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Hello Adventurers,

We have taken action against players exploiting a location that was intended to be inaccessible during castle sieges with the My Teleport system. The castle owner has been removed and the castle has been reset back to NPC status.

We will continue to take action against those who exploit inaccessible locations and will look into more ways of further preventing abuse.

Thank you. 

 

 

3-7 days ban? Castle owner removed?

- not good for bizness (the bad toons banned cannot spend NCCOIN during ban)

- there is no pain at all O.o

 

Perma ban?

- NO!!!! you do not remove your customers (I need them to keep paying to support this server, else i cannot play anymore)

 

 

May i suggest a nicer more meaningful (painful) penalty 

- ALL toon involved get De-Leveled by 2 levels :D

 

This way

- NCsoft get to keep current customer (and sell more vit pots)

- bad Toons will feel the pain

- rest of player will feel the pain also and think twice before doing exploits

 

 

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Better idea: Banhammer Scrolls. 

They work like this...

First, ban the player and all characters on the account. Roll back any trades or other transactions completed after the incident that led to the ban. Strip their characters naked and lock personal inventory and WH so that nothing can be equipped or consumed, traded, transferred, dropped or sold. Set a 7 day timer on the seal with countdown start after ban is lifted. Any items that are still sealed by the time the 7 day clock expires disappears from inventory and cannot be restored in any fashion. Don't bother with restoration ticket, they won't save you.

Next, introduce new unseal Banhammer Scroll to the L2 Store that allows them to unlock 1 "normal" item for 40,000 Ncoins before the clock runs out. Items that are aggregated like dyes, adena, most materials, spirit/soulshots, etc., are unsealed only one item at a time. For example, if you have 10 EWRs in your inventory, you have to buy 10 Banhammer Scrolls to unseal all of them. Or if you have 500 billion adena in your inventory at time of ban, you will need 500 billion Banhammer Scrolls to unlock all of that adena.  "Special" items like Dragon weapons require a Special Banhammer Scroll that costs 120,000 Ncoins, completion of a one-time quest through an NPC, and approximately half the dragon claws and mats necessary to create a standard dragon weapon. Because it's a one-time quest, any subsequent bans means that a player will not be able to restore their "special" items, no matter how many Banhammer unseal scrolls they buy.  Oh, by the way, that quest is timed, too.  If not completed successfully in an hour, you'll have to wait until the following day to restart the quest again. Don't feel bad. The quest is meant for a full party to finish, but the quest item is totally random and doesn't always drop in the first hour, or second, or 48th hour. Ok, I'll be honest: the quest item drops at such a low rate that a person could farm the quest mobs 24/7 for a month and not get one quest item. Really, really, really, really low odds. But not impossible. Fortunately you only need 5 of them, but the quest items can't be traded and disappear if you don't complete the quest in an hour.

Crazy? Ridiculous? What, are you saying that no banned player will be able to unseal all of their items before they go "POOF!"???  Of course. That's the point. Players would learn not to willingly engage in exploits the hard way. Just one time would be fatal.

But if they do have the money to unseal all of their stuff, NCSoft will be made whole from all of the pricey Banhammer Scroll sales. No more problem of lost revenue. And holiday bonus for GM team would be so nice! :D

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3 hours ago, Get2ThePoint said:

Better idea: Banhammer Scrolls. 

They work like this...

First, ban the player and all characters on the account. Roll back any trades or other transactions completed after the incident that led to the ban. Strip their characters naked and lock personal inventory and WH so that nothing can be equipped or consumed, traded, transferred, dropped or sold. Set a 7 day timer on the seal with countdown start after ban is lifted. Any items that are still sealed by the time the 7 day clock expires disappears from inventory and cannot be restored in any fashion. Don't bother with restoration ticket, they won't save you.

