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xCaim

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@Juji I believe there was a mistake only the player who kills the monster, receives L2 Coin and the other members of the party, receive 0
It makes no sense.
And I wish I could go back and buy 1,000 Spirit Ores a day for 100k adena.
Please fix it

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And again you fooled us haha...

How come you really think we won't notice an Adena drop rate decrease or L2 Coin decrease!?!?

You can't even admit it in the first place and let us know about things like that in the patch notes? What's even worse is that you push out even more players that can't invest 500 € each month to stay VIP 10. Which is not even close enough staying competitive.... Look at the Live servers: Same concept -> Gamble to Win and how many ppl are still playing? 100? Wow gj! Playing this game since Open Beta and you keep surprising me every month again lol

Now finally figure out a way to not nerf the normal players just because you can't handle the RMT Players that get thousands of thousands dollars each day.

We as the player have to fight big RMT players so we can earn some Adena in game and you just come here and cut our income by 30-40%... are you guys out of your mind?

As other guys mentioned before: Finally log in the bleep game and play it! And don't tell us you like to play without soulshots because you will run out of money after a day....

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it is impossible for a player from Latin America, where 1 dollar is equal to $ 150 to have to pay to get adena.  And these folks have gone out of their way to make it impossible to get adena in the game, they've removed the spirit ores and SS options from the L2 coin shop.  For my part this is where I stop, four pj 73+, today I leave the game that they have dedicated themselves to killing, today if you are not a donor you cannot play.  greetings to everyone except administrators .i.

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Put Adena for sale on the NC Store. Kill the RMTer and botters, why keep feeding them cash? If you put Adena in the NC Store you will cut down on RMT and botters and make players life that much easier. Why wait for events to drain players of their money? Just always have it there for them. That is what most players do anyways. They buy event items and setup sale shops to sell right back to RMTer and botters. Cut the middleman out. You will increase your company's profits. People setup macro groups to farm Adena to support their mains. So why not let people who have the cash but not the time, the ability to just straight out buy the Adena from the store? It's a win, win for both the player and your company. There will be less congestion in farming zones and create a less toxic environment. Right now, you have RMTers and botters taking up most of the "Good Adena Farming Zones" I say let them have it. I will just get my cash from the store and go exp, pvp, and or do raids instead of having to watch (baby) macro groups.

 

Here are some examples of how having Adena in the NC store would benefit your company and players with cash to spend.

 

Say I am feeling lucky and I want to blow 1 billion on random crafting, where will I get the funds? Surely not from farming it. If you put Adena in the store, I could just go and buy 1 billion and go to town on random crafting.

 

I go on vacation and did not get a chance to participate in a event to sell items and I didn't have macro groups going while I was gone, guess what not only did I not make any Adena, but 10 of 10 times I also lost my macro groups hunting spot. If the NC Store had Adena for sale, I would not have to worry, I would just buy it from the store and go back to enjoying the game.

 

If I had the ability to purchase Adena from the NC store, I would purposely buy my consumables from towns that do not collect taxes for the RMTers / Botters. I would not care if it was more expensive, but at least I would not be contributing to their in-game monopoly.

 

The list goes on and on ......

 

This game is Pay to Play and Pay to Win, I do not care what anybody says it’s the truth.

 

Give me the whole Vegas experience (Winner winner chicken dinner), this is what the game has become ...  a big casino for grownups it is the cold fact.

Only people that would not benefit from this are  RMTer and botters .

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Wonton

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13 hours ago, Arsh said:

Put Adena for sale on the NC Store.

This wouldn't work sorry. How would they figure out the rate to charge per adena?

The developers are to out of touch with server economics to determine the value.

Look what happened when they had a 'sale event' and had 1000 soul shot ticket for 1000 ncoins. 

The math broke down to around 1000 ncoins = $12.50 = 15 million adena.

You would be in same situation of people selling adena for cheaper by 'advanced macro'ing.

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1 hour ago, Wonton said:

This wouldn't work sorry. How would they figure out the rate to charge per adena?

The developers are to out of touch with server economics to determine the value.

Look what happened when they had a 'sale event' and had 1000 soul shot ticket for 1000 ncoins. 

The math broke down to around 1000 ncoins = $12.50 = 15 million adena.

You would be in same situation of people selling adena for cheaper by 'advanced macro'ing.

You are correct "The developers are to out of touch with server economics to determine the value." That is some that will require effort on their part if they want to increase their company's revenue.

 

"Look what happened when they had a 'sale event' and had 1000 soul shot ticket for 1000 ncoins.

 

The math broke down to around 1000 ncoins = $12.50 = 15 million Adena."

 

Totally right their math was completely off, 1000 tickets of Blessed Spirit shots at 134 per ticket = 134,000 shots.

 

If you would buy at let us say Giran at 30% tax rate, the price would come out to 105 per shot totaling = 14, 070,000.

 

 Again, I 100% agree with your statement “The developers are to out of touch with server economics to determine the value."

It goes back to them putting in the work to make a profit from players and enticing them to spend.

 

The idea of providing Adena in the NC Store itself is a valid way for players to reduce that amount of time and resources required to play / enjoy the game. It would curtail some of the RMT and botting on the servers. It would generate additional revenue for their company. The problem as you stated is developers are to out of touch with server economics and I would add the game itself.

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xCaim

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@Juji @Hime
And how your investigation is going? L2 coins still do not drop.

It is already 5 days you are investigating. I guess any customer-oriented company would already fail if they didn't solve customer problem within five days. NC just got used that we are addicted to L2 and they can be as slow as possible, ignore customers and provide no proper feedback.

Question is: When you will fix L2 Coin drops?

Please provide the date and time when this will be fixed.

Thanks in advance!

