An Update on Greater Dyes

[Himmelin 11]

On 11/5/2018 at 11:17 PM, Juji said:

Currently, Greater Dyes will not add stats above +5. This is the intended maximum stat bonus for our Classic servers, and we are currently not considering raising the cap due to major concerns with balance issues that were found in other service regions.

Understandably, many players have used 2nd Class Dyes under the assumption stats can be raised to +12, and the game does not fully indicate that you cannot. To allow for players to remove their applied dyes, and potentially the abundance of dyes you may have, we will be running a special event with Puss the Cat from November 7 to November 21.

Puss the Cat will be offering his services to Classic servers only. His services include:

• Removing Dyes without a fee. All 10 used Dyes will be returned to your inventory.
• Applying dyes to a dye pattern slot without a fee.
• Exchanging dyes for nearly the same Adena price as they were purchased for from the Dye Merchant.

Please note Puss the Cat’s Dye services does not apply to Greater Dyes dropped from Monsters/Field Raids or 1st class dyes. Normal fees and removal costs still apply.

where is puss the cat located?

[Hyperlite 8]

L2 before awakening never allowed stats over +5. I don't really get why people thought we would get this.

 

Once awakening was released, all base stats doubled. +5 was somewhat useless which is why the cap went to +15.

 

+10 or +15 would be a 25-50% increase on some stats. That would not be balanced.

 

I don't get why people are surprised about this. 

[Hikimaru 5]

4 minutes ago, Hyperlite said:

L2 before awakening never allowed stats over +5. I don't really get why people thought we would get this.

 

Once awakening was released, all base stats doubled. +5 was somewhat useless which is why the cap went to +15.

 

+10 or +15 would be a 25-50% increase on some stats. That would not be balanced.

 

I don't get why people are surprised about this. 

First, this L2 Classic, and if you haven't realized it is a new version BASED on the old versions of the game with IMPROVEMENTS. The original version of L2 Classic, which is the one we were supposed to get, had no cap for dyes, and I believe that is the problem, NC keep changing stuff from the ORIGINAL version without asking how the community feel about it.

Second, as some ppl mentioned, some stats such as wit and int were strongly nerfed after you get to certain value, and this is enough to balance ppl that go only for one trait. And finally, you have to remember that every dye has a negative attribute that comes with, and the negative is not nerfed. Therefore, if you go for full wit for example, you will get only 60% of the "pre nerf" value as benefit, but you still lose 100% of what you are taking out. That is why it is balanced, the nerf "punishes" ppl that already have a lot of that specific attribute, and allow classes that don't have that to "catch up". 

[FatHips 237]

mathematically speaking, having higher dye limits breaks certain skills by pushing them beyond their designed pre-awakening rates/limits

also mathematically speaking, higher dye limits also reduces the differences between races by percentage.  This is the type of thing that made GOD so garbage (aside from F2P).  Combining of classes and ruining of the unique value of each race.  Might as well offer race changes and break the game even more.

It is absolutely a good thing they took it out, no question at all and the debate is really weak in the other direction, honestly.

[RickRoss 20]

33 minutes ago, Hyperlite said:

L2 before awakening never allowed stats over +5. I don't really get why people thought we would get this.

 

Once awakening was released, all base stats doubled. +5 was somewhat useless which is why the cap went to +15.

 

+10 or +15 would be a 25-50% increase on some stats. That would not be balanced.

 

I don't get why people are surprised about this. 

Wtf you talk about what aweakining. Why again compare different game series with classic game series. This is not c1-GOD evolution. This is completely different game. And I think before c3 dyes were +15.

[Micke 4]

Great! Happy to hear. Balance is important.

[FatHips 237]

2 minutes ago, RickRoss said:

And I think before c3 dyes were +15.

No.

[LadyKiller 0]

To everyone complaining about this, did you even ever play original Lineage II?! This is supposed to be classic, dyes were always capped at +5 so why would it be any different now? Yeah I know not everything is exactly how it was in C1 but you guys just keep wanting everything handed to you. Classic Lineage was not easy, it was one of the hardest grinds out there and now there's all these players that never even played C1 complaining about every little thing, y'all need to sack up and enjoy the game how it was originally intended to be played.

[FatHips 237]

c1 was a lot easier than this game honestly after about level 30, and more enjoyable

more adena dropped but also you had the chance to drop gear every so often when you died

exp was slower but that was a good thing

Edited November 7, 2018 by FatHips

[RickRoss 20]

5 minutes ago, LadyKiller said:

To everyone complaining about this, did you even ever play original Lineage II?! This is supposed to be classic, dyes were always capped at +5 so why would it be any different now? Yeah I know not everything is exactly how it was in C1 but you guys just keep wanting everything handed to you. Classic Lineage was not easy, it was one of the hardest grinds out there and now there's all these players that never even played C1 complaining about every little thing, y'all need to sack up and enjoy the game how it was originally intended to be played.

