Live Server Maintenance: Wednesday, September 1, 2021

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Ambicija said:

And where is the problem?  Rare items have other price... If nobody not sell - its mean you propose less then its wort... If cant sell - its mean want more then its wort

 

ok. im out from discusion.

He is trying to tell you END GAME GEAR is almost non existant in AH/sell shops, stop thinking about your level of play and try to take a look at the overal pricture... itemization is rly bad atm on both NAIA and CHRONOS and we all know it,  +10 cloaks which you mentioned many times are Entry level item... it is like for starters not even mid tier item .. +7/+10 you can find and buy, he is trying to tell you +15+18 cloaks you basically cant find, because rates of enchanting are LOW, promo is expensive, LUC was nerfed, LUC proc is several times worse than it was before. 

ATM in order to buy good items you need to wait for someone to quit and then items cost 1 tril, 1.5 tril ... 1.2tril ... 900bil ... 999bil .. it is pure madness and it is only here in our servers. NCsoft should let people produce and generate mid to top tier items, so many promos and only few people are able to get those, go and take a look at Top level zones, empty, no1 is there, it is almost 2022 and i see on Naia 99% of people struggle to make 110 Dailies ... all these facts should wake you up and tell you we are severely LIMITED and blocked to generate/produce items on a decent price ... 

Have you seen all the low to mid people who left this summer ? I personally had a conversation with ~ 25 people, all they answered they love the game and want to play it but also the reason of quitting is same for all - NO EINHASAD SHOP, NO WAY to get gear, All lootboxes give a nonsensce load of useless items.

These problems should be addressed ASAP, but as you can see,  they are not and the situation is ridiculous. I only see people quitting, ATM it is almost impossible to form a CP. 

Instead of making items more available and easy to obtain with time, they nerf enchanting, LUC procing, remove options and all kidns of tools that can help us out, it should make you sick to see such changes.

@Juji pls help

[Juji]

Servers are coming up now!

[PugofCrydee]

Yeah but when you only get the rare augment once in over 1000 tries its hard to swap, since normally it should give you a rare at least 1 in 50/60 goes from my experience. The rate this time was very very low.  I expect the rates for artifacts will be just as low, so good luck

[Konta]

35 minutes ago, Argus said:

He is trying to tell you END GAME GEAR is almost non existant in AH/sell shops, stop thinking about your level of play and try to take a look at the overal pricture... itemization is rly bad atm on both NAIA and CHRONOS and we all know it,  +10 cloaks which you mentioned many times are Entry level item... it is like for starters not even mid tier item .. +7/+10 you can find and buy, he is trying to tell you +15+18 cloaks you basically cant find, because rates of enchanting are LOW, promo is expensive, LUC was nerfed, LUC proc is several times worse than it was before. 

ATM in order to buy good items you need to wait for someone to quit and then items cost 1 tril, 1.5 tril ... 1.2tril ... 900bil ... 999bil .. it is pure madness and it is only here in our servers. NCsoft should let people produce and generate mid to top tier items, so many promos and only few people are able to get those, go and take a look at Top level zones, empty, no1 is there, it is almost 2022 and i see on Naia 99% of people struggle to make 110 Dailies ... all these facts should wake you up and tell you we are severely LIMITED and blocked to generate/produce items on a decent price ... 

Have you seen all the low to mid people who left this summer ? I personally had a conversation with ~ 25 people, all they answered they love the game and want to play it but also the reason of quitting is same for all - NO EINHASAD SHOP, NO WAY to get gear, All lootboxes give a nonsensce load of useless items.

These problems should be addressed ASAP, but as you can see,  they are not and the situation is ridiculous. I only see people quitting, ATM it is almost impossible to form a CP. 

Instead of making items more available and easy to obtain with time, they nerf enchanting, LUC procing, remove options and all kidns of tools that can help us out, it should make you sick to see such changes.

