sour Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 This thread's intentions are not to bring attention of this issue to players but to explicitly ask NCwest staff to comment about it. Spoil rates are far far lower than adena and exp rates. Spoil rates appear to be between 10% and 25% of where they should be. This is a serious issue for the in game economy and for players that invested time and rl money on a spoiler class. Its been weeks and NCwest hasn't given us an explanation as to why, despite hundreds of complaints bringing this issue to their attention. We also haven't been informed if they plan on balancing these rates. Can we get some answers please? @Juji @Hime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, sour said: This thread's intentions are not to bring attention of this issue to players but to explicitly ask NCwest staff to comment about it. Spoil rates are far far lower than adena and exp rates. Spoil rates appear to be between 10% and 25% of where they should be. This is a serious issue for the in game economy and for players that invested time and rl money on a spoiler class. Its been weeks and NCwest hasn't given us an explanation as to why, despite hundreds of complaints bringing this issue to their attention. We also haven't been informed if they plan on balancing these rates. Can we get some answers please? @Juji @Hime Dont bother waiting for an answer from them, they dont answer unless it conserns profit to theyr wallets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sour Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 They're losing money as it is. I mean, how many L2 players would consider playing on a 1x server when spoils are between .10 and .25? Lol not many at all. These threads are certainly distracting legit new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairyTale Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I do understant that they nerfed spoil rates into oblivion to make botting less profitable. Not sure if it's a good solution though. But what I don't understand why VIP levels does not increase spoil rates back to normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceAge Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 25 minutes ago, FairyTale said: I do understant that they nerfed spoil rates into oblivion to make botting less profitable. Not sure if it's a good solution though. But what I don't understand why VIP levels does not increase spoil rates back to normal? Who said that they indeed nerfed spoil rates, because of botting ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devoid Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Just now, IceAge said: Who said that they indeed nerfed spoil rates, because of botting ?! Because that's what they used as excuse in LIVE at Lindvior/Valiance/GC. F2P = easy bot entry = uncontrollable inflation = need to remove drops (items/mats/spoil completely, adena reduce to single-two digit for all level (x1 HP) mobs, etc.) and buff mob stats up (e.g. to 750+ all attribute defense for level 85, 1000+ level 99 and so on). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceAge Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Devoid said: Because that's what they used as excuse in LIVE at Lindvior/Valiance/GC. F2P = easy bot entry = uncontrollable inflation = need to remove drops (items/mats/spoil completely, adena reduce to single-two digit for all level (x1 HP) mobs, etc.) and buff mob stats up (e.g. to 750+ all attribute defense for level 85, 1000+ level 99 and so on). Really ? That's a very bad way of dealing with bots. Punishing real players. Geez! Anyway , if that's true, then it seems Adena and Spoil on Classic was also affected by this move. I hope they will fix it , like .. in this maintenance else, my refunds will start coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devoid Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, IceAge said: Anyway , if that's true, then it seems Adena and Spoil on Classic was also affected by this move. I hope they will fix it , like .. in this maintenance else, my refunds will start coming @Juji has already explained that the rates used at EU/Skelth cannot be applied here as they are using a subscription model, unlike here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillSpoil4Food Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 spoil rate is trash,i been farming for iron heads for 4 days not a single one...last week i got one....only one...comeon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakumi Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 20 minutes ago, Devoid said: @Juji has already explained that the rates used at EU/Skelth cannot be applied here as they are using a subscription model, unlike here. I would pay the old $15/m rate without question to just get a normal server that isn't sapping the fun out of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillSpoil4Food Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sakumi said: I would pay the old $15/m rate without question to just get a normal server that isn't sapping the fun out of everything. i agree !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr1MaR Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, WillSpoil4Food said: spoil rate is trash,i been farming for iron heads for 4 days not a single one...last week i got one....only one...comeon... Wtf? Last week got 1? And u spoiling them again this week? U play like 15 minutes a day? I don't even understand how this is possible... I hope admins never listen to players like you who play 15 min a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleistoros Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Omg, you really are rednecks...Just check what JuJi wrotte here.https://forums.lineage2.com/topic/6680-spoil-rates-are-not-fine-imo-with-a-bit-of-evidence/?tab=comments#comment-53437 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceAge Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, Pleistoros said: Omg, you really are rednecks...Just check what JuJi wrotte here.https://forums.lineage2.com/topic/6680-spoil-rates-are-not-fine-imo-with-a-bit-of-evidence/?tab=comments#comment-53437 …..so what? Same as in the past, he is trying to minimize the Adena drop which is very much in the same spot as Spoil. Fixing both is the only way. On another side , the adena/spoil issues has been pointed out by the community since last week, and he's looking at the rates , today! That is very, very bad for business. Plus, it says a lot about him and whoever else is