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12 hours ago, Hermes said:

Hi folks,

We appreciate everyone stopping by and sharing their opinion regarding the new items added to the L2 Store.

We are following the thread and value everyone's feedback.

Regards,
Hermes

you really want us to tell you what worth right now to add in ncstore? sure sure why not, for free

Double the amough ncoin in same money,  we need that, right now ncoin price for pixel its to high, cause rmt increase pixel cost higher, they have 1000t adena could be more on each server,  just look the top 100 rank gamer how much adena gain in a day, and make brooch jewel event, all server out of lv5 and greater jewel,  in ah i see only reselled jewels, no new 1.

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1 hour ago, LordDragnil said:

In-game store items should have higher prices then game ones. But:

1. It's  still expensive. 

2. Items shall be obtainable via game process also.

yes but they fail to address the other big pink elephant in the room  (lets call the huge l2store prices the blue elephant :P ) which I explained in my previous post here about the hyper inflation and how everyone does their item pricing math based on adena / $ - the real one and not the fake l2store driven one hence my request to NC Soft to stop pushing ppl towards rmt as that's 4x cheaper then them

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the problem is, if we say this, like lower the price for ncoin to half, ncsoft will think, then who was buy  ncoin for xyz will buy now half, that not true, they will pay same money even if the ncoin doubled, why? because  you guys add so many thing to upgrading,  still have a lot meat to buy.

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41 minutes ago, KissMyKnife said:

the problem is, if we say this, like lower the price for ncoin to half, ncsoft will think, then who was buy  ncoin for xyz will buy now half, that not true, they will pay same money even if the ncoin doubled, why? because  you guys add so many thing to upgrading,  still have a lot meat to buy.

the reality is that ncwest took ages to react to rmt and botting problem in its servers..... they added ncoins, they reduced adena drop, excluded items from its drop lists , added macro ( i think that was a nice move to cover botting and not eliminating it) the server lacks of some key mats like star signs, cyrstal of dawns , elcyum. through the years there is a banch of ppl , we all know them, that control the market, they set up event prices, ncoin prices and the flow of mats in the game that the only solution for a healthy game is a reset - which noone really wants- 

i believe making l2 cheaper will fill up the servers, nc will regain respect from grown ups that are the core players of l2 and of course be a fun game for new ppl to join the community 

i respect its a company and needs to make win , but in the case of l2  there is a few players that make a lot more money from game through rmt than ncoins for the company!!!

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@Hermesplz note how in Korea they sell those special event Cookies as a separate item 

https://lineage2.plaync.com/board/l2awknnotice/view?articleId=221096&categoryId=0&viewMode=list&size=2

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also they get not 1 or 2 but 5hrs worth of random buff potions out of their loot boxes, note the 10 beers / dragon potions, same for their roses in the follow up reward boxes etc

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On 6/2/2022 at 2:18 AM, Draecke said:

nice reply but you might want to think over the adena inflation issue a bit and how that works through everything else be that dirt cheap adena from black markets or dumb crazy high ncoin to adena ratio's

ironically the ppl that farm hundreds of bils adena a week are also the ones that destroyed the market by either driving up prices purely based of their buying power or the fact they know others do the same so want to maximize profits on any item they sell  thus setting unrealistic prices and well other sheep just follow as greed is contagious

it's quite simple classic L2greed meets nc soft incompetence to control the adena generated, brought to you from the ppl that made it possible to farm double spots in places like Isle of Souls and heck even ToI

it's stuff like that which maybe makes the high l2store prices nearly sound reasonable as well everything else is also messed up right ? such thinking is quite depressing & tragic in my book even if it's seemingly the simple truth.

 

Problem is also on Players side because They keep items, overpricing because They want make profit or rmt, theres also low number of top items in game and low/mid Players cant Gear up, They open chests with No luck and waste real cash They can use monthly for ncoin.

Alot Peoples decide to rmt with 100%item than open chests with 1% chance to drop rare item. 

Items price make Peoples keeping adena and dont use it regular

To safe market ncsoft should make not over price chests with guarante Basic items, farm euros on enchant with better chance to help Peoples enchant it (for example dragon jewels or God jewels bootles, lv2-3 dw etc bootles) 

They must help Players Gear up cheap, then force to upgrade it with ncoins.

Make dragon raids very rare drops That will make servers more live with pvp, top clans to find more Peoples and fight for it.

