Marsulici Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I have a +12 bloody R110 dual dagg with 3 SA as follows : 1. Kain 8 - p.skill crit dmg 13% 2. Leona 9 - atk. spd 9% + p.skill crit dmg 7% 3. Exalted - p.skill crit dmg 7% Now i was wondering if it's worth changing the Leona 9 to another Kain 8 and getting p.atk crit dmg 13% I'm not sure if p.skill crit dmg and p.atk crit dmg have the same impact on overall dmg as skills always crit Is there any difference in how dmg is calculated fomr p.atk crit dmg or p.skill crit dmg ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHyperlite Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Marsulici said: I have a +12 bloody R110 dual dagg with 3 SA as follows : 1. Kain 8 - p.skill crit dmg 13% 2. Leona 9 - atk. spd 9% + p.skill crit dmg 7% 3. Exalted - p.skill crit dmg 7% Now i was wondering if it's worth changing the Leona 9 to another Kain 8 and getting p.atk crit dmg 13% I'm not sure if p.skill crit dmg and p.atk crit dmg have the same impact on overall dmg as skills always crit Is there any difference in how dmg is calculated fomr p.atk crit dmg or p.skill crit dmg ? Proper sa's are: Kain Death Kain Fire Vague punishment Stack all crit dmg, that atk speed is worthless on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsulici Posted January 1, 2022 Author Share Posted January 1, 2022 Thx; thought so too, but wanted to make sure. So for a dagger, either p.skill crit dmg or p.atk crit dmg has the same impact on overall dmg, right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenSoul Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 What about fire and critical fire ? Both have p.skill critical dmg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHyperlite Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 10 hours ago, Marsulici said: Thx; thought so too, but wanted to make sure. So for a dagger, either p.skill crit dmg or p.atk crit dmg has the same impact on overall dmg, right ? 2 hours ago, FallenSoul said: What about fire and critical fire ? Both have p.skill critical dmg. P skill crit dmg = p atk crit dmg in how they increase your dmg on target. It's better to use death and fire from kain because it nets the most crit dmg increase. Nsxt update, when the normal attack dmg formula is changed, we will need to retest how p atk crit dmg scales. But for now, they are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitzza Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/2/2022 at 4:47 AM, iHyperlite said: P skill crit dmg = p atk crit dmg in how they increase your dmg on target. It's better to use death and fire from kain because it nets the most crit dmg increase. Nsxt update, when the normal attack dmg formula is changed, we will need to retest how p atk crit dmg scales. But for now, they are the same. I was thinking that dagger works like this: P. Critical dmg. Adds to + P.Skill ( p.criti. dmg increases p.skil dmg) P.Skill = x dmg P.Skill critical dmg = 2x ore 3x dmg.. There for we have P.Skill critical rate for the 2x ore 3x dmg So I invested also in P.Skill critical rate Is it work like this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHyperlite Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 13 minutes ago, Mitzza said: I was thinking that dagger works like this: P. Critical dmg. Adds to + P.Skill ( p.criti. dmg increases p.skil dmg) P.Skill = x dmg P.Skill critical dmg = 2x ore 3x dmg.. There for we have P.Skill critical rate for the 2x ore 3x dmg So I invested also in P.Skill critical rate Is it work like this ? All stabs crit, it's a unique feature in how blows work. Skill crit rate doesn't help This is the formula data mined by russians: Blows: Damage = 77 * ((pAtk * lvlMod + power ) * 0,666 * SS * SS_bonus * weapon_random * cdBonus * cdResist * cdPosition + cdStatic + damage_bonus) / (sDef + pDef) * weaponTrait * attBonus * PvPBonus * PvEBonus * powerBonus * skillCritBonus * damageResist wherein : staticBonus = (cdStatic + cdStaticResist + cdStaticPosition) * 6 damage_bonus = (pAtk * SS * SS_bonus * lvlMod + power) * 0.666 * weapon_random * isPosition As to what the skillCritBonus is I need to read through the source which is in Russian and that is time consuming, but I don't think it is skill crit rate as we are thinking. After the xp event, I can test this specifically on my dagger with artifacts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitzza Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, iHyperlite