@Juji pls help

I would agree with some of your post but essentially the thing here is that the game right now is really expensive. I was willing to pay 350b + my +18 Elmore to swap my augments but no one answer the shouts. So ended paying 60k Ncoins and not even once in 900 elmore stones saw the P/M Skill dmg but why I got 7 times 20% vit exp augment who knows to troll you >.> at least on the knight stones got the PSkill crt dmg 7.5

Also I took a break of the game for 2 month to hope when I'm back get the EINHASAD store and guess what it is not here.

Dark, Bloody stones are nowhere near to get on the game anymore for common mortals and top farmers are taking their eyes out on the only places to get em. 

So if the game keeps costing so much to upgrade your gear + bad decisions for sure will die.

This is for the NEWTON on marketing and promos lead team, make a little more affordable or it will be your fault to make ragequit all ppl. It's not that make the game DW stage 3 to everyone like other places that will be the final nail on the coffin cos now whales who over spent will sell off as their efforts will be no value. but make the game accessible for the common Joe.

 

[Propet]

5 hours ago, Joro said:

I really don't understand logic of NCsoft ...  You repeat every four months some events like Artifact events, but other kind of events like dragon jewelry, god's jewelry bottles, splendor fragments, dark and bloody stones also other jewelry Valakas, Antharas, Lindvior and many other rare items you never do this kind of events or do one time in every two years. For this reason some items last 1-2 years price is up x10 or x15 times. For example God ring before cost 80-90b now 500b, dragon rings 100b now 700-800b maybe more, earrings 50-60b now 700-800b and etc. Why do you deliberately make the prices of some items abnormally high and others not? @Hime @Juji Please for answers ?

bro not the ncwest request event, if you think that, you completely wrong, just look eu server event, its same event they get like us. and no not eu make the event as well.

cry so much here, nothing will happens, go original first official lineage2 and cry there with kr lang

[Mete]

31 minutes ago, Propet said:

bro not the ncwest request event, if you think that, you completely wrong, just look eu server event, its same event they get like us. and no not eu make the event as well.

cry so much here, nothing will happens, go original first official lineage2 and cry there with kr lang

EU in terms of population is a dead server, but they have more items than naia and chronos combined. Go look at their AH/Shops, then go look at Naia/Chronos.

The problem is what's been identified 100 times. There's 3 tiers of players. Farmers (that can be endgame players) that spend 0 on ncoin and buy everything with adena. Mid-Tier players pumping real money into the game, hoping to one day get to Tier1 (ie no longer having to pump real money into the game and be self sufficient with the adena they farm ingame) and F2P players that are irrelevant.

NCSoft's inability to attract new players to this game (because that's the "natural" progression, you start, you pay your "dues" you move up) means they need Tier2 players to remain Tier2 players, so they keep pumping money in. They are the only source of income for this game. Hence the joke enchant rates, the "here's another chance to do the same thing with terrible odds" events, those are just ways to keep people stagnant and spending. As is NCWest's obsessive refusal to add the coin store items etc. Obviously the downside to that strategy is people get frustrated and just quit. Case in point, a friend said funk it I will participate in the cloak event, against my advice. Bought  60 enchants, ended up with a +3 cloak. Deleted the character, with the cloak, uninstalled the game and moved on. Because effectively, "playing" this game is basically you betting against the casino, at odds the casino sets and doesn't divulge. 

And no, it's not "The same everywhere". In the EU cloaks where only just offered this summer. But now you can buy/enchant them at your own pace, cloaks and enchants are in the coin shop. Over here you kinda know there's gonna be 2 cloak events every year, so when one comes around you gotta break the bank to get what you want, else you gotta wait 6 months. And if you got a +15 you don't get the stable scrolls to progress further, so either risk going back down to  single digits, or just stay where you are. It's just a sketchy way (scarcity) to force players to spend. Instead of cloaks, replace with jewels, artifacts etc.

[AshesOfAden]

12 hours ago, McByczek said:

This is what awaits us

only there they already have info

https://dev.l2central.info/main/news/789.html?lang=en

Don't forget NCWest is a year or two behind on updates

[iHyperlite]

l2 is a cash cow thats running out of cows.

