Bot's and Multibox

[TheGardener]

Last night i find one dark elf summoner group running around like a bots, i call him a bot and group leader say me "is multibox" if i dont wrong that is ilegal (eneyone know this is one software that allow mult windows). That allowed @Hime ?
here is the pic that noob saying "this is a multibox" ( I don't success on show photo here xD)

[edited to remove link with names]

And here a little record about that bot or self called multiboxer.  Something about this @Hime ?

I run flag because is you go near flag all wizards hit you at same time and you die.

[edited to remove screenshot with names] 

[beleaua]

you can have multiple computers running and one keyboard to send the same keystrokes to all pc's you have. you don't need any bot software to run something like in the video, just a few pc's.

[Caball]

this is a bot...

everyone how know how bots behave can see that

[TheGardener]

8 minutes ago, beleaua said:

you can have multiple computers running and one keyboard to send the same keystrokes to all pc's you have. you don't need any bot software to run something like in the video, just a few pc's.

See the pic...  They say "Multibox"

[Giraffie]

he is using software anyway,so bun him bun him

[Lawman]

No question they should perma-ban bots.  But they haven't for 15 years.  Not likely they'll start now. 

[Nef]

Multi boxing is normal, always has been in L2.

[beleaua]

1 hour ago, TheGardener said:

See the pic...  They say "Multibox"

so? when was the last time you played live servers? you can see people doing it legit there.

[TheGardener]

5 minutes ago, beleaua said:

so? when was the last time you played live servers? you can see people doing it legit there.

Live server have auto looped macro

[beleaua]

1 minute ago, TheGardener said:

Live server have auto looped macro

I was referring to the multiboxing part you underlined. For the other part see my previous post.

[TheGardener]

1 minute ago, beleaua said:

I was referring to the multiboxing part you underlined. For the other part see my previous post.

Show me how make one Keyboard command to more than one pc w/o a software.

[kupuldog]

@Hime  @Amraith  @Juji @PhoenixMitra 
 

[TheGardener]

2 hours ago, beleaua said:

you can have multiple computers running and one keyboard to send the same keystrokes to all pc's you have. you don't need any bot software to run something like in the video, just a few pc's.

Use this softwares to change you game play is allowed ? @Hime @Juji @Amraith

[beleaua]

1 minute ago, TheGardener said:

Show me how make one Keyboard command to more than one pc w/o a software.

show me how your keyboard, mice, drivers, operating system works without software. you're being too general when you say software or too dense to understand. your os links pieces of hardware together through software. can't judge the person in question unless you're him or ncwest but people have done this legit in many games. this is also how remote networking works on multiple machines, as you're not going to do the same on all separately.

[kupuldog]

7 minutes ago, beleaua said:

show me how your keyboard, mice, drivers, operating system works without software. you're being too general when you say software or too dense to understand. your os links pieces of hardware together through software. can't judge the person in question unless you're him or ncwest but people have done this legit in many games. this is also how remote networking works on multiple machines, as you're not going to do the same on all separately.

So? It's clearly said all the macro mouses and keyboards aren't allowed in here. The only macro you can use is ALT+R. 

[beleaua]

2 minutes ago, TheGardener said:

Use this softwares to change you game play is allowed ? @Hime @Juji @Amraith

have you ever had a mouse or keyboard that can run macros? in the same way those are done through software, to automate stuff for you.  it's legit as long as you're not afk or do more than the game allow it (read target hp to use heal). same way you can have multiple games and get the same command from one keyboard. you don't use a bot software to log in, you don't alter the game, you're not afk, you don't automatically search targets or read their hp. it's not first time it happened and not first time they said it's ok.

[beleaua]

Just now, kupuldog said:

So? It's clearly said all the macro mouses and keyboards aren't allowed in here. The only macro you can use is ALT+R. 

where?