Also any special reward each Player invited in comand Channel and  registered to siege (just for active ones, not toons of bots dead around siege zone - for example mission: stay alive during siege 30min to get reward) 

Thats my few words about this situation. 

@Hermes

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Naia fact check:

Prices for Crystals of Dawn have dropped

Instead of 5.6 Crystals for the same money (if you trade NC to chests, and then chests to adena (17.5-18b/10 for 720 NC) and, adena back to crystals (2.3-2.4), you get 7.5 crystals. Same goes for other items like chapter ones, so, better to keep draecke away from pricing lol. 

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4 hours ago, beltway said:

Naia fact check:

Prices for Crystals of Dawn have dropped

Instead of 5.6 Crystals for the same money (if you trade NC to chests, and then chests to adena (17.5-18b/10 for 720 NC) and, adena back to crystals (2.3-2.4), you get 7.5 crystals. Same goes for other items like chapter ones, so, better to keep draecke away from pricing lol. 

We are talking about $$ price not in game prices , 

People who stockpile dawns now scared and dropping prices but altho , its cheaper to buy event boxes and sell them and buy dawns as 90$ for 1 item upgrade that's hell of a lot.. not sure about your financial status but mine is average i can spare only 100~150£ a month on a hobby and that's top for me.. 

In other games I used to spend similar 20~£ a week for a skin or some craps , but when a game requires you to spend more to play that's no no for me.

 

Hopefully upcoming L2Pass for Live will save the day.

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40 minutes ago, AshesOfAden said:

Hopefully upcoming L2Pass for Live will save the day.

I have a feeling the upcoming l2Pass won't save the day. I think it'll be horrible and extremely pay2win with useless items. 

Right now we have Prestige, Destiny Pack, L2 store and L2pass is coming soon.. the cost requirements for l2, each month, will be insane.

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6 hours ago, beltway said:

Naia fact check:

Prices for Crystals of Dawn have dropped

Instead of 5.6 Crystals for the same money (if you trade NC to chests, and then chests to adena (17.5-18b/10 for 720 NC) and, adena back to crystals (2.3-2.4), you get 7.5 crystals. Same goes for other items like chapter ones, so, better to keep draecke away from pricing lol. 

u forgot to mention the codex chapter1's which also are slightly cheaper now and prolly a few more items but just cause a handful items got slightly better doesn't mean that justifies what's on the overall is horrible pricing and the cheapest way still remains to ebay adena instead - that can't be a healthy business model for any game don't ya agree ?

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On 6/1/2022 at 8:49 AM, Hermes said:

Hi folks,

We appreciate everyone stopping by and sharing their opinion regarding the new items added to the L2 Store.

We are following the thread and value everyone's feedback.

Regards,
Hermes

Ok, I will math for you.

So, this game is under the Free to Play model which means it should cost nothing to play.  However, at around the 107 level you must do something to make proper progress in the game.  Adena drop are trash to the point where you can’t buy items nor is there any possible way to gather any items to sell for adena until your lvl 107.  You will not be able to effectively farm Primeval Isle or Isle of Souls with the start gear provided.

Which leds me into this, the consumable buff pots are an absolute must for those that can’t afford gear or need some extra damage to farm areas to get items to sell for gear.

Current Prices:

Glowing Dragon Attribute Potion Pack (2) – 8 NCoin

Freya’s Ice Rose (2) – 8 NCoin

Honey Dark Beer (2) – 8 NCoin

So with the above prices/amount per pack it cost 192 NCoin a day to utilize one of the above items and 576 NCoin for all three a day. 

With it be 800 NCoin per $10.00 or 1 NCoin = .0125 cents an coin.  Then it is $2.40 a day for one package or $7.20 daily in NCoin for all three.

We could also look at it as a monthly item as well and utilize the prestige pack for its base 30 days.  Then it would be $72.00 a month to use just one item 24/7 for the month or $216.00 to use all three items for the month.

If you are going to use all three items then you must really enjoy Lineage 2, so you would end up running a Destiney Pack ($30.00) for 30 days, Prestige pack ($15.00) for 30 days, and all three packages for 30 days ($216.00) which in total $261.00 a month to run full basic pots/boost/runes to play a “FREE-TO-PLAY” model game. 

We could go continue to add in the Freya Scrolls and Nevit pots but those are not required.

I just cant figure out why you need the community to provide this information to you when server population is decreasing, new players are hard to find, and there is absolutely no way to get some of the promo items needed to XP in game.

