Patro Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, TrOLLw said: Ignorance is not a excuse.Bake'em away boys. Repeated macros are part of the functionality of the game so players can use them at their discretion. There are no sanctions provided for the use of game macros. Any consequences of using repeated macros (lost items, experience) are the risks of the user who left their characters unattended. On Skelth its legal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLinden Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Patro said: You see why there is no point to keep up this conversation? You must be a potato if you cant dance/sing every 5 mins and right click again on the loop macro. You can only have 1 looping macro active. You cant keep assisting on every target and still keeping dance/song syncro. (he dont change screens to dance or song) Very simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patro Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, xLinden said: You can only have 1 looping macro active. You cant keep assisting on every target and still keeping dance/song syncro. (he dont change screens to dance or song) Very simple. Potato for sure! As you can see he has 8 clients on this computer. But there are 9 chars in the party. Maybe he is a magician and playing 9 chars with 8 clients BD/SWS are on the 2nd computer. A guy on the comments asked him how can he dance/sing and keep assisting with bd/sws as he does. The answer was: BD/SWS are on the 2nd pc Find a guy who can speak russian and he can translate it for you or just use google translate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zark Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Kladroun said: Bots were never a problem on EU/RU classic servers before auto-macroses. So they found a way to control it or maybe risks to lose everything in ban wave were too high. If the bots were not a problem, why did they need to control them? People say that "bots are unavoidable and that they are not a real problem", at the same time, "bot" (loop macros) for everyone is a problem? The problem is how many people are using it then? People have to decide if it is a problem or not in the first place. What results in a good experience has nothing to do with the fact that the game is hardcore or not, but what experience it provides. Only a minority will say that the necessary interaction with other people and the PvP, are not the best things that lineage can provide. However, this experience comes from an insane and unhealthy grind in my opinion, unfortunately. Lineage, like any other game, is doomed to lose players when everyone is tired of the same experience provided. All games have casual and hardcore players, and there will always be someone wanting to get ahead of others, this is not the issue, if it were the problem, Lineage would have to radically change its own mechanics. One of the reasons why WoW has been so successful has to do with the fact that it has been able to provide good experiences through more hardcore and casual content at the same time. But even they are doing a classic version, to provide the old experiences that were killed with the group finders, not simply because it was "hardcore". I do not want to make comparisons and talk about how the game should grow old(when it starts to decay and what to do to deal with it), but to point out that the more balanced the development of the farm in lineage, the better for everyone, neither looping macros, nor bots will solve the problem. If someone think bots are not a problem, they have to admit that there is also no problem with loop macros. It looks like a way to "mitigate" a problem of the game and I'll use it 24/7 if possible, no doubt, everyone should too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLinden Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 33 minutes ago, Patro said: Potato for sure! As you can see he has 8 clients on this computer. But there are 9 chars in the party. Maybe he is a magician and playing 9 chars with 8 clients BD/SWS are on the 2nd computer. A guy on the comments asked him how can he dance/sing and keep assisting with bd/sws as he does. The answer was: BD/SWS are on the 2nd pc Find a guy who can speak russian and he can translate it for you or just use google translate. You still didnt understand that Macro cant do what he does.... Only if he keep checking this other computer every ~4min for dance/song and restart the assist macro, what would kill anything you say about the macros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longinus Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I'm getting sick reading all the Russians talking about skelt, and trying to clear the path for bot trains w/o macros , I only care for my iss assist me for rebuff , when I'm alone , I don't do 24 hrs farming even with macros loop, that's not real on a adult life, and this is a clear picture that RMT is coming hard , if juji take out macros , but not enforce gm action baning bots, or something , then maybe is better not spend in this project, they can't do nothing against Euro rmt, last year after they ban the ips, we have the serious ddos, now this @Juji serious man? I don't know for me look like clearing path for rmt, they even don't use macros because is inefective, macros dont resu, dont return to spot, jeesus, is hard to diference bots from macros? C'mon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cld Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 what a shitshow this thread has become, this is not about botting, it's about macros, which we all agree it's a great feature and we're all glad it will be in game in october 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalaajieh Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Please remove looping macro. European server Skelth is a good example of how macro crushed the game totally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldgamer Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Why some one want to exp on macro 24/7? 1.Get to the end game fast. 2.Farm all good spots by dlvl hes toons so he can stay there for ever and make money by selling the adena. Well for the No1 let me tell you all the fun is on the ride not the end.If you work hard you can njoy more the end game trust me. Nothing to say about No2 they see the game as business they never wanna really play this game . If people say i have no time for exp mpla mpla mpla well l2 classic is not your game play l2 on live server and do only instance you need only 2 hours a day or play something else you think is fun to play. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosh Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I quit playing L2 because of bots, if everyone is allowed to Auto-loop and look like bots I will probably quit again. What's the point in playing the game if you don't actually play it and just Auto-loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cld Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 STOP WRITING ABOUT PEOPLE RUNNING FULL MACRO LOOPING PARTIES YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT HERE YOU CANNOT LOG IN MORE THAN 3 BOXES THERE ARE NO SPOTS THERE ARE NO CATAS THERE WILL BE 100 RUSSIANS PKING YOU EVERYTIME YOU GET CLOSER TO A MOB STOP GIVING YOUR OPINION ABOUT THINGS YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND STOP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krissa Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Cld said: STOP WRITING ABOUT PEOPLE RUNNING FULL MACRO LOOPING PARTIES YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT HERE YOU CANNOT LOG IN MORE THAN 3 BOXES THERE ARE NO SPOTS THERE ARE NO CATAS THERE WILL BE 100 RUSSIANS PKING YOU EVERYTIME YOU GET CLOSER TO A MOB STOP GIVING YOUR OPINION ABOUT THINGS YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND STOP You mean that botters will PK your autoloop "party" to get your grinding spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GniTs Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, Cld said: STOP WRITING ABOUT PEOPLE RUNNING FULL MACRO LOOPING PARTIES YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT HERE YOU CANNOT LOG IN MORE THAN 3 BOXES THERE ARE NO SPOTS THERE ARE NO CATAS THERE WILL BE 100 RUSSIANS PKING YOU EVERYTIME YOU GET CLOSER TO A MOB STOP GIVING YOUR OPINION ABOUT THINGS YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND STOP Europeans are trying to kill our servers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 loop macros is a part of gameplay, it create by korean developers for more easy grinding.Who dont like the macros that can go to hell out of the game In the 21st century we should be able to have gaming functionality to facilitate the exping Nolifers in the minority they will not buy vip and game shop items and they will soon leave the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classick Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I believe that a lot of what is fueling the positive sentiment for the removal of looping macros is nostalgia about how we played Lineage 2 in the early days when we were all younger. There's some realities of today that we should think about when delving back into Classic to re-live the experience: We're older now and can commit less time to playing l2, the grind in Classic is brutal and it's hard to spend every minute of the hour at your computer grinding with so many more responsibilities. Also, There is significantly more exposure and access to programs that enable players to go afk and still make progress (botting programs, macro software). While in general these are seen as illegal, I'm presently skeptical that we can confidently say they'll be prevented and those who play totally 'legit' are not in an unfair situation compared to those willing to bend the rules. With that being said, I do think there's a genuine fear of what could come if macro loops are the baseline play experience. Namely full trains ran by 1 person, and the removal of meaningful world pvp/ganking because every group is an afk train. There's some things in Classic that alleviate these concerns for me personally: 1.5 is a small world, good exp/farm spots will be contested and attempting to macro loop a group with afk players can be griefed easily by trains or via pking which is cheap to clear with scrolls from the judge. Additionally, Box count is limited to 3 clients - for the most part this is going to prevent an individual from running an unreasonable amount of characters at once. While it is possible someone with extra machines will have access to this, it's significantly less accessible compared to bot or macro software. Ultimately when considering these realities, looping macros is the lesser of all evils in consideration and provides the fairest playing field for all players. It's my best interest that these servers are thriving for months to come, and everyone who wants to come back and experience L2 again despite their real-life situation are able to. The removal of looping macros will result in players using illegal programs to gain a significant advantage over those who don't - causing them to slowly fall behind and quit. @Juji I understand there is a tech request outstanding to remove these macros. Please seriously consider the reality of what is expected out players in 2018 to keep up in Classic, and the value looping macros add to solve that problem without players looking to cheating as an alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yech Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Auto macro killed Skelth. Don't do the same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enthused Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Make it so any looping macro is only active for 10 minutes then automatically turns off. It then must be manually toggled back on, and goes for another 10 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishfood Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Classick said it well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 43 minutes ago, Yech said: Auto macro killed Skelth. Don't do the same here. Bots kill Skelth,not a macro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kladroun Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 53 minutes ago, Classick said: The removal of looping macros will result in players using illegal programs to gain a significant advantage over those who don't - causing them to slowly fall behind and quit. Allow looping macroses and players who wants to play competetive game will be forced to make trains. But you will have zero options to fight this system because its LEGAL. The only way to compete with them is to make your own trains. EU-RU servers learned this lesson, it looks like NA community does not want to learn on other's mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 14 hours ago, Juji said: Hello All, Apologies for my delay in response to this hot topic on the macro system. The auto loop macro functionality is currently in our build for the Classic Server, but we have an outstanding request with the Dev team to remove it. I will keep you updated once we hear back from Dev on its removal and truly hope it can be implemented in time for the launch next week. Best Regards, Juji Naia server is full of bots,it coming back to the spot after the death on script You cant beat bot program but want to disable a legal function of the macro system, created by the developers for the players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kladroun Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 20 minutes ago, Sayonara said: Bots kill Skelth,not a macro When you make stupid statement you better show us some evidences. Tell us your level on Skelth. Show us some thread on EU classic forums, where people complain about bots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, Kladroun said: Allow looping macroses and players who wants to play competetive game will be forced to make trains. But you will have zero options to fight this system because its LEGAL. The only way to compete with them is to make your own trains. EU-RU servers learned this lesson, it looks like NA community does not want to learn on other's mistakes. You can go back to your RU EU servers and advise them how to fix their "mistakes" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kladroun Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sayonara said: You can go back to your RU servers and advise them how to fix them "mistakes" No, thanks. I will stay here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kladroun said: No, thanks. I will stay here. Then dont spamming about removing macro system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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