L2 Team Neutron Posted June 30, 2018 L2 Team Share Posted June 30, 2018 Hello Adventurers! Below you’ll find a few noteworthy items and updates coming in the month of July. Security Update In our ongoing efforts to combat unauthorized 3rd-party tools, we’ve invested into a completely new security solution. When the security update is live, GameGuard will no longer be required to connect to the servers. A new tool will take the place of GameGuard and be required to install and run to continue playing Lineage II. There will be an unspecified break-in period with the new tools—we’ll be monitoring and troubleshooting issues it may cause, such as disconnections or update errors and compatibility with certain applications. The decision to make this change came with the goal of having greater control over our security tools, and allowing us to react much quicker to existing and emerging cheat tools. Ancient Cloaks Return in July After a lot of feedback about the difficulty in upgrading the cloaks, a revision to the Ancient Cloak System will be introduced. Server Transfers As a reminder, server transfer applications will be available again next Thursday, July 5, and transfers will resume Wednesday, July 11. Yours, The Lineage II Team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnCycle Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Really hope it works! That's really big news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleistoros Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 I gotta say this...regarding ancient cloaks and your nccoin store promos I end up admiring your marketing team. They are one of the best I have ever seen. Ps: paying 3 000-5 000 usd worth adena for a useless dragon fragment its something . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Neutron said: Ancient Cloaks Return in July After a lot of feedback about the difficulty in upgrading the cloaks, a revision to the Ancient Cloak System will be introduced. There was feedback even from the first promo, players wasted 200-300 scrolls and got nothing! Some promos are not designed to be hard, as your GM's say, while answering a ticket - by using a template, but almost impossible, which is not fun at all. Refund scrolls,make it easy to enchant, close the pvp/pve gap on the field, you have two servers left at this very day! Fighting enemy clans and monsters by using Credit Card is not fun at all, you can see it sickens more and more players every day Manage Chronos and Naia well, or suffer the disaster! Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaesia Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 12 hours ago, Neutron said: a revision to the Ancient Cloak System will be introduced. This revision means that it gonna be even more harder now ? Or more expensive ? I've seen that answer from gm's is always the same: Evrything is working as it should, so now You trying to say that is not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devoid Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 12 hours ago, Neutron said: Hello Adventurers! Below you’ll find a few noteworthy items and updates coming in the month of July. Security Update In our ongoing efforts to combat unauthorized 3rd-party tools, we’ve invested into a completely new security solution. When the security update is live, GameGuard will no longer be required to connect to the servers. A new tool will take the place of GameGuard and be required to install and run to continue playing Lineage II. There will be an unspecified break-in period with the new tools—we’ll be monitoring and troubleshooting issues it may cause, such as disconnections or update errors and compatibility with certain applications. The decision to make this change came with the goal of having greater control over our security tools, and allowing us to react much quicker to existing and emerging cheat tools. Ancient Cloaks Return in July After a lot of feedback about the difficulty in upgrading the cloaks, a revision to the Ancient Cloak System will be introduced. Server Transfers As a reminder, server transfer applications will be available again next Thursday, July 5, and transfers will resume Wednesday, July 11. Yours, The Lineage II Team Re Ancient Cloaks: You'd better introduce a hefty compensation system for those whole already have those cloaks; or alternatively just give everyone level 6 brooch and jewels as a 'revision' to how hard it is to compound jewels. Otherwise that is double standards and given the history of NA management involvement in shady deals with players, this looks like another one. Re Security update: Due to ongoing fatal issues with GG in far east, there are no official servers where you must be running GG in order to play L2. This applies to RU/EU, which never used GG, as well as NA, which did have some periods where GG was mandatory, but at the moment of speaking, it isn't. So the security update changes NOTHING regarding GG. And you can quote me on that, I am currently playing on Korea (incl. PTS), Taiwan and Japan without GG without any problems. Regarding anticheat tools, one would expect that they would get more advanced as time goes by and technologies are getting more complex/powerful, but as BattlEye shows, most anticheat developers are nothing but slackers who try to avoid any form of learning or real job. All they can come up with is "hey, this user has MS SysInternals Process Monitor! [application name] should refuse to execute! (c) Themida/WinLicense"; "hey, windows registry shows