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Yidao    127
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50 minutes ago, beleaua said:

Hime is active since many years ago on Aion forum but mostly with weekly messages and responses to f.a.q. She is also presenting and responding on streams when a new big update comes in that game but never saw her responding to random threads. So don't expect any response here, not only that because she doesn't do that but because I doubt very much if she knows much about L2.

 

Ah well ...

On a positive note, it's Monday, Neutron might have recovered from his Independence Day vacation and slowly crawl back into the office. On Monday mornings they have their weekly meeting, but by the Californian afternoon we will maybe get an official response. As several people have pointed out, this is about real money that might go down the drain.

For everybody:
The deletion script is originally the same for all versions, but individual territories can ask the developers to exclude certain items from deletion. NCJapan might have done precisely that for the old Zodiac Agathions:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2094&start=120#p38282

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4 hours ago, Yidao said:

 

Ah well ...

On a positive note, it's Monday, Neutron might have recovered from his Independence Day vacation and slowly crawl back into the office. On Monday mornings they have their weekly meeting, but by the Californian afternoon we will maybe get an official response. As several people have pointed out, this is about real money that might go down the drain.

For everybody:
The deletion script is originally the same for all versions, but individual territories can ask the developers to exclude certain items from deletion. NCJapan might have done precisely that for the old Zodiac Agathions:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2094&start=120#p38282

I think, that NCWest should start to pay you.

Why ?

Your's knowlage about game, and as well your ability to search information on other Lineage 2 provider's webs made yourself more competent than whole NCWest staff including Neutron.

But, in NCWest staff you are so "uncomfortable" person, who trying to keep player's eyes open.

Instead to make "open politics" NCWest has "close door" one. They even do not bother to reply to player's base asks.

in their oponion good customer: Do not ask and pay more,

In those times this approach to the consumers cause, that many people left and many will leave.

in first years of Lineage 2, we had not so many MMORPG games.

Now, we " thousands" MMORPG. So competition is big.

Look, at TOP MMORPGs Games, and teach how u should proceed with players to make them happy.

PS. I know, that is is big probabylity, that this post will be deleted.....

 

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MalumInSe    4
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Maybe a good idea to start a thread on the items that players would like to keep. I know most of them have to go for whatever reason, but if there's one or two items that keeps coming up in the poll, then maybe the GMs can push to spare those from the chopping block. One thing is for sure, my WH and inventory is about to get a lot emptier.

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Yidao    127
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The Fishing System will be changed in the upcoming update. In Korea the old Stews were at first still in the game, but you couldn't "eat" them any more, just sell them back to a Fishing Guild Member:
http://lineage2.power.plaync.com/wiki/구원의+장+Final%3A+에티나의+최후+시스템#hd109493 (Korean)
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2051&start=100#p37297 (English)

In that case, as with the old Baits etc., the deletion is just a final clean-up after a one-month grace period. I would say that's a reasonable step.

 

With the Entrance Passes: Embryo Command Post you might not even notice the deletion. As DIL has pointed out on Rochand, there are several items of that name, but all with different ID numbers. DIL checked the IDs for his version and found that the Entrance Passes which will get deleted are not the ones which are sold in the Innova L2Store. It would be really important that Neutron does the same for the L2Store at NCWest. It is not intended that this source of revenue gets deleted; the developers just want to get rid of some old trash from an ancient event in Korea. But accidents do happen. Better take the time to check the IDs now than deal with the outrage after the update, having to identify and refund players who lost their passes.


The Energy Drinks don't exist in the Korean L2Store. Putting them in the deletion script might just have been an attempt to clean out trash from the client, the developers in Seoul simply having forgotten that NCWest actively sells them. Therefore it would be important that Neutron gets in contact with the developers right now and explains to them that NCWest needs those drinks in the client. To be on the safe side - interaction with the developers can take many weeks - I would strongly recommend to remove the Energy Drinks from the L2Store until this question has been cleared up. Letting customers spend money on items that might go up in smoke after a month or two is improper business conduct.


As far as the old Zodic Agathions are concerned, the Japanese servers seem to be doing quite well with them still in game. I don't see any reason to delete them. Keep in mind, Korea has a different Agathion System with Seed Bracelets where you can socket several Agathion Charms:

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http://lineage2.power.plaync.com/wiki/아가시온

Until NCWest changes fully to that system I would recommend to keep the old Agathions in the game.

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Neutron    31

Hello,

When we get all the information for the next update ready we will review what kinds of items are deleted and impact it will have, among other things.

Basically we need time to translate, plan and test the changes before we will confirm it. 

In general if we see something that's going to have a negative impact we will do what we can to address it in advance.

Thanks

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Truffle    71
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1 hour ago, Neutron said:

Hello,

When we get all the information for the next update ready we will review what kinds of items are deleted and impact it will have, among other things.

Basically we need time to translate, plan and test the changes before we will confirm it. 

In general if we see something that's going to have a negative impact we will do what we can to address it in advance.

