LuxK Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 The last one to leave please close the door!!! BTW 50x ss ticket 200NCoin good lucky! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casemonstro Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, SheOrc said: Adena is increased indeed by almost 50%. Almost, though. Lets do some math now. Lets say a Nuker is aoeing with an S grade weapon. x4 Spiritshots per hit, at least, depending on how many targets. That nuker is facing the massive need of 700.000+ spiritshots per day. 700.000*105 = 73.5 million per day JUST in Spiritshots. I won't add to that the expences of Spirit Ore on the nuker himself, or the buffers cause the numbers only go up. With that Adena decrease, you definitely killed the Nukers of our server. And they already struggle enough to fight in places like TOI, cause Lair is left with the same stats for the last year and Adena income was and still is pretty much non existent. Melee classes are a little luckier. Melee players face around 500.000 to a million Shots per day, depending on the class. It's still, a massive 20-28million per day JUST in Soulshots. Again, I won't add Spirit Ore, Elemental Stones, Powders etc etc. Does nerfing the Adena sounds good to you? When a player now, depending on the floor and playstyle, can barely make to TOI -an end game area- 5 to 15 million per day. How is this viable? What the hell are you thinking? @Juji@Arctic Fix it. I agree with you the game itself is not sustainable. I'm thinking now how the server is going to keep up after so many stutters. They've been trying their hardest to ruin the Game for 3 years. It's unbelievable how some simple concepts would save the server: Quests / Pets 100% functional map / Balanced classes / Dwarfs Revitalization But I've been saying this for 3 years and being massively ignored by the staff. Maybe rescuing players is not their project/goal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheOrc Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 46 minutes ago, Casemonstro said: But I've been saying this for 3 years and being massively ignored by the staff. Maybe rescuing players is not their project/goal. I agree that the content updates are non existent in Classic Servers. The neglection is tremendous. But, lets focus on topic. All this is just a failed attempt to calm down the players by increasing a small fraction of the Adena drop rate that they ninja nerfed without it being on the dang patch notes and now refusing to do it as it was. @Juji@Arctic FIX IT. ACT, FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxK Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Casemonstro said: I agree with you the game itself is not sustainable. I'm thinking now how the server is going to keep up after so many stutters. They've been trying their hardest to ruin the Game for 3 years. It's unbelievable how some simple concepts would save the server: Quests / Pets 100% functional map / Balanced classes / Dwarfs Revitalization But I've been saying this for 3 years and being massively ignored by the staff. Maybe rescuing players is not their project/goal. Relax they will update the forum... new features to ignore the player will release soon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmjay Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 NCSoft nerfs adena in toi by 80%. Then decides to increase the nerfed rate by 50%. Did you do any math here NCSoft? The new rate still doesnt cut it at all. Dont you understand the cost of leveling in toi? Not just the day to day costs of spiritshots and spiritores but the cost to actually build a toon that can farm there? You have nerfed all our stats from VIP and when the event ends and we dont have venir 24 and cats eye level 5s what going to happen? What were you thinking? Not only did you completely nerf all of us who kept paying the bills at VIP10 you didnt even supply any new content. No new areas for nukers. no new areas for anyone. nothing new. just nerf nerf nerf....and you wonder why people are leaving. We have spent many thousands of dollars and stayed pretty darn loyal and this is how you treat your customers? Comeon JUJI. I know you arent out of touch. But you gotta fight for us and give us something here. and remember increasing drop rates by 300% does nothing if the drop rate is still 1%. all it does is make it 3 percent. You need to increase drop rates and drop AMOUNTS to matter. simple math 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxK Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, emmjay said: NCSoft nerfs adena in toi by 80%. Then decides to increase the nerfed rate by 50%. Did you do any math here NCSoft? The new rate still doesnt cut it at all. Dont you understand the cost of leveling in toi? Not just the day to day costs of spiritshots and spiritores but the cost to actually build a toon that can farm there? You have nerfed all our stats from VIP and when the event ends and we dont have venir 24 and cats eye level 5s what going to happen? What were you thinking? Not only did you completely nerf all of us who kept paying the bills at VIP10 you didnt even supply any new content. No