Next, introduce new unseal Banhammer Scroll to the L2 Store that allows them to unlock 1 "normal" item for 40,000 Ncoins before the clock runs out. Items that are aggregated like dyes, adena, most materials, spirit/soulshots, etc., are unsealed only one item at a time. For example, if you have 10 EWRs in your inventory, you have to buy 10 Banhammer Scrolls to unseal all of them. Or if you have 500 billion adena in your inventory at time of ban, you will need 500 billion Banhammer Scrolls to unlock all of that adena.  "Special" items like Dragon weapons require a Special Banhammer Scroll that costs 120,000 Ncoins, completion of a one-time quest through an NPC, and approximately half the dragon claws and mats necessary to create a standard dragon weapon. Because it's a one-time quest, any subsequent bans means that a player will not be able to restore their "special" items, no matter how many Banhammer unseal scrolls they buy.  Oh, by the way, that quest is timed, too.  If not completed successfully in an hour, you'll have to wait until the following day to restart the quest again. Don't feel bad. The quest is meant for a full party to finish, but the quest item is totally random and doesn't always drop in the first hour, or second, or 48th hour. Ok, I'll be honest: the quest item drops at such a low rate that a person could farm the quest mobs 24/7 for a month and not get one quest item. Really, really, really, really low odds. But not impossible. Fortunately you only need 5 of them, but the quest items can't be traded and disappear if you don't complete the quest in an hour.

Crazy? Ridiculous? What, are you saying that no banned player will be able to unseal all of their items before they go "POOF!"???  Of course. That's the point. Players would learn not to willingly engage in exploits the hard way. Just one time would be fatal.

But if they do have the money to unseal all of their stuff, NCSoft will be made whole from all of the pricey Banhammer Scroll sales. No more problem of lost revenue. And holiday bonus for GM team would be so nice! :D

Agree but I didn’t even read . The text is just 2 big make sure next time to make it 98% smaller . 

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5 hours ago, Get2ThePoint said:

Better idea: Banhammer Scrolls. 

They work like this...

First, ban the player and all characters on the account. Roll back any trades or other transactions completed after the incident that led to the ban. Strip their characters naked and lock personal inventory and WH so that nothing can be equipped or consumed, traded, transferred, dropped or sold. Set a 7 day timer on the seal with countdown start after ban is lifted. Any items that are still sealed by the time the 7 day clock expires disappears from inventory and cannot be restored in any fashion. Don't bother with restoration ticket, they won't save you.

Next, introduce new unseal Banhammer Scroll to the L2 Store that allows them to unlock 1 "normal" item for 40,000 Ncoins before the clock runs out. Items that are aggregated like dyes, adena, most materials, spirit/soulshots, etc., are unsealed only one item at a time. For example, if you have 10 EWRs in your inventory, you have to buy 10 Banhammer Scrolls to unseal all of them. Or if you have 500 billion adena in your inventory at time of ban, you will need 500 billion Banhammer Scrolls to unlock all of that adena.  "Special" items like Dragon weapons require a Special Banhammer Scroll that costs 120,000 Ncoins, completion of a one-time quest through an NPC, and approximately half the dragon claws and mats necessary to create a standard dragon weapon. Because it's a one-time quest, any subsequent bans means that a player will not be able to restore their "special" items, no matter how many Banhammer unseal scrolls they buy.  Oh, by the way, that quest is timed, too.  If not completed successfully in an hour, you'll have to wait until the following day to restart the quest again. Don't feel bad. The quest is meant for a full party to finish, but the quest item is totally random and doesn't always drop in the first hour, or second, or 48th hour. Ok, I'll be honest: the quest item drops at such a low rate that a person could farm the quest mobs 24/7 for a month and not get one quest item. Really, really, really, really low odds. But not impossible. Fortunately you only need 5 of them, but the quest items can't be traded and disappear if you don't complete the quest in an hour.

Crazy? Ridiculous? What, are you saying that no banned player will be able to unseal all of their items before they go "POOF!"???  Of course. That's the point. Players would learn not to willingly engage in exploits the hard way. Just one time would be fatal.

But if they do have the money to unseal all of their stuff, NCSoft will be made whole from all of the pricey Banhammer Scroll sales. No more problem of lost revenue. And holiday bonus for GM team would be so nice! :D

wow, this is an excellent idea, but knowing nc and the lack of creativity, I'd be happy to see just perma ban and transaction rollback xD

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How the hell could they know that the teleport point was intended to be unaccesdible? It has been used since ages and nobody ever complained.

Then suddenly it becomes an exploit...