P.S. Please note, that question is not "what are you doing ?" (with the answer - "investigating"), but "when this issue will be fixed"?

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With all the on-going investigations for issues like Mass DC, Wrong Adena Rates, L2Coins not dropping, Crashing Clients due to skill bugs and other stuff, they need a few months to fix everything. So chill and by the time everything is fixed the new Korea patch will come that will introduce new bugs they will need to investigate for the next months. Seems like they have inspector gadget deploying these updates and doing the investigations.

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I would like to understand:

Why did active scenarios close, like Vale Enchanted?

Why did the L2 Coin drop reset to zero?

Why make so many changes, try to implement so many things, instead of maintaining a stable server, with everything you are entitled to (all Sieges, Pets {wolves, dragons}) quests and proposed valid to play. I would love to play a fixed chronicle, without props if that chronicle was 100% functional.

Undoubtedly many people should play L2 more for nostalgia, feelings that recall the beginning of L2, and not for what the server today represents.

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The problem with stuff like this is the transparency involving the whole update procedure. We got detailed patch notes for mundane things no-one cares about and there was no information concerning reduced adena rates and L2Coins not working like before. Moreover, the patch notes were released 1 day prior to the update deployment, this by itself is unacceptable for a major update.

There are 2 possible scenarios, 1)the plug and play patch they got from Korea has other settings which they didn't adjust before the live release or 2)they stealth nerfed these things.

In the first scenario, why wasn't the problems resolved in last weeks maintenance? Changing the adena rates is like 30 seconds, the L2Coin drop might be more complicated and might need a custom fix from Korea. But you should at least inform us about the situation, something in the lines of" We have confirmed the issue and we are waiting for a patch, we are sorry for the inconvenience", and send some mail ingame with some compensation.

In the second scenario just tell us the truth, that this is how it's going to be, so people can make their decisions.

It's unprofessional to change the rules of a game without any announcement, it shows disrespect towards your player base and customers,  your communication skills are severely lacking at best. Company politics need to seriously be reconsidered IF this business is to remain afloat, @Juji @Hime transfer this complaint to the upper ups, don't just accept this situation and remain in the sidelines while this whole project inevitably sinks.

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On 2/12/2021 at 9:03 AM, xCaim said:

The problem with stuff like this is the transparency involving the whole update procedure. We got detailed patch notes for mundane things no-one cares about and there was no information concerning reduced adena rates and L2Coins not working like before. Moreover, the patch notes were released 1 day prior to the update deployment, this by itself is unacceptable for a major update.

It's unprofessional to change the rules of a game without any announcement, it shows disrespect towards your player base and customers,  your communication skills are severely lacking at best. Company politics need to seriously be reconsidered IF this business is to remain afloat, @Juji @Hime transfer this complaint to the upper ups, don't just accept this situation and remain in the sidelines while this whole project inevitably sinks.

xCaim, 

I agree with your comments... it is "TRULY" unprofessional they way they run these servers.  Besides what you have pointed out, they change the rules when ever they want to suit their needs.. i.e. the Restore policy for items that blow up.....  How many times have they changed that? they have even changed it mid event (first time the Belts came out, they changed it mid event)  Had a friend fail a +8 combine to +9 and the changed the policy while he requested the restore..so he lost the belt.  The policy for restoring items has always been Vague, upto their interpretations, you never get a CLEAR answer from customer support but thats how they want it.  Example number 2.  Anakim/Lillith runes-- you try to + the anakim/lillith rune and you fail the combine and get one.  You would expect that if you restore, the only Rune that gets flagged is the one you recalled.  From GM Zai, "To Answer your inquiry, yes, the even though one rune is not destroyed, both of them are not eligible for restoration."  .... and previously i know from other players that they had restored the remaining one upon attempting to combine it again with no issues.  

There is no consistency with their policy.  Truly unprofessional.

 

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On 2/24/2021 at 4:24 PM, Hammerforge said:

xCaim, 

I agree with your comments... it is "TRULY" unprofessional they way they run these servers.  Besides what you have pointed out, they change the rules when ever they want to suit their needs.. i.e. the Restore policy for items that blow up.....  How many times have they changed that? they have even changed it mid event (first time the Belts came out, they changed it mid event)  Had a friend fail a +8 combine to +9 and the changed the policy while he requested the restore..so he lost the belt.  The policy for restoring items has always been Vague, upto their interpretations, you never get a CLEAR answer from customer support but thats how they want it.  Example number 2.  Anakim/Lillith runes-- you try to + the anakim/lillith rune and you fail the combine and get one.  You would expect that if you restore, the only Rune that gets flagged is the one you recalled.  From GM Zai, "To Answer your inquiry, yes, the even though one rune is not destroyed, both of them are not eligible for restoration."  .... and previously i know from other players that they had restored the remaining one upon attempting to combine it again with no issues.  

There is no consistency with their policy.  Truly unprofessional.

 

HammerForge

Totally agree.

Unprofessional consistence policy (they saw that they was losing money and changed again), bad server administration (they dont know what is happening with the commerce, mobs, players, skills, etc and bugs from october 2017 still unfixed), f2p events with trash rewards (3 years of server and they still give d to b grade rewards when the items doesnt have penality). So i dont understand why they open another "update discussion" post if they dont fix or change anything. The last bad change was to remove the random loot of lcoin, why? we dont know.

2021 will be a year with many released games, so ncsoft wake up. (even the trash of Essense and other servers have more players than official server).

 

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@Jujihey GM have you ever played classic Lineage2 before? What have you done with the siege war? And crafting system in this server every possible way of earning adena is gone and bots are roaming in the same map everyday (Ruins of Agony and Abandoned Camp) come one you guys can do better! Save this server before it's too late listes to your customers.

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