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@Juji @Hime Real talk: When are we going to bring back summoners into the meta? As far as I can tell right now, their damage is below average, their nukes do hardly anything compared to a normal smack, and overall they're just left feeling gimped compared to every other class... C'mon, let them at least have a fighting chance to ensure that people play a wide variety of classes and can pick the preference that suits them best. Even fully geared, they're still underdeveloped as compared to every other DD class. Please, give the class a fighting chance!

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The summoners do not scale correctly like everyone else.   for some reason we have pets that are stuck at 110 and we cant NOT Over enchant them to make them higher level but yet players are 115.  Summoners cant xp in higher zones because of this and in pvp other players whos dmg scales correctly can one shot the pets without issues. 

Please remove the pvp dmg reduction for pets thats in place as well  , as of now pets do reduced dmg to players and its such a nerf that you only do 1k crit to players, and rarely seen anything higher.  Not sure how that works when players hitting others for 100k or 500k dmg ....... FIX THE SUMMONERS 

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21 hours ago, Get2ThePoint said:

Summoners had their time. Their day is done. 

 

 

Summoners had the shortest day in this game for a DD. If you didn't bot your summoner up when they first came out you missed the extra summons. By the time those of us that actually spent time lvling them got them up they were nerfed and they haven't been the same since. Nukers got power and its been years, Archers got power and its been years, daggers got power and its been years...get the drift. They messed summoners up and they never looked back. By the time they give them back any kind of power the game will probably shut down. 

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8 hours ago, Ganealf said:

Summoners had the shortest day in this game for a DD. If you didn't bot your summoner up when they first came out you missed the extra summons. By the time those of us that actually spent time lvling them got them up they were nerfed and they haven't been the same since. Nukers got power and its been years, Archers got power and its been years, daggers got power and its been years...get the drift. They messed summoners up and they never looked back. By the time they give them back any kind of power the game will probably shut down. 

Been playing since C2, so I know the history already. And no, I never botted. I stopped playing my summoner during the last update. Not because it was ineffective, but out of sheer boredom. For what it's worth, I never thought that Summoners should have been considered in the same category as a pure DD. They were hybrids, so yeah, hybrids should have long stretches where they can't keep pace with archers, nukers and daggers. NCSoft's devs must be on the same page.

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10 hours ago, Get2ThePoint said:

Been playing since C2, so I know the history already. And no, I never botted. I stopped playing my summoner during the last update. Not because it was ineffective, but out of sheer boredom. For what it's worth, I never thought that Summoners should have been considered in the same category as a pure DD. They were hybrids, so yeah, hybrids should have long stretches where they can't keep pace with archers, nukers and daggers. NCSoft's devs must be on the same page.

Dumb comment,

Summoner doesn't have any support skills, therefore they are a DD not a hybrid.

I can balance summoner by changing like 2 numbers in the code.

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10 hours ago, weinerthezon said:

Dumb comment,

Summoner doesn't have any support skills, therefore they are a DD not a hybrid.

I can balance summoner by changing like 2 numbers in the code.

Dumbest comment ever. They support their summons. By the way, for the record, a hybrid class by definition is any that can play more than one style. That is summoner all day every day.  

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You chose a stupid class cuz it was cheap to play, delete this class, all it does is promote rmt bots and clutters up towns near npc's.  I know there a a few that actually play this class, 2% I'll bet, but the rest, come on.......

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On 19/6/2020 at 11:49 AM, CaptainSmiles said:

@Juji @Hime Real talk: When are we going to bring back summoners into the meta? As far as I can tell right now, their damage is below average, their nukes do hardly anything compared to a normal smack, and overall they're just left feeling gimped compared to every other class... C'mon, let them at least have a fighting chance to ensure that people play a wide variety of classes and can pick the preference that suits them best. Even fully geared, they're still underdeveloped as compared to every other DD class. Please, give the class a fighting chance!

I am a summoner of main, Elemental summoner, EM has freezen invoke skill (need much rune stone 4 rs lvl 99, 101 8 + 8 +8 is to much, but which can be enchanted with power, and is a very powerful debuff, and cherrub unicorns have 2 aoe, a very powerful debuff. I have it set as a warrior, and obviously with items that give him warrior things, even the cape, but the power of the wynn does not compare at all with other DDs with the same equipment. Against the feohs or yull you are only a piece of paper, it has nothing to do, even the feoh the markas do not affect them practically, since they do not take HP and the MP they take away from them is very little, and on top of that they kill you 1 hit pet, you don't even get to use invulnerability.