Easy File Locker is installed! [application name] should refuse to execute! (c) BattlEye" or "hey, OpenText SOCKS Client is trying to inject a DLL to facilitate internet access, let's block it so the application is permanently offline (c) BattlEye". There are "anticheat" tools that actually block windows task manager while a game is running. I sincerely hope this would not be case with the upcoming update, because attacking/stigmatizing random 3rd party applications while dedicated cheat developers evade detection immediately after an update is released only shows how the anticheat developers have no understanding on how Windows OS and application processes work and show that they are completely unwilling to learn anything about it. Because if it is, that would effectively mean needing a designated computer for playing Lineage II. I wonder how many people would even considering bothering themselves with something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oeste Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 21 minutes ago, Devoid said: Re Ancient Cloaks: You'd better introduce a hefty compensation system for those whole already have those cloaks; or alternatively just give everyone level 6 brooch and jewels as a 'revision' to how hard it is to compound jewels. Otherwise that is double standards and given the history of NA management involvement in shady deals with players, this looks like another one. Of course not!, giving a compensation over a decision you made while you knew it was a hard to make item is not going to happen!, people knew the odds and yet decided to go ahead and gamble on them. I believe the system changes will involve introducing a plateau just like the circlets, once you upgraded to legendary the cloak cannot go below +10, the might even add another plateau at +15 (would not make to much sense but ok), so when u add the second augment it cannot go below 15. Current existing highly enchanted cloaks will drop price a lot. Bye Ferios +18 at 280b more like 75b or less. All in all I am in the camp of making items much more accessible to anyone, big investors got early start, now older items like shirts (which btw when the hell are we getting shirts!?) should be cheap and available to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsVSkills Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Security updates are always welcome . Even if they catch 1 it’s a success . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devoid Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Oeste said: Of course not!, giving a compensation over a decision you made while you knew it was a hard to make item is not going to happen!, people knew the odds and yet decided to go ahead and gamble on them. I believe the system changes will involve introducing a plateau just like the circlets, once you upgraded to legendary the cloak cannot go below +10, the might even add another plateau at +15 (would not make to much sense but ok), so when u add the second augment it cannot go below 15. Current existing highly enchanted cloaks will drop price a lot. Bye Ferios +18 at 280b more like 75b or less. All in all I am in the camp of making items much more accessible to anyone, big investors got early start, now older items like shirts (which btw when the hell are we getting shirts!?) should be cheap and available to all. In L2, making items cheap and available to all destroys the status quo which said you cannot obtain high value equipment without serious gambling. Now, all of a sudden making cloaks have 100% enchant rate until +15 and giving nothing to people who already have cloaks @ +1-+15 is something you do if you really want to alienate your player base and/or cause mass exodus. The question you so skillfully evaded is why the people with cloaks should be penalized, but people with brooches/greater jewels enjoy their uncontested status quo? Why? Because they were out of $$$ at the time of promotion and now should get the cloaks for free? 1 hour ago, HandsVSkills said: Security updates are always welcome . Even if they catch 1 it’s a success . You seem to be missing the point. A security update that blocks your ability to open Windows Task Manager while a game is running, but that does absolutely nothing against cheats (catching 0 of them), that is NOT a success, that would merely be a very distasteful joke played on us. Of course, I expect it to be something notably better than that, but still the part of "catching at least 1" seems to be unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaliyah Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 @Devoid stop crying. You might lose some value but nerfing L2Store is always a good move. Buffed L2Store is the most important reason people quit this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devoid Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, Aaliyah said: @Devoid stop crying. You might lose some value but nerfing L2Store is always a good move. Buffed L2Store is the most important reason people quit this game. Once again, you try to misrepresent the entire point I am trying to make. This is not nerfing L2Store (a complete revision of ncoin/hero coin prices would be), it is benefiting a select group of players so that their status quo would remain untouchable. If I had known this, I would also have ignored the cloaks entirely and rather picked another group of commodities to purchase. And as I said, this is by far not the first or the second time certain players get benefits