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34 minutes ago, BENTEJUI said:

my opinion is if you have to pay those prices at least put the enchantment at 100%

in skilss and other enchantment products

because the rates of this game are very frustrating and spend 90 or 100 euros as the economy is, especially in Europe

how to fail more than half

check that too

the most logical thing is that 2 out of 10 fail, not 8 out of 10

and in the layers they fail sometimes 100%

yea, i didn't even add in the PROMO prices into my calculations.  I only went based off a player that wants to enjoy the game monthly to xp period.

 

This part alone could send someone into a second mortgage. 

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4 hours ago, LuckyStrikz said:

I just cant figure out why you need the community to provide this information to you when server population is decreasing, new players are hard to find, and there is absolutely no way to get some of the promo items needed to XP in game.

As you can see, they don't care if server population is decreasing. Classic is a very good example, dead server but the amount of people that keep spending in there is fine for NC.

I agree with everything else you wrote. L2 Store - Consumables for real money, items for real money, destiny/prestige for real money, heavy pay2win promo "events" like the cloak "event", gambling casino loot boxes, farm with 1-2-3-4 and more PCs/laptop also increases your monthly electricity payment. The only "free to play" is to just login, for all the rest you need to pay.

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Extend cookie for atleast 2 weeks please, alot of people have 1k+, its dumb to time those,  you want people to buy 5k box, but you tell them item they got will be deleted after 3 weeks,   you better fire your marketing team, any of us could be a better job there

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4 hours ago, Arkidis said:

As you can see, they don't care if server population is decreasing. Classic is a very good example, dead server but the amount of people that keep spending in there is fine for NC.

I agree with everything else you wrote. L2 Store - Consumables for real money, items for real money, destiny/prestige for real money, heavy pay2win promo "events" like the cloak "event", gambling casino loot boxes, farm with 1-2-3-4 and more PCs/laptop also increases your monthly electricity payment. The only "free to play" is to just login, for all the rest you need to pay.

At least our hero players striving selling items in Black Market for real cash and invest them back again in promo boxes to sell more items for cash.. 

They have to bring old structure of the game back to eliminate this so everything would be achievable in game..

You need boosts?  you go Crysis

You need enchants? You go primeval 

You need something else?  nowhere to go?

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On 6/1/2022 at 5:18 PM, Draecke said:

nice reply but you might want to think over the adena inflation issue a bit and how that works through everything else be that dirt cheap adena from black markets or dumb crazy high ncoin to adena ratio's

ironically the ppl that farm hundreds of bils adena a week are also the ones that destroyed the market by either driving up prices purely based of their buying power or the fact they know others do the same so want to maximize profits on any item they sell  thus setting unrealistic prices and well other sheep just follow as greed is contagious

it's quite simple classic L2greed meets nc soft incompetence to control the adena generated, brought to you from the ppl that made it possible to farm double spots in places like Isle of Souls and heck even ToI

it's stuff like that which maybe makes the high l2store prices nearly sound reasonable as well everything else is also messed up right ? such thinking is quite depressing & tragic in my book even if it's seemingly the simple truth.

 

Agreed, the store SHOULD be what controls the adena prices AND item prices in game. If we had items in the store like other servers have in the Eisenhad store, it keeps THOSE items in the store from ever increasing in price above that set store price. So although nice job on adding things to the NC Store, shame on you for gouging people based on run away inflation that is 100% NC Soft Wests fault in the first place. LOWER the prices in the shop ADD things like dragon claws, bloods, lvl 5 jewels etc. so the higher ticket items that are driving up prices are static (if you're not going to have all items we need in game drop, then make them available in the store). 

This is basic game economics 101, you wont lose money with low prices, you'll actually make MORE because 1. more people will play because the paywall wont be 50k per character 2. The more people that play will gear MORE toons because guess what, that's half the fun of l2.  

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9 hours ago, AshesOfAden said:

At least our hero players striving selling items in Black Market for real cash and invest them back again in promo boxes to sell more items for cash.. 

They have to bring old structure of the game back to eliminate this so everything would be achievable in game..

You need boosts?  you go Crysis

You need enchants? You go primeval 

You need something else?  nowhere to go?

And how are they supposed to make living of the game in this case?

