PVP and people logic

[WonderWeed]

So, I have a question that I hope some of you can try and help me understand. I want to understand better the logic behind PVP and wanting more of it. To level-set, I am a neutral kind of guy - no sides here. I am not a hardcore PVP dude, and to be honest, my PVP typically comes during sieges – where I am a non-factor-I suck. On the odd chance that I win, I don’t beat my chest even with all the excitement pumping through my veins. Yes, I can understand the excitement about PVP for some of you, especially when you have spent thousands to make your toon unkillable to 90% of the server. Ando, Brevant and others. 

 

So here is my statement/question.

We all want PVP for the most part. I mean, it’s a PVP game, correct? I see so many people, usually those from the more prominent clans with tons of gear, shouting for more PVP at sieges, swords, etc. You know what I mean if you have played for 5 minutes. Let me give you a scenario.

 

Scenario: I am in a clan, and we participate in the siege, and soon after the siege ends, a war declaration is received. Why? Well, because we participated in the siege. As a result, of the war declaration, people leave the clan to jump in an alt clan so they can PVE level and enjoy other aspects of the game, etc. Mind you that 99% of the people who left the clan to go PVE don’t even have the gear to compete with people from NOVA, Mapagos, especially in 1v1 PVP. I mean, people like scoobz or Ikarigan (sp) could look at them, and the toon would die.   To take it a step further, these whales are now hunting these people and go out of their way to flag, kill, bully and harass those players, aka macros. So why the hell would they ever want to participate in sieges or swords when you eliminate their ability to do anything in the game? I mean, you are driving away any desire for people to want to do the stuff that you whales scream and shout that you want more of. I can understand PVP, but people like NagnarX (a beast) will wipe a PVE party just because they participated in a siege or were part of a clan that participated in a siege. I want to understand the point. I got it if they run their mouth, then yes, back it up or shut up. Do you not want them to participate in the sieges or large-scale PVP events? I mean, this mentality kills the game. As for me, I don’t care; I am not $$ in on this game; I am just trying to understand the logic, looking forward to hearing from some of the big boys. 

[Slycutter]

Listen i can go into the tick and tack of crap but I was through something similar with my clan recently.

1.  Most people don't want real pvp

2.  Most people do not understand what pvp consists of when they do pvp

3.  See point 1 x 20 for people with big egos lol

War system should be deleted honestly.  Its used as a grieving tool and please don't tell me its not because nothing says you cannot pvp live without a war, and someone refuses to flag just PK them and they open their mouth again you pk them again.  I mean just the simple the whole war thing is just so you can pk people afk without having to go red; if you want to do that you shouldn't be afraid to go red so man up and stop with the wars.  If you have a problem with someone fight them, if you can't defend yourself don't open your mouth I mean rather simple concept.

 

 

[extase1987]

Hi,

I can understand your frustration. The core issue remains the same, you start as a puppy, you live like a puppy and you die like a puppy.

Unless you dump a liver, a Lambo and a penthouse, you won't be able to compete with 10% of the servers (Chronos is stronger by far compared to Naia for example) without spending a fair amount of money, or being good at enchanting. Play at your pace!

I remember my previous clan getting killed by a 1 dude box party 2 year ago, rush & cleaned all until we came back, cleaned us again and we lost castle.

2 years later, playing every single day, I run in Gludio, and I slightly do the same. Not because I spend some money into the game and not a huge amount, but I learned the game mechanics, read people's buff, made multiple toons to share gear easier in order to farm, did buy/sell store, bought Bloods cheap while farming daily IOS/TOI to afford them, etc. And yet, I am a puppy compared to many others, but still good enough to put some weight in PVP situations. 

Unfortunately, many people prefer to frighten weaker people to avoid them showing up, while hunting them and making their game miserable to an extend that you simply don't want to play anymore. If people keep doing that, at some point of the game, you will eventually catch up. I have seen weaker than me getting stronger then me; and stronger people getting weaker overtime, because they stopped dumping cash into the game.

Let me tell you, if they hunt you for so long, take it as a compliment, because they ain't farm either during that time with their toon

In order to promote PVP, the solution is easy, put a 0% penalty upon dying and people would PVP all day long without XP loss instead of burning BREZ instead, waiting a BREZ from somewhere etc.

Since the game calibration is only depended on gear, they should put all in same gear during siege time, because healing a dude who gets hit for 1m+, even they most skilled healer won't do the job.

Keep in your, how much do you value your time? Is it worth the effort overtime or not to play at your pace and maybe one day being able to get closer to those people?

[iAndouille]

i Personally don't grief afk players or try to pvp people out of my gear range, its not challenging and its just bullying for nothing.

even wartags, if they are afk,i  don't kill, there's no satisfaction about that.

Then there's the "whales" ur talking about that enjoy being dumbasses and kill ppl for no reason, or afk ppl, then say "dont be afk"  so yeah we are not all the same ..  i can feel you'r pain and fear to participate in any kind of pvp bcz of those bad people who would kill you after instead of just enjoying ppl participating. 

[iHyperlite]

participating in pvp cuts into ppls profits (swords, siege, raids). if you go try to do that, the game allows them to retaliate accordingly.

same happens if u decide to attack a castle for "fun"

 

is it fair?  the game isnt meant to be fair, sorry...

 

 

 

edit: i also dont really pvp bc i dont like this very thing. ppl follow u for weeks to grief you just because you showed up to a pvp and fought. i have better things to waste time on.

[BlueBerry]

8 hours ago, iAndouille said:

i Personally don't grief afk players or try to pvp people out of my gear range, its not challenging and its just bullying for nothing.

even wartags, if they are afk,i  don't kill, there's no satisfaction about that.

Then there's the "whales" ur talking about that enjoy being dumbasses and kill ppl for no reason, or afk ppl, then say "dont be afk"  so yeah we are not all the same ..  i can feel you'r pain and fear to participate in any kind of pvp bcz of those bad people who would kill you after instead of just enjoying ppl participating. 

This guy has class compared to other bad players - I still think they should have instance Sieges for certain levels with basic gear they give us that would be fun like gludio , Dion the small castles, and leave the other large ones for the big boys and girls.  

[PimpMyBow]

Most fun pvp wise people had used to be for spots I think, but since that is mostly gone it became what you say.. Now its just harassing as there is nothing else to do in game.

Also younger people seem to be more "emotional" when getting killed in video game, which is  weird.

[Ballkain]

the balance has just become absurd,  most pvp I get is a bad guy popping out of hide 1 shotting me, I usually don't have time to turn off my auto hunt before I'm dead

[Siri]

Long ago there was some kind of gentleman agreement that 2 or 3 lower wanted castles been up for free pvp where none of the top clans showed up.

But nowadays that game is all about "profit" if you know what i mean.

 

Macro xping killed open world pvp since there is no pvp for spots anymore because once your afk you get took down.

It would be nice if they add some good xp spots - where ig macro isn't working (but NCW would have to check it due to oog macros). So sadly not gonna happen.

[Ballkain]

they lower level castles dont even give enough profit when dark to make it worth it,  top clans just try to control everything.  2 weeks shutguard dark gives 400kk, so no real point for top clans goin