at the expense of everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ali Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 this game is already broken.. theres nothing to do vs credit card players... i was an active pvp player... now i cant compete vs +20 ferios, +23 weapons, greater rubys.. dragon weapons.... thats why l2 is dead.. and the result is merge servers... ppl dont leave bc the game is boring.... ppl leaving bc cant spend the amount of money that game require to play it. anyone try to do altar with +5 +6 +7 normal weapons? no... u dont even get invited to any party with that weapon.. so the only ppl left to play is the one that spend alot of money to do pve and pvp. when DH destroy max... i can smell a new merge ... and when ncsoft put dragon claws for hero coins or something... thats gonna be the end of this l2 server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liinu Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Devoid said: Re Ancient Cloaks: You'd better introduce a hefty compensation system for those whole already have those cloaks; or alternatively just give everyone level 6 brooch and jewels as a 'revision' to how hard it is to compound jewels. Otherwise that is double standards and given the history of NA management involvement in shady deals with players, this looks like another one. I want compensation 'cause I spent months in ketra 10 years ago exping 78-79! Now I can do it with fortune pockets in few minutes. Let's say 3 months in Ketra, 3k €/month... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oeste Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Devoid said: In L2, making items cheap and available to all destroys the status quo which said you cannot obtain high value equipment without serious gambling. Now, all of a sudden making cloaks have 100% enchant rate until +15 and giving nothing to people who already have cloaks @ +1-+15 is something you do if you really want to alienate your player base and/or cause mass exodus. The question you so skillfully evaded is why the people with cloaks should be penalized, but people with brooches/greater jewels enjoy their uncontested status quo? Why? Because they were out of $$$ at the time of promotion and now should get the cloaks for free? You seem to be missing the point. A security update that blocks your ability to open Windows Task Manager while a game is running, but that does absolutely nothing against cheats (catching 0 of them), that is NOT a success, that would merely be a very distasteful joke played on us. Of course, I expect it to be something notably better than that, but still the part of "catching at least 1" seems to be unlikely. The status quo is there is mass exodus already because people can't compete. The other reason causing mass exodus is people investing hundreds of dollars without getting anything, it's just pure old fashion gambling. Since this game should not be an online casino, a change introducing plateaus in the enchanting process would be not only welcomed but also fair. The rest is the natural progression of things: a new item is more expensive when it's launched, as it becomes more and more accepted by everyone prices drop, finally when the new item is old and has lost it's novelty, it's time to move on so they become mainstream and cheap. This is the only way they can do it to top players spending in the game, while at the same time closing the player gap to some extent. I spent hundreds in my cloak (Aden +15 with +14% critical augments) and sold it 2 days before the announcement out of pure luck, (mainly because I wanted to get a Ferios cloak). Now i will remain without a cloak and waiting to see how prices drop as I'm sure they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oeste Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 37 minutes ago, 3ali said: this game is already broken.. theres nothing to do vs credit card players... i was an active pvp player... now i cant compete vs +20 ferios, +23 weapons, greater rubys.. dragon weapons.... thats why l2 is dead.. and the result is merge servers... ppl dont leave bc the game is boring.... ppl leaving bc cant spend the amount of money that game require to play it. anyone try to do altar with +5 +6 +7 normal weapons? no... u dont even get invited to any party with that weapon.. so the only ppl left to play is the one that spend alot of money to do pve and pvp. when DH destroy max... i can smell a new merge ... and when ncsoft put dragon claws for hero coins or something... thats gonna be the end of this l2 server. Really, who has a +23 weapon, come on you talk like +23 weapons were the norm, they are not. Dragon weapons, they are still rare, the fragments dropped in this promo are useless. Maybe in the future when a claw event comes that will change but come on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devoid Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 57 minutes ago, Liinu said: I want compensation 'cause I spent months in ketra 10 years ago exping 78-79! Now I can do it with fortune pockets in few minutes. Let's say 3 months in Ketra, 3k €/month... Except when NEW CONTENT is added, be it new items/item grades/quests/etc., it does create a shift in the market, because there are new ways to do things, or the items that used to be relevant are no longer as sought after. The change that is being done NOW has nothing to do with this. There is no new content, no obsolescence of content, no L2Store time limited promo, no alternative ways to obtain something, only making literally a few select items much cheaper that they used to be when they were initially introduced recently. If this isn't DIVINE INTERVENTION (this isn't even a major game update), then I don't know what else could qualify. 