If they had know it was an exploit i dont think 40 players top geared would have risked it... or you think they are crazy msybe

True is that GM can do whatever they want and so if you have a lot of gear you are at risk to get screwed for something you didn't know it was a violation...

Your 30,40,50k of investment can be destroyed in one second for a good faith mistake... if this is not scary to you, it is to me..

Many or all of the banned toons play since years and had never received a single warning... so the punishment was completely disproportionate ....

 

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3 minutes ago, Endlesswar said:

How the hell could they know that the teleport point was intended to be unaccesdible? It has been used since ages and nobody ever complained.

how could they know? easy. its called thinking. use your brain. what other active siege zone can you use a myteleport into? 

 

4 minutes ago, Endlesswar said:

If they had know it was an exploit i dont think 40 players top geared would have risked it... or you think they are crazy msybe

desperate people do desperate things... not much more to say.

I suspect they were purely baking on power in numbers, combined with some group think of a few individuals influencing the others to think it was ok.

MS: "Well I know they banned people in the past for this, but surely they wont ban us all, I mean, look how much money we spend."

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The game with the most bugs who never get fixed no matter what . I bet juji is laughing right now And ms getting banned maybe it was intended to merge finally naia and chronos . Soon we should see transfers up . Lets all just laugh hahahah  

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57 minutes ago, Endlesswar said:

How the hell could they know that the teleport point was intended to be unaccesdible?

You dont need to know even walking on all this xyz crazy off road terrain paths can  get you banned .

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3 hours ago, Endlesswar said:

How the hell could they know that the teleport point was intended to be unaccesdible? It has been used since ages and nobody ever complained.

Then suddenly it becomes an exploit...

If they had know it was an exploit i dont think 40 players top geared would have risked it... or you think they are crazy msybe

True is that GM can do whatever they want and so if you have a lot of gear you are at risk to get screwed for something you didn't know it was a violation...

Your 30,40,50k of investment can be destroyed in one second for a good faith mistake... if this is not scary to you, it is to me..

Many or all of the banned toons play since years and had never received a single warning... so the punishment was completely disproportionate ....

It was an exploit in the first place. Scarce complaints and oversight by moderators and/or developers do not entitle people to a free pass on exploits. Would you rather have them put aden siege on hold until they fix the known exploit? You know, like cursed swords and latency issues have been swiftly taken care of /s. When lots of paying customers are involved it's natural for a business to look the other way, until the lack of rule enforcement is so blatant that they are forced to take action. Do you see Juji or Hime responding to any of these posts? No? Probably because they couldn't give less of a rat's backside about the whole deal and they would much rather "keep the peace" and not have this complaint excrement-fest in the first place. I don't blame them. Their hand was forced when a bunch of people thought it was okay to use an ages old exploit out in the open and for everyone to see and record.

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5 hours ago, Endlesswar said:

How the hell could they know that the teleport point was intended to be unaccesdible? It has been used since ages and nobody ever complained.

Then suddenly it becomes an exploit...

If they had know it was an exploit i dont think 40 players top geared would have risked it... or you think they are crazy msybe

True is that GM can do whatever they want and so if you have a lot of gear you are at risk to get screwed for something you didn't know it was a violation...

Your 30,40,50k of investment can be destroyed in one second for a good faith mistake... if this is not scary to you, it is to me..

Many or all of the banned toons play since years and had never received a single warning... so the punishment was completely disproportionate ....

 

Well the clan leader never used the jump and ran from town legit like each time he died... he is one of the only ones not banned hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Well it is a very upsetting situation. As I said most people who did the my teleport there were in good faith. We would not have risked a ban situation if we had knew. We are talking of more than half million of usd toons gear.

The zone was not "unaccessible" in any way nor any specific warning was given with regard to this boundary area. We usually make teleports at the boundary of all castles. This time was no different in our mind.

So you really think that we were so desperate to defend Aden castle to risk all our efforts and usd spent during years of hard work?

The answer is no no no never.

As to the gravity of the punition, is just crazy. I have never received even a warning in 3 years with any of my toons... and suddenly for the first violation, a heavy punition.

It is not a matter of the castle, nor it regards the 7 days. It is just unacceptable to be subject to a punition and to public shame for a good faith mistake. 

