are rather weak, but the manner mode is bugged in more than one way. In 105+ areas I keep dying every time I use it while I never die from mobs in those areas without the manner mode. From what I noticed, I hit a mob and it starts hitting me (it nukes from a distance), but for some reason my target changes to a different mob (probably someone else had the mob on their target first), but the mob keeps hitting me while my character never attacks it and as a result it dies.

I don't know if people did that to me on purpose or not, but I had to stop using manner mode.

[Teribeth]

4 minutes ago, Helvie said:

you probably will not notice that at blazing swamp because mobs there are rather weak, but the manner mode is bugged in more than one way. In 105+ areas I keep dying every time I use it while I never die from mobs in those areas without the manner mode. From what I noticed, I hit a mob and it starts hitting me (it nukes from a distance), but for some reason my target changes to a different mob (probably someone else had the mob on their target first), but the mob keeps hitting me while my character never attacks it and as a result it dies.

I don't know if people did that to me on purpose or not, but I had to stop using manner mode.

In Bloody Swamp and Abandoned Coal Mines when you are farming fine as a mele toon(passive non-social Mobs)... a Sigel or Tyrr comes by pulling mobs for Yul, pickup Mobs in your Area... but they are pulling too many too far and when they lose agro on a few they are now social and they will all attack you if you were hitting even 1 of them previously(and with manner mode you will only attack the ones you were hitting before they got pulled)

In solo Dungeons like Kimerian or Kartia you have to turn off manner mode because if your NPC supports hit a Mob first you will not attack it unless your support dies.

If they could fix manner mode for parties, so that the Party Leader's next target is assisted by everyone in the party, rather than just allowing party members to hit the same mobs then your auto-hunt parties would stick together instead of wandering off in different directions all the time(then it would make sense to party with someone who is just hitting random loose mobs looking for a spot instead of PKing them... at least in Blazing Swamp/War-Torn Plains where the quest item is more important than the XP)

[Teribeth]

Or if Party Leader has an invisible Token system selecting multiple Next Targets for the whole party, and party members would attack nearest Token marked Mob. (too late to edit ^^)

[Vassy]

Never stay on macro in mines - problem solved. It's time limited zone and you need to get the maximum.

[Teribeth]

1 hour ago, Vassy said:

Never stay on macro in mines - problem solved. It's time limited zone and you need to get the maximum.

OK, you missed the point... I'm not AFK while macroing in mines, I was offering a possible explanation to @Helvie why they are getting attacked by Mobs which they won't Target back while on manner mode(really when the pullers lose agro the mobs should lose the social group status and reset to non-claimed for manner mode on the way back to their spawn areas, but this is just like Training Mobs to Grief weaker players) Typical AoE parties that do this are why people need to turn off manner mode... and if you are single targeting due to basic gear then you'll usually get pulled to the AoE DD when they agro your 1 Mob... and they get Pissed off and PK you.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Teribeth

[Slycutter]

As an archer with my own buffer and spoiler in party sometimes I kill faster single target than aoe and they assist me.  I turn off manner mode because all it takes is one group of idiots to stop you from xping.  I had a party that kept pulling my mobs the other day.  So i taught them a lesson in don't let appearances fool you,  they were aoeing mobs as a 7 member party.  I started aoeing all their mobs and stealing 80% of their xp after 20 minutes realizing 1 archer was out damaging their whole party they let me go back to my safe farming and stopped pulling my mobs.  Its not that I couldnt aoe the mobs but it was safer for me not to risk dying every 30 minutes if buffs run out at the wrong time as some buff items you cannot use until they full expire IE roses.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Slycutter