38 minutes ago, Oeste said: The status quo is there is mass exodus already because people can't compete. The other reason causing mass exodus is people investing hundreds of dollars without getting anything, it's just pure old fashion gambling. Since this game should not be an online casino, a change introducing plateaus in the enchanting process would be not only welcomed but also fair. The rest is the natural progression of things: a new item is more expensive when it's launched, as it becomes more and more accepted by everyone prices drop, finally when the new item is old and has lost it's novelty, it's time to move on so they become mainstream and cheap. This is the only way they can do it to top players spending in the game, while at the same time closing the player gap to some extent. I spent hundreds in my cloak (Aden +15 with +14% critical augments) and sold it 2 days before the announcement out of pure luck, (mainly because I wanted to get a Ferios cloak). Now i will remain without a cloak and waiting to see how prices drop as I'm sure they will. So you would directly benefit from this, hence why you defend this choice. I already told you EVERYTHING. Obsolescence-over-time concept was REMOVED from L2 by the time R99 was introduced. All newly introduced new slot or best for a specific equipment slot items can only be achieved by gambling. Your statement "this game should not be an online casino" is ridiculous, because the gameplay in NA is designed for this game to be an online casino. Most of the top tier items CANNOT be achieved in ANY way except by being lucky (remember the "spent 5k USD not even a single level 5 jewel" thread?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draecke Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 pending the nature of the changes on the cloaks I totally agree with Devoid as if the existing cloaks value will be devaluated due to this then a compensation is indeed required for those that actually did spend (in some cases really) fortunes to aquire one - failing to do so proves NCWest is an unrelaible business partner and as explained before this is the most expensive L2 Export Territory of them all so if NCWest wants to allianate their remaining "big spenders" then by all means please continue EU/RU or their Classsics servers are more then happy to take over their business. imagine you bought a ferrari and a week later the same ferrari price list value is 50% less then you will also call right away with their Sales HQ and demand recompensation or ensure you & your connections will never shop there again. core basic sales 101 - for sustaining & retaining customers you need to be proven reliable long story short: love to see these cloaks changes implemented in such way that it won't alienate the existing player base that did spend on the previous cloak events Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiccUps Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 @Draecke "proven and reliable" in the same sentence as L2 With respect to L2 moving fwd => Those who bought cloaks and managed to get +15, +18 have had them for a period of time and that gave them an obvious huge advantage for that time. To keep cloaks at same success rates etc does what = protects gap & REDUCES PLAYERS CONTINUOUSLY. It does not bring down prices to encourage more buyers. So, either people want to act like sheep resting on the laurels of a couple players....or they want to narrow gaps.....I came back, spent, then gave up attempting to narrow gap because of idiotic %s etc....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmD Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Whoever is thinking about a compensation well he hasn't played in here for real. Well they can give you some angel's cat buff. 5 hours ago, Devoid said: (remember the "spent 5k USD not even a single level 5 jewel" thread?). That was 3 years ago when a lvl 5 jewel was the top. I could be wrong but that player is on ru now with 2 dragon weapons for less than 500 usd. Now if you don't have at least 4 lvl 6 you're out from the top parties. Talking about cloacks + 20 and dw +23. This game is so broken that they didn't an elemental shirt promo since 2 years ... and that's really encouraging for everyone who wants to log in as a new player or as a returning player. The cows are already in why bother with newbies' promos. Lets be honest. We never had infos in here. The only infos about everything came from innova. Everytime Draecke or Yidao have to dig in on their forums to understand what an item should do. Now who's so mad to play in a server which costs x 5? Only the ones who have invested too much money in here. I would like miso to update his thread about how much do you need to play in here. If this new system is the frost one well neutron and conguero are promoted to geniuses. Innova does all the work and ncwest gets all the profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsVSkills Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 6 hours ago, Draecke said: pending the nature of the changes on the cloaks I totally agree with Devoid as if the existing cloaks value will be devaluated due to this then a compensation is indeed required for those that actually did spend (in some cases