[kupuldog]

Go find and read the rules yourself

[beleaua]

6 minutes ago, kupuldog said:

Go find and read the rules yourself

i know the rules, have played for many years here. keyboard and mouse macros are allowed if you're not afk. now, as i asked you, show me otherwise.

[kupuldog]

YOU MAY NOT USE ANY THIRD-PARTY PROGRAM (SUCH AS A "BOT") IN ORDER TO AUTOMATE GAMEPLAY FUNCTIONS
(c) Use, or provide others with, any software related to the Game, including any automation software (a.k.a. "bot") or software designed to change or modify operation of the Game;
https://us.ncsoft.com/en/legal/lineage-2/lineage-2-rules-of-conduct.php
https://us.ncsoft.com/en/legal/lineage-2/lineage-2-user-agreement.php
WTF are you talking about?
YOU MAY NOT USE ANY THIRD-PARTY PROGRAM (SUCH AS A "BOT") IN ORDER TO AUTOMATE GAMEPLAY FUNCTIONS
(c) Use, or provide others with, any software related to the Game, including any automation software (a.k.a. "bot") or software designed to change or modify operation of the Game;
@Juji @Hime Please check this guy, I bet he's also using it.

[beleaua]

Just now, kupuldog said:

YOU MAY NOT USE ANY THIRD-PARTY PROGRAM (SUCH AS A "BOT") IN ORDER TO AUTOMATE GAMEPLAY FUNCTIONS
https://us.ncsoft.com/en/legal/lineage-2/lineage-2-rules-of-conduct.php
https://us.ncsoft.com/en/legal/lineage-2/lineage-2-user-agreement.php
WTF are you talking about? YOU MAY NOT USE ANY THIRD-PARTY PROGRAM (SUCH AS A "BOT") IN ORDER TO AUTOMATE GAMEPLAY FUNCTIONS
YOU MAY NOT USE ANY THIRD-PARTY PROGRAM (SUCH AS A "BOT") IN ORDER TO AUTOMATE GAMEPLAY FUNCTIONS
@Juji @Hime Please check this guy, I bet he's also using it.

haha. you are mad. this guy played since 2005 and still legit, no ban so far. also not playing classic anymore but sure...

kid, it says there bot. keyboard and mices are not bots. here is what ncwest staff said over the years

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We ban for bots. It is that simple. Don’t muddle the discussion with Ventrilo/Teamspeak, AV programs, or even Keyboard Macros. The makers of Ventrilo did not have to decrypt Lineage II to make their product work. AV programs may scan game packets for particular algorithms but I don't think Norton wants to take a castle or get better at the manor system. As for fancy keyboards and mice with macro software... you will have a GM knock on your screen before you are banned for that. Honestly, if your keyboard macro runs 9 accounts at the same time you need to go out and get a programming job 'cuz you got skillz.

 

The Nostromo SpeedPad is not considered in violation of our rules, unless it is used to automate actions for your character when you are away from the keyboard. Using it to repeat shouts and/or crafts while you are not present is considered 3rd party software use and is against our rules. As long as you are present at the keyboard while using the joystick functions, you are safe and within the rules.

Thank you for contacting Lineage II support. You are welcome to use a nostromo pad to play Lineage II. You must be very careful about programming the pad to automate game play. We request that you only use the nostromo while present at your computer. We understand that many player look for ways to make game play easier by automating certain aspects of the game but if your automation ever interferes with other game play it will become a problem.

The best rule of thumb to follow is to make sure that any macro you make for your nostromo requires your presence to operate.

You will not be punished for what you have done in the past, please just make sure you are present at your computer in the future.

Hello,

I think I can see where there may be some confusion over our position on the use of hardware such as the Logitech G15, Nostromo or other programmable game devices. In actuality, our position regarding the use of these devices has never changed. It has always been against the rules when these devices are used to automate game play in a manner not possible through normal game play.

The best way to determine if how you are using these devices is a violation or not is by asking yourself "Can a normal keyboard/mouse combination replicate the same behavior?" If how you are using the programmable device can be done through a regular mouse/keyboard combination, then you won't have anything to worry about.