said: All stabs crit, it's a unique feature in how blows work. Skill crit rate doesn't help This is the formula data mined by russians: Blows: Damage = 77 * ((pAtk * lvlMod + power ) * 0,666 * SS * SS_bonus * weapon_random * cdBonus * cdResist * cdPosition + cdStatic + damage_bonus) / (sDef + pDef) * weaponTrait * attBonus * PvPBonus * PvEBonus * powerBonus * skillCritBonus * damageResist wherein : staticBonus = (cdStatic + cdStaticResist + cdStaticPosition) * 6 damage_bonus = (pAtk * SS * SS_bonus * lvlMod + power) * 0.666 * weapon_random * isPosition As to what the skillCritBonus is I need to read through the source which is in Russian and that is time consuming, but I don't think it is skill crit rate as we are thinking. After the xp event, I can test this specifically on my dagger with artifacts. Ok, ty this helps me from wasting money on P.Skill critical rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitzza Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 3:22 PM, iHyperlite said: All stabs crit, it's a unique feature in how blows work. Skill crit rate doesn't help This is the formula data mined by russians: Blows: Damage = 77 * ((pAtk * lvlMod + power ) * 0,666 * SS * SS_bonus * weapon_random * cdBonus * cdResist * cdPosition + cdStatic + damage_bonus) / (sDef + pDef) * weaponTrait * attBonus * PvPBonus * PvEBonus * powerBonus * skillCritBonus * damageResist wherein : staticBonus = (cdStatic + cdStaticResist + cdStaticPosition) * 6 damage_bonus = (pAtk * SS * SS_bonus * lvlMod + power) * 0.666 * weapon_random * isPosition As to what the skillCritBonus is I need to read through the source which is in Russian and that is time consuming, but I don't think it is skill crit rate as we are thinking. After the xp event, I can test this specifically on my dagger with artifacts. Hi, did you have time to test if skill crit rate helps? Ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHyperlite Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/13/2022 at 5:10 PM, Mitzza said: Hi, did you have time to test if skill crit rate helps? Ty I didn't yet. Ive been enchanting I will try to do a quick test today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitzza Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, iHyperlite said: I didn't yet. Ive been enchanting I will try to do a quick test today. Ok ty , no problem, I have changed my crit. Rate to crit. Dmg. Good luck on enchanting +24! , I tried but I did not get to far so I changed strategy and started to sell the enchants, I will try again on the next event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitzza Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 3:27 PM, iHyperlite said: I didn't yet. Ive been enchanting I will try to do a quick test today. Hi, I want to change 1 f artifact to attack atribute, witch artifact will be the best to change, p.skil power, p.skil critikal dmg ore P.atak critical dmg, do you know witch hase the more impact on dmg. on dagger class? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossEyedMary Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Hello! If u want do this use p.attack for the change, but believe me, dont do that. You will need these 3 that u already have, try to got Att.Atk by other items. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHyperlite Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 7:53 AM, Mitzza said: Ok ty , no problem, I have changed my crit. Rate to crit. Dmg. Good luck on enchanting +24! , I tried but I did not get to far so I changed strategy and started to sell the enchants, I will try again on the next event. i finally tested this a bit. I see no difference in dmg to a target in pve settign when adding or removing 10% p skill crit rate. i think this matters in pvp when you come up against people with crit dmg reduction items On 1/27/2022 at 5:14 PM, Mitzza said: Hi, I want to change 1 f artifact to attack atribute, witch artifact will be the best to change, p.skil power, p.skil critikal dmg ore P.atak critical dmg, do you know witch hase the more impact on dmg. on dagger class? Thanks. dont do this, stay on: patk crit dmg / p skill power / p skill crit dmg element is situational and sometimes applies and sometimes doesnt. i suggest bonuses that always apply 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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