L2 CLASSIC IS ORIGINAL CLIENT. ITS NOT PRELUDE, INTERLUDE or WHATEVERLUDE U WANT TO BE. PROBABLY MOST OF YOU HAVE NEVER PLAYED CLASSIC BEFORE.

[Hikimaru 5]

6 minutes ago, LadyKiller said:

To everyone complaining about this, did you even ever play original Lineage II?! This is supposed to be classic, dyes were always capped at +5 so why would it be any different now? Yeah I know not everything is exactly how it was in C1 but you guys just keep wanting everything handed to you. Classic Lineage was not easy, it was one of the hardest grinds out there and now there's all these players that never even played C1 complaining about every little thing, y'all need to sack up and enjoy the game how it was originally intended to be played.

That is what you guys don't get, this is not supposed to be C1, otherwise you would have to cut half of the skills we have atm, even take off the auto use of SS. This a completely new version that combine good things of all versions of l2, and having ability to customize your toon stats is a great thing...

[Hikimaru 5]

I strongly believe ppl should be free to decide if they want to be glass cannons, super tank or balanced, and +12 stats allow you to do that freely.

[SOiL 24]

On 6/11/2018 at 12:12 PM, Dhol said:

The +12 DYEs limit was a great thing on other classic servers. It allowed for much greater diversity between same classes, as it allowed everybody to create his/her unique build of the same class. With +5 limit, there's basically only 1 way to go for every class.

For mage classes you mean.. Even for mages you can choose the +5 or the +4 con, stop whining. Mages already got the upper hand

[Arslan 1]

Good job.

[FatHips 237]

1 hour ago, Hikimaru said:

I strongly believe ppl should be free to decide if they want to be glass cannons, super tank or balanced, and +12 stats allow you to do that freely.

dillutes racial differences imo

and we all know there are huge racial differences in L2

[Zeeki 9]

Problem is this change alone does not bring balance. Yes, it nerf OP classes: mages, archers, destro and tyrant.  Problem is it nerf as well classes that does not need nerf . And it does not nerf other broken classes like WL.

There is still old disbalance where mages make +4 int, +4 wit, +4 con for no cost while fighters need to sacrafice con.

 

Classic have far more broken things than +12 dyes. Like evasion that does not work, low blow rate+dmg  or lvl based CC rate.

[SumTingWong 108]

Again, there is most certainly a cost, lmao.

Mages lose Mdef, Mana Regen and resistance to debuffs.  In a place where people are struggling to get D grade Jewels, and mana is at a premium, that is a large cost. 

 

[Zeeki 9]

Lose on mana regen and m def is marginal. When you talk about debuffs resist you just make proof you have no idea how this system work in classic. In the classic version all skill are in 99% depend by lvl difference and except blows have near 99% success rate reduced by resistance from items.

[SumTingWong 108]

lmao, ok chief, whatever you say.

[Dejlo 0]

What lvl I have to be to add dye +4 -5?

[Oeste 57]

On 5/11/2018 at 11:28 PM, dorukasama said:

Wait 3 months...you'll see a few red weapons

One will be mine, you can be sure about that.

[iCaLyPaC 1]

On 06/11/2018 at 12:17 AM, Juji said:

Currently, Greater Dyes will not add stats above +5. This is the intended maximum stat bonus for our Classic servers, and we are currently not considering raising the cap due to major concerns with balance issues that were found in other service regions.

Understandably, many players have used 2nd Class Dyes under the assumption stats can be raised to +12, and the game does not fully indicate that you cannot. To allow for players to remove their applied dyes, and potentially the abundance of dyes you may have, we will be running a special event with Puss the Cat from November 7 to November 21.

Puss the Cat will be offering his services to Classic servers only. His services include:

• Removing Dyes without a fee. All 10 used Dyes will be returned to your inventory.
• Applying dyes to a dye pattern slot without a fee.
• Exchanging dyes for nearly the same Adena price as they were purchased for from the Dye Merchant.

Please note Puss the Cat’s Dye services does not apply to Greater Dyes dropped from Monsters/Field Raids or 1st class dyes. Normal fees and removal costs still apply.

GZ you killed the meeles on pvps  they will go in front without  con and die like rats. Mages can go CON/WIT/INT what will meeles use?

[FatHips 237]

3 hours ago, iCaLyPaC said:

GZ you killed the meeles on pvps  they will go in front without  con and die like rats. Mages can go CON/WIT/INT what will meeles use?

only archers need str in pvp.

If you are "meleeing" people in pvp, you already lost.

[burgerking 6]

On 11/9/2018 at 6:17 PM, FatHips said:

only archers need str in pvp.

If you are "meleeing" people in pvp, you already lost.

this guy gets it

melees are worthless while mages way too broken.

they need to make CON not usable for ALL mystic classes........

[Krissa 80]

13 hours ago, burgerking said:

they need to make CON not usable for ALL mystic classes........

...including your healer?