 

if you want to resist in pvp, you have to put all ap skill, and dual class skill, in defense mode and HP, unlike other classes wynn does not have passive skills to decrease critical damage, and Transfer pain, for some reason it does not protect it as much as that of the necro. I have even used the cancer agathion, which has a 20% reflec buff but it is a lie, it does not reflect 20% of the damage they do to the pet, if so, they would all die when attacking. I really don't know how it works. The other possibility is to put even the dys in INT, armor ROBE, SA in the for wiz weapon, and cooperate with the party aoe and debuff, it could be an option, having 2 magic aoe skills with a very short reuse, plus the 2 aoe from the ponies, it is 4 AOE skill.

As they put in the other post, I have not wanted to leave the wynn either, but I'm afraid there is no option now, neither Juji, or Hime, nor any of them can do anything now because wynn is a broken class.

 P/D: i use google traslate, sorry. 

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1 hour ago, Amatherasu said:

EM has freezen invoke skill (need much rune stone 4 rs lvl 99, 101 8 + 8 +8 is to much, but which can be enchanted with power, and is a very powerful debuff, and cherrub unicorns have 2 aoe, a very powerful debuff.

Freezing Invoke is nice, but it is not feasible for regular farm since it consumes a lot of ores.

As for those aoe skills ... LOL, they are everything but powerful. They do not even scratch mobs and I'm saying this as someone who's been playing an EM as main for way over a decade.

The main problem is that the wynn scales horribly at higher levels. Very expensive gear gives it little to no benefit, while a normal DD gets a nice boost at the same time (for example, 15% crit dmg for your pet is in fact only 15% of that 15%). I made a test when the exalted gear was introduced:

1. tested hunting dmg/speed/efficiency with my gear (+12 bloody retri 3SA, +10 Blessed Leather Set)

2. tested hunting in the same area with exalted retri and armor

There was little difference, definitely not worth the time and adena it cost me to obtain those items.

Another issue is that most new fancy items that nc soft comes up with do not help wynns at all, you get skill power and other stuff that does not help wynns, even the homunculus system and Tanga (P ATk) is a joke, since in order to activate the communion skill you have to use a regular attack x_O

Edit: since I'm only 107 I was not aware that we get no pets after lvl 110, this is another joke on us, since we do have lvl 119 locations and such! Thank you NC Soft for the great and well-thought design.

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10 hours ago, Degus said:

You chose a stupid class cuz it was cheap to play, delete this class, all it does is promote rmt bots and clutters up towns near npc's.  I know there a a few that actually play this class, 2% I'll bet, but the rest, come on.......

When GoD came I had a Doomcryer, OL, SwS, BD on different accounts. But they were making all of them into the same ISS(with many changes later that I had no clue about). So, when I awaken I made one of the many possible iss's into a Summoner. They seemed  to have the potential to be a good DD, and they were. But, everybody said they were to powerful, to many summons , did to much dmg. So the fix was suppose to be, just have 2 summons but with close to the same dmg. Oh they really really &^#*&@ that up. And they haven't been the same since. Yeah they are used by those types that we can't mention, but my toon is 16yrs old, and I can never go back to the OL that it once was, or the summoner that it could have been. So nope, no deleting of my oldest toon, and I'll keep hope alive. 

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14 hours ago, Ganealf said:

So nope, no deleting of my oldest toon, and I'll keep hope alive. 

These newbies don't understand the work old-skoolers put in back when the game was an actual fun game; full of skilled players. Instead of this online casino platform we have today.

They achieve Lv.85 within minutes & buy Ncoin for instant gratification. It took us years to get Lv.85 & endless hours of farming to obtain gear. 

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On 6/23/2020 at 12:11 PM, Degus said:

You chose a stupid class cuz it was cheap to play, delete this class, all it does is promote rmt bots and clutters up towns near npc's.  I know there a a few that actually play this class, 2% I'll bet, but the rest, come on.......

yeah right come over in naia and test my wynn on 1v1 wynns are still in place 

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16 hours ago, Alchohealer said:

you should know wynns is not cheap class i am geared and i can deal more than a tyrr or archer deals :) 

Yes, but this is more the exception than the rule. Give just about any class top gear and it will seem like they are competitive PVE. But it's an illusion. If you think your Wynn is awesome, put that same equipment on a same level pure DD. They will kill faster than your Wynn, especially as you increase to higher levels.  

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My main is a 107 Feoh Archmage. My dual is a (LOL) 100 Wynn Arcana Lord. Haven't played it in years and have no desire to do so. I've thought about switching to another class but to what...  another Feoh .. have one... healer.. no thanks. Don't really care at this point.

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1 hour ago, Sharlanna said:

My main is a 107 Feoh Archmage. My dual is a (LOL) 100 Wynn Arcana Lord. Haven't played it in years and have no desire to do so. I've thought about switching to another class but to what...  another Feoh .. have one... healer.. no thanks. Don't really care at this point.

I am the opposite of you with 106 Wynn main, but 108 Feoh dual. xD I haven't played that character much in months. It was fun when I first created him many years ago, but I got bored with both classes. 

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