new areas for nukers. no new areas for anyone. nothing new. just nerf nerf nerf....and you wonder why people are leaving. We have spent many thousands of dollars and stayed pretty darn loyal and this is how you treat your customers? Comeon JUJI. I know you arent out of touch. But you gotta fight for us and give us something here. and remember increasing drop rates by 300% does nothing if the drop rate is still 1%. all it does is make it 3 percent. You need to increase drop rates and drop AMOUNTS to matter. simple math They nerf to sell new stuff to you kill the same way you use to kill for plus couple bucks... they gave to us cat eyes and venir, this way you will not repair the diference from before to now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11888 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 You are fooling us in front of our faces! Do you think you are doing us a favor with 50%? We do you a favor for wasting our money on the server! The fact that the drop rate was reduced due to the VIP does not mean that the amount of Adena had to be reduced! This is your fault and you are not able to fix it! Would it be good if we didn't even buy 1 NCoin to see what they do? Will they listen to us or not? Not even 1 NCoin!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casemonstro Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, 11888 said: You are fooling us in front of our faces! Do you think you are doing us a favor with 50%? We do you a favor for wasting our money on the server! The fact that the drop rate was reduced due to the VIP does not mean that the amount of Adena had to be reduced! This is your fault and you are not able to fix it! Would it be good if we didn't even buy 1 NCoin to see what they do? Will they listen to us or not? Not even 1 NCoin!! Fatty. But it was not even clear how the server will work without VIP, without buying Ncoins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrullyPaiin Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 All this whining is not going to get you people anywhere. Every update they always managed to break game mechanic(s) yet you all still spend on P2W items. Most of the whiners on this thread crying about TOI have ++ parties farming in catacombs, necros, devils isle and are the owners of the bots in abandon camp and ruins of agony. Keep crying, you are the same trolls that have made it harder for average players and contributed to this server's failure. Castle owners still have high taxes on players! Now you have the audacity cry and whine about TOI? You know who you are. I suggest lowering the adena in all catacombs, necros, devils isle, abandon camp and ruins of agony as well. Ncsoft is responsible for destroying classic but you contributed just as much to the destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smexytea Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Still not a fix to the issue. Especially those using S-grade weapons. Bow users are busting 5 soul shots per arrow, GK using demon splinters burn them down. Nukers burn alot of spirit shots and they are crazy pricey Why u guys enjoy hurting the player base like this? Seriously should consider the idea of lowering the cost of soul shots on S grade weapons to x2 or something to help fix this issue then because no one can farm enough adena to afford the cost of soulshot/spirit on those weapons end game grinding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nGDiablillo Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I think we will have another answer on Wednesday, Sorry for bothering you so soon dear friends @Juji @Arctic take your time, preferably on Wednesdays to tell us something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l2ponepone Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 @Juji @Arctic In general, even before this update, toi scaled horribly with the difficulty of mobs. Players lvl 90 + are stuck from floor 1 to 4 because kill rate/xp/adena ratios are much more adequate. We want people to progress through the game and cover their basic needs at the very least. PLEASE DO NOT force players to put themselves in lower level hunting areas to make adena AFTER THE FACT they spend so much Ncoin and time promoting/playing the game to achieve these statures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaSantera Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 The problem began from the very beggining but no one was care about it. Thats the reason now we spam about the adena amount and that is vip thing too farm with ss! When they decided to make not craftable the ss it was sure that we will come in this state after some time. Now u have only one selling ss in what price he want. So u cant get it cheaper only when tax are down. U cant farm them and craft them so u must go there too buy.! U dont have any other chance! When they decided too destroy crafter class some ppls was talking. When they decided to destroy spoiler class some ppls again. When me and some ppls was spaming about fixes we never never got a answer from gms. Thats really sad but thats the ugly truth this changes just are horrible.