Thanks

Sooo NCwest confirming here they have the build for Orfen patch and are preparing for release? @Neutron

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Wow, an actual response from a GM!  Didn't say anything except they don't have an answer, but still very nice to hear from them.  Please, Neutron, provide more information when you have it, well before implementation, so people can plan accordingly.  Also, please answer as to the requests to immediately remove any items from the L2Store that will be deleted in the next update.

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Posted (edited)

 Well,

u can add Avenger's Will toogle to the list

i waited 3 months to get information, that, patch notes was bad translated.

From Neutron post, we can deduce, that they still didnt get any files from Korea.

So, like I said new update will be in September/October

Coz, NCWest first of all need to get those files>translate them>Test? them>etc.etc.

Neutron can u explain us:

Why you are geting(as NCWest) those files so late ?

Why you can send somone from your staff to speak with us on this forum ?

Why we are soo abadoned  here? and only Yidao infrom your player's base, what we can expect in next updates?

Why we need to search infromation on another Lineage providers, not on our ?

and why we should still play here if we do not deserve to your staff attention?

I know, that it is less than 1% to get reply trom you, but it shows your's approach to the customers.

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Alaesia    16
1 hour ago, OneWingedAngle said:

 Well,

u can add Avenger's Will toogle to the list

i waited 3 months to get information, that, patch notes was bad translated.

From Neutron post, we can deduce, that they still didnt get any files from Korea.

So, like I said new update will be in September/October

Coz, NCWest first of all need to get those files>translate them>Test? them>etc.etc.

Neutron can u explain us:

Why you are geting(as NCWest) those files so late ?

Why you can send somone from your staff to speak with us on this forum ?

Why we are soo abadoned  here? and only Yidao infrom your player's base, what we can expect in next updates?

Why we need to search infromation on another Lineage providers, not on our ?

and why we should still play here if we do not deserve to your staff attention?

I know, that it is less than 1% to get reply trom you, but it shows your's approach to the customers.

v62XrD8.png

They get it late because need to remove items which should be able to get by playing for l2 store. 

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Yidao    127

Exactly. Like for example in Korea you can obtain and upgrade Zodiac Agathion Charms through Fishing:

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http://lineage2.power.plaync.com/wiki/아가시온#hd107962

This can not be tolerated at NCWest.

The problem here is that with the upcoming update the Fishing System will be changed, the Fish Stews being replaced by Fresh Fish dishes which don't add to your base stats (STR, CON etc.) but directly to P.Atk., M.Atk. or whatever. What with the different Agathion System over here, NCWest can't simply have the Fishing Guild Members' dialogue screen translated, but the developers in Seoul must remove the Agathion links, the Zodiac Cube and whatnot. This takes time, then it must be tested whether that "localization" doesn't wreak havoc with other features of the game ...

Of course there are other factors like the linguistic proximity between Japanese and Korean resp. the Chinese loanwords in the Korean language making localization for those territories easier (like translating from Dutch into German or Swedish), but basically it is greed which is at the root of all evil :D

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Draecke    245
16 hours ago, Neutron said:

Hello,

When we get all the information for the next update ready we will review what kinds of items are deleted and impact it will have, among other things.

Basically we need time to translate, plan and test the changes before we will confirm it. 

In general if we see something that's going to have a negative impact we will do what we can to address it in advance.

Thanks

It's quite simple, ensure that all L2store items are not removed from game or put replacement / refund process in place and this concerns not only the Zodiac agathions/charms but also the Energy Drinks..

btw leaving those items in the L2Store while knowing they get deleted from server very soon is kind of shady

All the players are asking here is a confirm amply in advance of what will be removed and in case if major player impact (any item that was paid for by NCoins comes to mind) will be refunded etc.

Communications is key!

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Yes, communication is the key.  And, after much shaming and begging we got a reply.  True, it contained no information, but you wanted information, too?!  Apparently, that's unreasonable.

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Conguero    113
5 hours ago, Draecke said:

It's quite simple, ensure that all L2store items are not removed from game or put replacement / refund process in place and this concerns not only the Zodiac agathions/charms but also the Energy Drinks..

btw leaving those items in the L2Store while knowing they get deleted from server very soon is kind of shady

All the players are asking here is a confirm amply in advance of what will be removed and in case if major player impact (any item that was paid for by NCoins comes to mind) will be refunded etc.

Communications is key!

We do not have that confirmation as of yet. We'll inform you as soon as possible.

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Solaris    0

the only thing that NcSoft care is players to buy Ncoins....don't care for anything else .... if people stop buying maybe then NcSoft start to pay attention to players... Good night all  have fun :)

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Solaris    0
39 minutes ago, Conguero said:

We do not have that confirmation as of yet. We'll inform you as soon as possible.

this year ????

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MalumInSe    4

Thanks Neutron and Conguero for the replies.

On an unrelated note, you guys have a major sh**storm brewing in one of the other threads. Something about GMs playing favorites. Good luck! ;)

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