Moreover is scary and unacceptable that you can loose all the stuff that you have put in this game for a problem of the game itself. And we did not have the chance to defend ourselves... just ban and stfu....

I dont believe it is a fair way to treat customers who have invested more passion, time and money than what is reasonable for a game.

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Endlesswar said:

Well it is a very upsetting situation. As I said most people who did the my teleport there were in good faith. We would not have risked a ban situation if we had knew. We are talking of more than half million of usd toons gear.

The zone was not "unaccessible" in any way nor any specific warning was given with regard to this boundary area. We usually make teleports at the boundary of all castles. This time was no different in our mind.

So you really think that we were so desperate to defend Aden castle to risk all our efforts and usd spent during years of hard work?

The answer is no no no never.

As to the gravity of the punition, is just crazy. I have never received even a warning in 3 years with any of my toons... and suddenly for the first violation, a heavy punition.

It is not a matter of the castle, nor it regards the 7 days. It is just unacceptable to be subject to a punition and to public shame for a good faith mistake. 

Moreover is scary and unacceptable that you can loose all the stuff that you have put in this game for a problem of the game itself. And we did not have the chance to defend ourselves... just ban and stfu....

I dont believe it is a fair way to treat customers who have invested more passion, time and money than what is reasonable for a game.

 

 

The location you have used my teleport to is not accessible during siege unless you run through the battlefield, which makes the access much more complicated. Also, you cannot walk to this location from anywhere else, but from the front side, that's why it's an exploit.

You better be thankful that you didn't get what you've deserved - a permanent ban, since ncw is kinda soft to cheaters.

Also you and those who used this exploit cannot be considered a trustful or anything more than a bottom line random. You're bound to be put to a shame too, but this is up to the server population.

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I didn't think 1 second it was an exploit. Certainly I'm not a pro at this game and it was a good faith mistake.

I feel that you are full of bitterness, hate and probably jealousy for what we have achieved as clan...

I'm just trying to give a rational to what happened and you insult me with personal attacks.

My history in game talks for itself so relax and if you reply, keep cool. In the end is just a game. No need to be so agressive.

 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Endlesswar said:

I didn't think 1 second it was an exploit. Certainly I'm not a pro at this game and it was a good faith mistake.

I feel that you are full of bitterness, hate and probably jealousy for what we have achieved as clan...

I'm just trying to give a rational to what happened and you insult me with personal attacks.

My history in game talks for itself so relax and if you reply, keep cool. In the end is just a game. No need to be so agressive.

 

 

 

This is an opinion, not a personal attack. If it was, I could have asked or said way harsher things.

MS in my book has never achieved anything, always ther underdog and harboring the most toxic players there was. Can't see how I can be bitter about it. On the other hand you are bitter as it gets, since your were cought using an exploit and banned, the MS clan in general was cought doing it and everything shattered.

Your history in game is gone, poof, cheaters are cheaters and will be known being such.

 

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17 hours ago, Endlesswar said:

Well it is a very upsetting situation. As I said most people who did the my teleport there were in good faith. We would not have risked a ban situation if we had knew. We are talking of more than half million of usd toons gear.

The zone was not "unaccessible" in any way nor any specific warning was given with regard to this boundary area. We usually make teleports at the boundary of all castles. This time was no different in our mind.

So you really think that we were so desperate to defend Aden castle to risk all our efforts and usd spent during years of hard work?

The answer is no no no never.

As to the gravity of the punition, is just crazy. I have never received even a warning in 3 years with any of my toons... and suddenly for the first violation, a heavy punition.

It is not a matter of the castle, nor it regards the 7 days. It is just unacceptable to be subject to a punition and to public shame for a good faith mistake. 

Moreover is scary and unacceptable that you can loose all the stuff that you have put in this game for a problem of the game itself. And we did not have the chance to defend ourselves... just ban and stfu....

I dont believe it is a fair way to treat customers who have invested more passion, time and money than what is reasonable for a game.

 

 

No offense EndlessW but why you keep bringing up that you guys invested Money? Its a Free to Play Game, You did not buy property. You do not own anything. your not forced to spend Money. Rules are Rules. Maybe you should read them again.  