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casemonstro Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 19 hours ago, TrullyPaiin said: All this whining is not going to get you people anywhere. Every update they always managed to break game mechanic(s) yet you all still spend on P2W items. Most of the whiners on this thread crying about TOI have ++ parties farming in catacombs, necros, devils isle and are the owners of the bots in abandon camp and ruins of agony. Keep crying, you are the same trolls that have made it harder for average players and contributed to this server's failure. Castle owners still have high taxes on players! Now you have the audacity cry and whine about TOI? You know who you are. I suggest lowering the adena in all catacombs, necros, devils isle, abandon camp and ruins of agony as well. Ncsoft is responsible for destroying classic but you contributed just as much to the destruction. I agree with you! I myself have been in ToI 2x in 3 years as I have accumulated adenas and paid Plvl. Without a doubt, these are places that mere mortals cannot go. to this day I can't go, if not plvl. Even other places are set up so that an average player cannot stay there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sl4yer Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Instead of complaining, I will offer another piece of constructive feedback. Myself and other used to maintain VIP status for the VIP benefits (Brez, EXP, Brooch, Talisman and Agathion Bracelets). You thought it is better to take all of that away. Ok, your business your decision. I don't have to spend money anymore, because, well there is no need to spend money to maintain VIP. What would help me though is to see a forward looking 3 month roadmap. For example, if you could give us something like this: April 1-14 EXP Event and Agathions April 15-30 No event May 1-15 Talisman Event May 16-31 No event June 1-15 Hat Event June 16-30 Pendant Event By seeing something like this, I know when I would need to save up discretionary funds for the game and when not to. Also when you have the events, if you improve the odds of actually winning I bet you would get more people spending. Remember hard core gambling isn't exciting to most people on Classic. Give us more of a return on what we could spend, and we would spend more. That way we have gear for our mains and boxes. Just ideas out of my little brain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaSantera Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 15 hours ago, Casemonstro said: I agree with you! I myself have been in ToI 2x in 3 years as I have accumulated adenas and paid Plvl. Without a doubt, these are places that mere mortals cannot go. to this day I can't go, if not plvl. Even other places are set up so that an average player cannot stay there. I think they maked toi and the other hard spots like that so we can go there like group jus everyone want go solo. Ok the adena that this zones drop atm are 0 but it is like that cuz we can open 10 cliets it dosent mean we must play solo. Lineage was ever team game. Don't look that some ppls habe awesome gear and they solo and they kill fast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casemonstro Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, LaSantera said: I think they maked toi and the other hard spots like that so we can go there like group jus everyone want go solo. Ok the adena that this zones drop atm are 0 but it is like that cuz we can open 10 cliets it dosent mean we must play solo. Lineage was ever team game. Don't look that some ppls habe awesome gear and they solo and they kill fast I agree this game has always been a team game, never a solo game. --- About the points to be improved I have been talking for years about: Original quests, I mean the old ones, were great to do and gave life/purpose to the game. Revitalize the dwarf, as they have only been de-characterized for years, they were once super important breeds, a mechanism for the game to work, means to conquer things. Scenarios, stop destroying scenarios and don't put anything in their place, just empty spaces. Fix the VIP Staff participatory, communicative, otherwise the existence of the forum loses its meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sl4yer Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 I have been on TOI 3 with 4 unique other players running a 4 person party, not soloing. To cover consumable costs, I need to make 15M adena per day. With the new change to adena, I am making 10.5 per day. I am officially going negative. There are 2 options to make adena now. 1) Turn off SS and kill much slower. 2) Ask 2 of my friends to leave party, going down to a duo. Both of those options will allow me enough adena to cover costs. These changes are having the opposite effect of making people work together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxK Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 I Just realize the mobs at Wall of Argos are spawning on the top of new wall... now we must learn how to fly kkk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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