AlishaBaily Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Dear representatives of NCSoft. I am writing because of the blocking of my country. I ask you to carefully consider this appeal. I live in Ukraine. Almost from the very release of Lineage 2, I am a fan of this game. In the same way as many of my fellow citizens. All the time we played on the official Russian server 4game. But after the military aggression of Russia to Ukraine, we do not want to support companies from Russia. Ukraine imposed sanctions against Russian companies, and we do not have normal access to official Russian servers. Ukraine have blocked access to these servers! And we don’t want to pay a company that pays taxes to the state that kills people, my friends in the east of my country. Ukraine, America and the European Union together did a very big joint work to stop the Russian aggression. But at the same time, Ukraine (the biggest country of European Union) cannot access the servers NCSoft in the USA and Europe. And we can not play on your servers. Also, we can not play on Russian servers for the reasons described above. I am contacting NCSoft to review your server access policies from my region. I understand that this is a difficult issue and it is not easy. I am ready to discuss. But i am believe that we will find a compromise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcysiek Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 39 minutes ago, AlishaBaily said: But at the same time, Ukraine (the biggest country of European Union) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devoid Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 This may need to be brought to the attention of the corporate HQ of NCSoft in Korea. @Juji@Hime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoobg Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 If I was you I would remove fast this sentence: "And we don’t want to pay a company that pays taxes to the state that kills people, my friends in the east of my country." Cause you really do not want to start here a political discussion about Russia, Ukraine, US and money...trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlishaBaily Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, marcysiek said: Sorry, I want say Europeans region 10 minutes ago, spoobg said: If I was you I would remove fast this sentence: "And we don’t want to pay a company that pays taxes to the state that kills people, my friends in the east of my country." Cause you really do not want to start here a political discussion about Russia, Ukraine, US and money...trust me. I do not want a political discussion! Here I called the moral and legislative reason for which we can not play on Russion srevers. But thanks for the your tip) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliaksandr Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 hi AlishaBaily, I have nothing against you and some ppl from Ukraine, BUT my Experience show me, that most Players of L2 from ukraine are agrisive player and the don't show the respect to other players, they insult you , "your mum", they play L2 only for make money. I have this sutuation on L2 Classics Server from 4game. For Example you can see what did Rus + Ukraine players with EU classic server Skelth, they killed them - the server is dead. I am sorry ..., but I don't really want have rus ppl there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AscotPT Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I don't want Global chat beeing spammed with unlegible languages, BRs alredy spamm enough on their language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlishaBaily Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, Aliaksandr said: hi AlishaBaily, I have nothing against you and some ppl from Ukraine, BUT my Experience show me, that most Players of L2 from ukraine are agrisive player and the don't show the respect to other players, they insult you , "your mum", they play L2 only for make money. I have this sutuation on L2 Classics Server from 4game. For Example you can see what did Rus + Ukraine players with EU classic server Skelth, they killed them - the server is dead. I am sorry ..., but I don't really want have rus ppl there. This stereotype! Do not compare Ukrainians and Russians. We have a different mentality. But I agree that we have aggressive players. As in any country, regardless of the region! About RMT. People for whom the game is a business use VPN. Their locks do not stop! Only ordinary players who want to enjoy the game suffer from this blockade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheGame Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 22 minutes ago, Aliaksandr said: I am sorry ..., but I don't really want have rus ppl there. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gauge Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I don't think NCSoft should support people playing on NA servers from any country not actually on the NA continent, let alone the Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlishaBaily Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, InTheGame said: +1 Man, this topic is not about rus people. And about the Ukrainians. Ukraine is not Russia. Ukraine separated from the USSR 28 years ago! We in Ukraine, too, do not like the aggressiveness of the Russians, and therefore we want to stay away from them. And because of this, there are now problems in our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlishaBaily Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, Gauge said: I don't think NCSoft should support people playing on NA servers from any country not actually on the NA continent, let alone the Ukraine. But it so happened now that more than half of the players from Europe. And they have access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florulolo Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Ukrainian people does not equals to russian at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliaksandr Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, AlishaBaily said: Man, this topic is not about rus people. And about the Ukrainians. Ukraine is not Russia. Ukraine separated from the USSR 28 years ago! We in Ukraine, too, do not like the aggressiveness of the Russians, and therefore we want to stay away from them. And because of this, there are now problems in our country. ok, now I show you. the first classic server was made by Innova for: Территория — территории стран, в рамках которых Лицензиар предоставляет Лицензиату лицензию на использование Игры, как это определено в Лицензионном соглашении на