And, if you reply that you don't care, the next question: what will be there for them to maintain incentive to play, if the environment they live in is no longer providing them things they want? They will bail out, revenues will drop (risk of NCWest closure), while the vacuum they created by leaving will be pretty fast occupied by the same mindset but less thirsty people (their thirst is never satiated, and, will progress exponentially). Same low (lol) ppl will be oppressed. It is their destiny to be oppressed. You don't quit life if you are not a king, an oligarch or arab sheikh, do you? :D

Now I will try to expand it global. For the reasons above ppl created religions - you ain't a king (hero), your life is miserable (not farming toi solo), then, oppose yourself (i am an pve) and others like you (pve clan) against the system (corrupt spenders), make it trendy to suffer (i go exp to locations lower to save on roses/boosts/prestige), saying that in the afterlife you are rewarded (when red libra comes with non-tradeable greater rubies and dragon weapons). That's how religions (or communism) was created :D My point is, that you don't have to participate in that, since it is a game, not even a real life :D

I believe that ppl like you, or Draecke, have far more important things in life. Your era is gone in, maybe, 2012.

And, please, let NCW people milk the money :D

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On 6/4/2022 at 7:27 PM, Draecke said:

u forgot to mention the codex chapter1's which also are slightly cheaper now and prolly a few more items but just cause a handful items got slightly better doesn't mean that justifies what's on the overall is horrible pricing and the cheapest way still remains to ebay adena instead - that can't be a healthy business model for any game don't ya agree ?

Sorry, was trying to get some mails from Naia concerning Adena prices. 

Now I have to apologize for cheap trolling technique. I just can't understand why are you so concerned about the game in general, and prices in particular.

And, if we are to prove some points seriously:

Chapter 1 prices after I bought about 30 codices has escalated to 1.2 - 1.3b. In the beginning of the month.. meaning that it will stay so, unless there's an event dishing them out. So, addition to the NCStore got them more expensive (bought my for 950).

Masteries, the same way, 550, occasional 530 are now 600+. Didn't monitor chapter 1 masteries, but likely trend is the same.

Does it mean that a bunch of ppl bought 10-11 chests, sold them, and, spent that money on a skill enchantment spree? Questionable, but, who knows?

Gem Energies are also grew from 1.2 to 1.5, occasional 1.7. Insanities are gone. 

Surprisingly! Greater Runestones from 4.8 got to 13b! (currently only 1 is available - rumors on redlibra?).

Regarding your question: 

Like we the situation or not, the message spam tells us that the price for many ppl is ok, even if we exclude ppl like me who buy chests to sell them for Adena. OFC i would like some untradeable 1 NCoin dragon weapon version, crys of dawn, runestones and chapter ones for 1 NC each, but, from the POV of the company, why should they say for 1 NCoin, if they easily sell it for 5k USD? I am not satisfied, you are not, another 2k ppl are not, but, cha-ching sound is there, money is coming, only 5-10 treehuggers protesters are on forums, so, let it be this way. 

The E-bay you mention is the same song just as a gameplay extension software (colloquially known as a Z-R*****) - one of the old scandals (heard like 5 years ago on some DanielDefoe podcast - famous communist player) around communist official servers (you know the company) brought up banned players' reports on such matters. The point of that story was that the hosting company not only was aware, but also was "financially interested" in both RMT situations and the gameplay extension software. I am not sure that here it is the other way.

In one way or another, it is a win-win. 

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On 6/4/2022 at 4:59 PM, AshesOfAden said:

We are talking about $$ price not in game prices , 

People who stockpile dawns now scared and dropping prices but altho , its cheaper to buy event boxes and sell them and buy dawns as 90$ for 1 item upgrade that's hell of a lot.. not sure about your financial status but mine is average i can spare only 100~150£ a month on a hobby and that's top for me.. 

In other games I used to spend similar 20~£ a week for a skin or some craps , but when a game requires you to spend more to play that's no no for me.

 

Hopefully upcoming L2Pass for Live will save the day.

I buy only Prestige Pack, and, sometimes, like now, buying promo items to sell them for adena, or, some real beneficial sets of items (like remember last time: exalted set, dragon shirt +5, brooch, artifacts). 

Apart from that will be waiting for crystals-of-dawn and gem-energy containing promos, or, again, some chests with good NCoin:Adena conversion ratio :D

PS: $$ price forms In-Game prices :D And vice versa :D

Most of the clans lv10+ have discord with a special section (wtb/wts), where, more than 60-70% posts are asking you for Euros/Dollars, not the Adena.

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