One example I often hear of is spamming CP potions. These devices can be setup to endlessly spam CP potions with the push of a button. Repeatedly consuming CP potions is possible through the use of a regular keyboard by setting up a hotkey and just holding down the hotkey on the keyboard. The difference is if the programmable device is somehow able to detect the character's CP level and automatically start spamming CP potions at a specific level and then automatically stop spamming the CP potions at a specific level.

There is a very distinguishable difference between using these devices to facilitate game play compared to using these devices to automate game play. We're looking for and testing for the automation. If the character is found to be exhibiting behavior that cannot be replicated through the use of a normal keyboard/mouse setup, then the character is considered to be "botting" even if they are only using a programmable device like the Logitech G15 or Nostromo.

 

[kupuldog]

I just showed you legal NCsoft "papers", you show me some unknow, anonymous quotes. 
Give me links to topics where Administration said - Using macro keyboards and mouses are allowed.

In the video automatization was showed. Auto assists, auto magics, auto heal. It's bot or macros but in both cases it's automatization.
People are getting banned here because XINGCODE finds keyboard and mouse macros softwares in your pc and you still say it's allowed? Oh god if you don't play it why are you here? Get a life dude, you're not interested in playing this game
YOU MAY NOT USE ANY THIRD-PARTY PROGRAM (SUCH AS A "BOT") IN ORDER TO AUTOMATE GAMEPLAY FUNCTIONS
(c) Use, or provide others with, any software related to the Game, including any automation software (a.k.a. "bot") or software designed to change or modify operation of the Game;

[TheGardener]

10 minutes ago, beleaua said:

haha. you are mad. this guy played since 2005 and still legit, no ban so far. also not playing classic anymore but sure...

kid, it says there bot. keyboard and mices are not bots. here is what ncwest staff said over the years

 

This   --->   The best way to determine if how you are using these devices is a violation or not is by asking yourself "Can a NORMAL KEYBOARD/MOUSE combination replicate the same behavior?" If how you are using the programmable device can be done through a REGULAR MOUSE/KEYBOARD COMBINATION, then you won't have anything to worry about.

This don't is a simple keyboard or mouse, this use more than one software to run one group, ONE SIMPLE KEYBOARD + MOUSE NEVER control more than one window or pc w/o another software / hardware.

Can i use a software / hardware to play like this? i need know because i have 8 computers on my work just waiting  @Juji

[kupuldog]

@Juji Yes please tell can we use it? I just bought new laptop with some cool keyboard features, old laptop is still working, it would be cool to have a solo automated nearly full party. My friends have some cool pcs too, they're playing here, I will tell them to start googling how to automate it as soon as you give us green flag to do it, we will have some nice adena without much effort running in 2 full parties and also fully automated parties. Ech, it's just an automated keyboard

[beleaua]

2 minutes ago, TheGardener said:

This   --->   The best way to determine if how you are using these devices is a violation or not is by asking yourself "Can a NORMAL KEYBOARD/MOUSE combination replicate the same behavior?" If how you are using the programmable device can be done through a REGULAR MOUSE/KEYBOARD COMBINATION, then you won't have anything to worry about.

This don't is a simple keyboard or mouse, this use more than one software to run one group, ONE SIMPLE KEYBOARD + MOUSE NEVER control more than one window or pc w/o another software / hardware.

Can i use a software / hardware to play like this? i need know because i have 8 computers on my work just waiting  @Juji

and it followed one example  to understand it. if cp macro is being able to read your cp level and also doing it while you were afk.. then you're in trouble.

anyway, that guy might be or might not be using this, and use something illegal. i only told you it can be done and others did it.

 

@kupuldog those are quotes from  staff members from the game but it's from the older forum which got deleted a few weeks ago. the rules still stand today. if you consider them anonymous, that's on you.