in charge with NA L2 Classic. Meaning he has no idea about whats happening, how things should work, what rates should we get , what rates are currently in, etc. This is a mess of a launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jero Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Currently spoiling Varnish at 90%. Sure some rates need looking into, but there are plenty of mobs out there with really good rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WutWutWut Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 7 hours ago, sour said: This thread's intentions are not to bring attention of this issue to players but to explicitly ask NCwest staff to comment about it. Spoil rates are far far lower than adena and exp rates. Spoil rates appear to be between 10% and 25% of where they should be. This is a serious issue for the in game economy and for players that invested time and rl money on a spoiler class. Its been weeks and NCwest hasn't given us an explanation as to why, despite hundreds of complaints bringing this issue to their attention. We also haven't been informed if they plan on balancing these rates. Can we get some answers please? @Juji @Hime as i see no official comments on 3x -4x mob adena or spoil i think they dont give many bleeps anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WutWutWut Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 19 minutes ago, Jero said: Currently spoiling Varnish at 90%. Sure some rates need looking into, but there are plenty of mobs out there with really good rates. 90% from mob that should give 1-3 and you just get one ;)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jero Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I have no idea where you found a file that says we should get 1-3. We get what we get. I like that the rates are low since the exp on this server is ridiculously easy. Atleast something is slowing it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulga Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 10 hours ago, Sakumi said: I would pay the old $15/m rate without question to just get a normal server that isn't sapping the fun out of everything. Agree, prefere to pay for a fair game than this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzzzzz Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Jero said: I have no idea where you found a file that says we should get 1-3. We get what we get. I like that the rates are low since the exp on this server is ridiculously easy. Atleast something is slowing it down. get to 41+ . we will talk again . spider 17 lvl dropping 200 adena. krator 44lvl x4 hp dropping 400 :D:D:D::D:;DD::D:D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jero Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Yawn. Im higher lvl than you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Now there is in-game VIP and you can easily trade your vip coin to materials and this is what everyone can get. I am considering spoil earning as an extra: you choose this job, you are under the server settings. I would agree on Adena drop amount modification as everyone would benefit from it. But for spoil? if you do not like it, do not play the spoiler would solve the problem. For those wanting to spend $15 per month for EU/Skelth rate, why you guys are still here? You can just go to EU/Skelth server for 10 EU/m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceAge Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 33 minutes ago, Coop said: Now there is in-game VIP and you can easily trade your vip coin to materials and this is what everyone can get. I am considering spoil earning as an extra: you choose this job, you are under the server settings. I would agree on Adena drop amount modification as everyone would benefit from it. But for spoil? if you do not like it, do not play the spoiler would solve the problem. What? So basically you say that P2W is OK, since Silver Coins can be earned only from VIP3+. Nice logic game. GG. Where do you come from ? They ruined the most iconic class in L2 ( spoiler ) and you are fine with this approach ? Man, and I though you love Lineage 2 ( pre GoD ). 34 minutes ago, Coop said: For those wanting to spend $15 per month for EU/Skelth rate, why you guys are still here? You can just go to EU/Skelth server for 10 EU/m. I am going to EU. Thanks! Doesn't matter the server is 3 years old. That means there is a very solid and friendly community there, with a solid market. Let me visit NcSoft servers in 3 years To get an idea, see the Live version of L2. That's how this Classic will look like. And not in 3 years, but more in 6 months. But as I read your post, I realize you are OK with P2W items, so no biggy for you, heh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaShmoo Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 On 10/23/2018 at 12:43 AM, Devoid said: @Juji has already explained that the rates used at EU/Skelth cannot be applied here as they are using a subscription model, unlike here. It doesn't mimic original L2 either. Skelth spoil rates look fairly like what the server was when the game was released way back when, at least the mobs I've come into contact. I've only spoiled more than 1 mat for thread and once for animal bone. I've yet to get multiple coal/ccoal/iron/varnish in a sweep. I've gotten 1 of those with 1 design a few times or 1 iron 1 varnish, but overall the table is not correct at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 hours ago, IceAge said: What? So basically you say that P2W is OK, since Silver Coins can be earned only from VIP3+. Nice logic game. GG. Where do you come from ?They ruined the most iconic class in L2 ( spoiler ) and you are fine with this approach ? Man, and I though you love Lineage 2 ( pre GoD ). Man, there are 31 classes in the game and Spoil is only for 1 class out of 31. I admire it is the most economic class, but that is only for 1 class out of 31. What about other classes? In my understanding, you play a class because you love it. Not because it can make more revenue. A fire game is, you pay the same time/strength, you gain the same effort. Anything needs to be complain, we have complained for 2 years. The play mode taken by NCWest is totally different from the mode taken by EU/4Games. It is more similar to NCTaiwan and is purely P2W. I am not expecting a subscription classic server although I think it is a good idea. The game is dying, whether or not you like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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