really) fortunes to aquire one - failing to do so proves NCWest is an unrelaible business partner and as explained before this is the most expensive L2 Export Territory of them all so if NCWest wants to allianate their remaining "big spenders" then by all means please continue EU/RU or their Classsics servers are more then happy to take over their business. imagine you bought a ferrari and a week later the same ferrari price list value is 50% less then you will also call right away with their Sales HQ and demand recompensation or ensure you & your connections will never shop there again. core basic sales 101 - for sustaining & retaining customers you need to be proven reliable long story short: love to see these cloaks changes implemented in such way that it won't alienate the existing player base that did spend on the previous cloak events It’s Only a game . don’t be mad guyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaliyah Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 This thread is salty and people who cry are like Kaiba from the video below: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikopol Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 The game dies, there are already 2 servers only and in the next 2 years will be only one or close at all . You had to wake up with something like that when the game went over to F2P, because doing it now will neither increase the number of players nor cause players to stop quitting the game.Do you want to stop players or recruit new ones?1. Start doing normal events, where drop event items are normal and not 0.001%. I remember the P2P time where the events had a normal drop and not as it is now.2. Stop adding items to l2store that can not be obtained normally in the game either from a drop or from quests.3. And that's the most important invest in advertising (it's the simplest and the best option to hit new customers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaliyah Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 @Nikopol we are getting of subject but the thing is that it's not about them understanding what needs to be done. It's about the players accepting the facts. NCSoft doesn't care enough for Lineage II, otherwise they wouldn't be failing for 6 years. They are doing just fine in the stock market, which means Lineage II is not important. In traditional business when the customer base shrinks, businesses increase prices in order to achieve profit maximization since the remaining customers are willing to pay more. (Aka those who spend a lot, they don't make the game free, they make it more expensive). In game business there are factors that don't exist in traditional business. Most players understand that the game needs to be truly free to play and not "truly free to play". If you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiccUps Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 @Oeste "sold it 2 days before the announcement out of pure luck"...others sold tauti weaps for 20b just a day or two before tauti's put in rewards (mkt dropped to 10b overnight) - L2 has a history of some front-running the announcements.....*cough* friends in high places *cough...puke* And to all the cloak owners who want reimbursement => you own a 5 yr old kia with 50 dollar per gallon gas.....compensation LMFAO *wishes I get compensation to cash me out* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draecke Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 realism on how things works is better then wishful thinking imo.. NC knows very well not to suddenly devaluate equipement players have invested alot into, it's the main reason we still have no new armor & weapon gear past R99 as when the Korean Devs asked their players if they wanted that they all voted NO as what happened at Godess aka R/R95/R99 introduction the change from the old top gear to that went to sudden and they really disliked that with huge consequences on activity levels of their servers.. also as you guys know very well by now, if not go reread that reddit topic on how the real "free2play" aka pay2win works, those that spend money tend to be more of an influence then those that don't so how many here disasgree with me and actually spend over 1~2K USD per year minimum on L2 ? cause if you don't then guess what your voice doesn't count as much.. cold hard realism as NC is just here for the money so as per my post above they better find a Golden Mid way that makes both the non/low as wel the medium to big spenders happy - in particulairly obviously the latter category cause those pay their salaries etc. ah and this stuff ain't nothing new btw funny how we're about to get another cloak event apperantly in like what 1 year time while most ppl are nowadays asking for shirt type event ? why not use that commonsense feedback results, apply the improvements on new events going forward and start with something we haven't had already in the last say 6~9 Months ? would be a win win for everyone if this were to happen with the new shirt event aka make it easier for players to get a +7 or better Shiny/Magic/Physic shirt as well those Dragon Shirt stuff that we know is going to happen sooner or later as well - make it easier for everyone to get new items going forward in such a way that gives something good for both low budget & wealthy players now that would be a true positive change imo - see I can be a dreamer too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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