Игру. Территория по настоящему Соглашению: Российская Федерация, Украина, Грузия, страны СНГ. Google - translate: Territory - the territories of the countries under which the Licensor grants the Licensee a license to use the Game, as defined in the License Agreement for the Game. The territory under this Agreement: the Russian Federation, Ukraine, Georgia, CIS countries. [END Quote] It is mean, Innova made classic server only for rus speaking people. Now NCSOFT did it the same, for another contries, but without rus speaking player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabala Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 47 minutes ago, Aliaksandr said: hi AlishaBaily, I have nothing against you and some ppl from Ukraine, BUT my Experience show me, that most Players of L2 from ukraine are agrisive player and the don't show the respect to other players, they insult you , "your mum", they play L2 only for make money. I have this sutuation on L2 Classics Server from 4game. For Example you can see what did Rus + Ukraine players with EU classic server Skelth, they killed them - the server is dead. I am sorry ..., but I don't really want have rus ppl there. So , with your last sentence, you added Ukraine to the "Mother Russia" heh? Nice .. Ukraine should be unbanned from the blocked countries no matter what X or Y says. They are part of Easter Europe and they are no longer under "URSS". But, I take it that when NcSoft and Innova signed the contract for Lineage 2, Ukraine was included in"Our Country" list from Innova. Sad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliaksandr Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, Florulolo said: Ukrainian people does not equals to russian at all. Stop say bull shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oeste Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 48 minutes ago, AscotPT said: I don't want Global chat beeing spammed with unlegible languages, BRs alredy spamm enough on their language Lol, lame, ... learn to live outside your box, it will do you good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatHips Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 The appeal is fair, but i'd drop the political part if you actually want a reply as well. I love having international players, but I prefer when they can speak english, I really don't care to have them if I can't interact with them very much. It's well known I met my wife, who is Russian via L2 nine years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oeste Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 42 minutes ago, Gauge said: I don't think NCSoft should support people playing on NA servers from any country not actually on the NA continent, let alone the Ukraine. So how they should set it up according to you? Geographically? Economically? By Skin color? Let them open a USA only server and see how long that lives. I would bet the majority of the population is from Latinamerica and Europe in both active servers. Perhaps Aden is dead because it’s timezone is only NA friendly. Ask NC if they view their business region as USA only or not, you’ll be surprised at their response, ofc saying it sole country based makes it easier for them in terms of standard support and legal compliance, this is a business execution strategy but they will take money from anyone who wants to give it to them regardless of location. And hell yes! Open the servers up to Ukrainians by all means!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabala Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, FatHips said: The appeal is fair, but i'd drop the political part if you actually want a reply as well. This .. 4 minutes ago, FatHips said: I love having international players, but I prefer when they can speak english, I really don't care to have them if I can't interact with them very much. With this, doesn't .. kinda work good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florulolo Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, Aliaksandr said: Stop say bull shit. Argument of the highest standard, hm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatHips Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Oeste said: So how they should set it up according to you? Geographically? Ecojomically? By Skin color? Let them open a USA only server and see how long that lives. I would bet the majority of the population is from Latinamerica and Europe in both active servers. Perhaps Aden is dead because it’s timezone is only NA friendly. Ask NC if they view their business region as USA only or not, you’ll be surprised at their response, ofc saying it sole country based makes ITM easier for them in terms of standard support and legal compliance, this is a business execution strategy but they will take money from anyone who wants to give it to them regardless of location. And hell yes! Open the servers up to Ukrainians by all means!. Personally, I am very fine with it being open to the whole world. Bots will get around IP bans anyways. Normal players won't. As long as the only language supported is English to facilitate better communication and management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatHips Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Kabala said: This .. With this, doesn't .. kinda work good Just saying, for me the fun of playing with international players is the interaction with them so if I can't, I don't care so much either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oeste Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, FatHips said: The appeal is fair, but i'd drop the political part if you actually want a reply as well. I love having international players, but I prefer when they can speak english, I really don't care to have them if I can't interact with them very much. It's well known I met my wife, who is Russian via L2 nine years ago. One of my friends in Chronos is a Russian doctor, she’s one of the smartest, nicest person i’ve met and besides she’s got vodka in her blood, she dances with brown bears and her soul it torn appart lol (and she introduced me to that song ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oeste Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, FatHips said: Personally, I am very fine with it being open to the whole world. Bots will get around IP bans anyways. Normal players won't. As long as the only language supported is English to facilitate better communication and management. Ofc but... you cant force people to talk English only can u? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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