 

if they put core prices and events, added the coin store, the amount of people who would come back to play i do think would be alot with the correct marketing approach.  sadly, our division of ncsoft is irrelevant, so this wont happen.

[FoolyCooly]

2 hours ago, Mete said:

Because effectively, "playing" this game is basically you betting against the casino, at odds the casino sets and doesn't divulge. 

..... It's just a sketchy way (scarcity) to force players to spend.

I had noticed this 6 or 7 years ago. The issue is a gaming company selling consumables, temporary items that expire & items that offer a gambling chance. Instead, it should be only selling permanent items. To make matters worse, mobs rarely drop anything useful & they've discontinued daily quests that offer anything significant in general hunting areas (even before they added the auto-hunting system). 

Player numbers & activity will continue to decrease because this business model is unsustainable for customers.  Economies around the world are crumbling (exacerbated by the pandemic) & the number of potential customers is increasingly getting smaller. The overwhelming evidence is the increasing abysmal siege participation & the level of difficulty for players to find parties at any given hour.

[Mitzza]

35 minutes ago, iHyperlite said:

l2 is a cash cow thats running out of cows.

 

if they put core prices and events, added the coin store, the amount of people who would come back to play i do think would be alot with the correct marketing approach.  sadly, our division of ncsoft is irrelevant, so this wont happen.

That  is why I say people should Logout  more and stop investing so much time and money  in a game that does not invest back in the players, how can a game  take so much money and time but give  back so little. 

[extase1987]

5 minutes ago, Mitzza said:

That  is why I say people should Logout  more and stop investing so much time and money  in a game that does not invest back in the players, how can a game  take so much money and time but give  back so little. 

Exactly what I do. Hunting zones & Dailies & logout.
Play another game (World of Warcraft) where I actually spend 13€ (subscription) where the PVP exists more than L2.

[voo]

of course my luck hasnt changed....10 attempts from 9->10 all poof.  Im 0-30 now....why even try?

[UmpaArmy]

I have started to have DC after last update  max time in game 1 - 2 hours  usually  i get dc in 30 minutes after login .

I have tested my internet connection (Fiber) 450 MB download and 450 MB upload with a server outside the country (im in France , Paris area).

Also tested ping -t to see  if i drop packets all seems good no packet drop (i could add -l 35k but usually al destinations drop this type of ping because of DDOS attack )

Anyone else have this issue or is just me ?   @Hime , @Juji

[BlueBabyYoda]

Here in UK no issues. Been running the game without dc since the maintenance. 

[Kale]

7 hours ago, UmpaArmy said:

I have started to have DC after last update  max time in game 1 - 2 hours  usually  i get dc in 30 minutes after login .

I have tested my internet connection (Fiber) 450 MB download and 450 MB upload with a server outside the country (im in France , Paris area).

Also tested ping -t to see  if i drop packets all seems good no packet drop (i could add -l 35k but usually al destinations drop this type of ping because of DDOS attack )

Anyone else have this issue or is just me ?   @Hime , @Juji

Same here, all days ramdom DCs, 3 characters online in the same PC, sometimes DC one of them and the others stay IN. Sometimes DCs in two of them, sometime all of them. When all goes down maybe my connection but when 1 or 2 Chars DC and the other/s Stay ON i don't know.

I have a friend playing in another city of my country and she suffer exactly the same situation.

[Kilma]

WTB   Red libra  with  stone of destiny   main class @Juji @Hime 

[happyevil]

On 9/2/2021 at 10:59 PM, UmpaArmy said:

I have started to have DC after last update  max time in game 1 - 2 hours  usually  i get dc in 30 minutes after login .

I have tested my internet connection (Fiber) 450 MB download and 450 MB upload with a server outside the country (im in France , Paris area).

Also tested ping -t to see  if i drop packets all seems good no packet drop (i could add -l 35k but usually al destinations drop this type of ping because of DDOS attack )

Anyone else have this issue or is just me ?   @Hime , @Juji

same for me  after the last update  only getting dc,s