You should not have Trusted whoever told you its okay to Port there to begin with.

If your Mad. be mad at who told you to port there and tell him/her to refund your lost investment but do not come here saying Nc West is Bad. 

You seem to be a Good Person reading your Posts but knowning your Clan, Full of ksers, pkers, lowbie griefers, scammers, yeah that alone should put you to Shame but you stayed there. What does this say about you? You ignore the Bad Attitude of your Clan towards Others aslong as your on the Winning/gaining Side!?

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On 25/6/2020 at 11:49 PM, Endlesswar said:

How the hell could they know that the teleport point was intended to be unaccesdible? It has been used since ages and nobody ever complained.

Then suddenly it becomes an exploit...

If they had know it was an exploit i dont think 40 players top geared would have risked it... or you think they are crazy msybe

True is that GM can do whatever they want and so if you have a lot of gear you are at risk to get screwed for something you didn't know it was a violation...

Your 30,40,50k of investment can be destroyed in one second for a good faith mistake... if this is not scary to you, it is to me..

Many or all of the banned toons play since years and had never received a single warning... so the punishment was completely disproportionate ....

 

They no have idea are the  inacesible point for my teleport and are xploit ? They no have idea rules l2? 10+ years are imposible teleport closed castel and they  search 1 point closed castel for jump/sumon teleport (buged) and they don tell to admins are a ban 4ever. And you tell  use Years? suficient motive for 4ever ban here and in all server Piarte and oficials are same rules. They not New in l2 for no have idea. You joke.

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17 hours ago, Endlesswar said:

Well it is a very upsetting situation. As I said most people who did the my teleport there were in good faith. We would not have risked a ban situation if we had knew. We are talking of more than half million of usd toons gear.

The zone was not "unaccessible" in any way nor any specific warning was given with regard to this boundary area. We usually make teleports at the boundary of all castles. This time was no different in our mind.

So you really think that we were so desperate to defend Aden castle to risk all our efforts and usd spent during years of hard work?

The answer is no no no never.

As to the gravity of the punition, is just crazy. I have never received even a warning in 3 years with any of my toons... and suddenly for the first violation, a heavy punition.

It is not a matter of the castle, nor it regards the 7 days. It is just unacceptable to be subject to a punition and to public shame for a good faith mistake. 

Moreover is scary and unacceptable that you can loose all the stuff that you have put in this game for a problem of the game itself. And we did not have the chance to defend ourselves... just ban and stfu....

I dont believe it is a fair way to treat customers who have invested more passion, time and money than what is reasonable for a game.

 

 

Bla bla bla  here the victim :P  Cry cry  for only 7 days ban. And its normal not recived  warning at moment. Warning are depend gravity   you broke rule. You broke big rule direct ban  and not advicement. You broke small rules Admins warning you few times and finaly ban. But you crye for only 7 days ban. And Stop victim  all use this bug and have idea can baneable for used,You just thought you were untouchable for donating thousands of $ for this reason all take risk "Im big spender ncsoft never  ban me they need my money"  you have luck for no have got Ban 4ever in  other server you take ban and all your acounts in your IP.

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On 6/26/2020 at 4:11 AM, Endlesswar said:

Well it is a very upsetting situation. As I said most people who did the my teleport there were in good faith. We would not have risked a ban situation if we had knew. We are talking of more than half million of usd toons gear.

The zone was not "unaccessible" in any way nor any specific warning was given with regard to this boundary area. We usually make teleports at the boundary of all castles. This time was no different in our mind.

So you really think that we were so desperate to defend Aden castle to risk all our efforts and usd spent during years of hard work?

The answer is no no no never.

As to the gravity of the punition, is just crazy. I have never received even a warning in 3 years with any of my toons... and suddenly for the first violation, a heavy punition.

It is not a matter of the castle, nor it regards the 7 days. It is just unacceptable to be subject to a punition and to public shame for a good faith mistake. 

Moreover is scary and unacceptable that you can loose all the stuff that you have put in this game for a problem of the game itself. And we did not have the chance to defend ourselves... just ban and stfu....

I dont believe it is a fair way to treat customers who have invested more passion, time and money than what is reasonable for a game.

 

 

Half a million in USD that should be a banable offense

 

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