Himmelin 10 Posted November 7, 2018 On 11/5/2018 at 11:17 PM, Juji said: Currently, Greater Dyes will not add stats above +5. This is the intended maximum stat bonus for our Classic servers, and we are currently not considering raising the cap due to major concerns with balance issues that were found in other service regions. Understandably, many players have used 2nd Class Dyes under the assumption stats can be raised to +12, and the game does not fully indicate that you cannot. To allow for players to remove their applied dyes, and potentially the abundance of dyes you may have, we will be running a special event with Puss the Cat from November 7 to November 21. Puss the Cat will be offering his services to Classic servers only. His services include: Removing Dyes without a fee. All 10 used Dyes will be returned to your inventory. Applying dyes to a dye pattern slot without a fee. Exchanging dyes for nearly the same Adena price as they were purchased for from the Dye Merchant. Please note Puss the Cat’s Dye services does not apply to Greater Dyes dropped from Monsters/Field Raids or 1st class dyes. Normal fees and removal costs still apply. where is puss the cat located? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hyperlite 8 Posted November 7, 2018 L2 before awakening never allowed stats over +5. I don't really get why people thought we would get this. Once awakening was released, all base stats doubled. +5 was somewhat useless which is why the cap went to +15. +10 or +15 would be a 25-50% increase on some stats. That would not be balanced. I don't get why people are surprised about this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hikimaru 5 Posted November 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hyperlite said: L2 before awakening never allowed stats over +5. I don't really get why people thought we would get this. Once awakening was released, all base stats doubled. +5 was somewhat useless which is why the cap went to +15. +10 or +15 would be a 25-50% increase on some stats. That would not be balanced. I don't get why people are surprised about this. First, this L2 Classic, and if you haven't realized it is a new version BASED on the old versions of the game with IMPROVEMENTS. The original version of L2 Classic, which is the one we were supposed to get, had no cap for dyes, and I believe that is the problem, NC keep changing stuff from the ORIGINAL version without asking how the community feel about it. Second, as some ppl mentioned, some stats such as wit and int were strongly nerfed after you get to certain value, and this is enough to balance ppl that go only for one trait. And finally, you have to remember that every dye has a negative attribute that comes with, and the negative is not nerfed. Therefore, if you go for full wit for example, you will get only 60% of the "pre nerf" value as benefit, but you still lose 100% of what you are taking out. That is why it is balanced, the nerf "punishes" ppl that already have a lot of that specific attribute, and allow classes that don't have that to "catch up". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FatHips 188 Posted November 7, 2018 mathematically speaking, having higher dye limits breaks certain skills by pushing them beyond their designed pre-awakening rates/limits also mathematically speaking, higher dye limits also reduces the differences between races by percentage. This is the type of thing that made GOD so garbage (aside from F2P). Combining of classes and ruining of the unique value of each race. Might as well offer race changes and break the game even more. It is absolutely a good thing they took it out, no question at all and the debate is really weak in the other direction, honestly. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RickRoss 20 Posted November 7, 2018 33 minutes ago, Hyperlite said: L2 before awakening never allowed stats over +5. I don't really get why people thought we would get this. Once awakening was released, all base stats doubled. +5 was somewhat useless which is why the cap went to +15. +10 or +15 would be a 25-50% increase on some stats. That would not be balanced. I don't get why people are surprised about this. Wtf you talk about what aweakining. Why again compare different game series with classic game series. This is not c1-GOD evolution. This is completely different game. And I think before c3 dyes were +15. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Micke 4 Posted November 7, 2018 Great! Happy to hear. Balance is important. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FatHips 188 Posted November 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, RickRoss said: And I think before c3 dyes were +15. No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LadyKiller 0 Posted November 7, 2018 To everyone complaining about this, did you even ever play original Lineage II?! This is supposed to be classic, dyes were always capped at +5 so why would it be any different now? Yeah I know not everything is exactly how it was in C1 but you guys just keep wanting everything handed to you. Classic Lineage was not easy, it was one of the hardest grinds out there and now there's all these players that never even played C1 complaining about every little thing, y'all need to sack up and enjoy the game how it was originally intended to be played. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FatHips 188 Posted November 7, 2018 (edited) c1 was a lot easier than this game honestly after about level 30, and more enjoyable more adena dropped but also you had the chance to drop gear every so often when you died exp was slower but that was a good thing Edited November 7, 2018 by FatHips Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RickRoss 20 Posted November 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, LadyKiller said: To everyone complaining about this, did you even ever play original Lineage II?! This is supposed to be classic, dyes were always capped at +5 so why would it be any different now? Yeah I know not everything is exactly how it was in C1 but you guys just keep wanting everything handed to you. Classic Lineage was not easy, it was one of the hardest grinds out there and now there's all these players that never even played C1 complaining about every little thing, y'all need to sack up and enjoy the game how it was originally intended to be played. L2 CLASSIC IS ORIGINAL CLIENT. ITS NOT PRELUDE, INTERLUDE or WHATEVERLUDE U WANT TO BE. PROBABLY MOST OF YOU HAVE NEVER PLAYED CLASSIC BEFORE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hikimaru 5 Posted November 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, LadyKiller said: To everyone complaining about this, did you even ever play original Lineage II?! This is supposed to be classic, dyes were always capped at +5 so why would it be any different now? Yeah I know not everything is exactly how it was in C1 but you guys just keep wanting everything handed to you. Classic Lineage was not easy, it was one of the hardest grinds out there and now there's all these players that never even played C1 complaining about every little thing, y'all need to sack up and enjoy the game how it was originally intended to be played. That is what you guys don't get, this is not supposed to be C1, otherwise you would have to cut half of the skills we have atm, even take off the auto use of SS. This a completely new version that combine good things of all versions of l2, and having ability to customize your toon stats is a great thing... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hikimaru 5 Posted November 7, 2018 I strongly believe ppl should be free to decide if they want to be glass cannons, super tank or balanced, and +12 stats allow you to do that freely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOiL 24 Posted November 7, 2018 On 6/11/2018 at 12:12 PM, Dhol said: The +12 DYEs limit was a great thing on other classic servers. It allowed for much greater diversity between same classes, as it allowed everybody to create his/her unique build of the same class. With +5 limit, there's basically only 1 way to go for every class. For mage classes you mean.. Even for mages you can choose the +5 or the +4 con, stop whining. Mages already got the upper hand Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FatHips 188 Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Hikimaru said: I strongly believe ppl should be free to decide if they want to be glass cannons, super tank or balanced, and +12 stats allow you to do that freely. dillutes racial differences imo and we all know there are huge racial differences in L2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeeki 9 Posted November 8, 2018 Problem is this change alone does not bring balance. Yes, it nerf OP classes: mages, archers, destro and tyrant. Problem is it nerf as well classes that does not need nerf . And it does not nerf other broken classes like WL. There is still old disbalance where mages make +4 int, +4 wit, +4 con for no cost while fighters need to sacrafice con. Classic have far more broken things than +12 dyes. Like evasion that does not work, low blow rate+dmg or lvl based CC rate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SumTingWong 108 Posted November 8, 2018 Again, there is most certainly a cost, lmao. Mages lose Mdef, Mana Regen and resistance to debuffs. In a place where people are struggling to get D grade Jewels, and mana is at a premium, that is a large cost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeeki 9 Posted November 8, 2018 Lose on mana regen and m def is marginal. When you talk about debuffs resist you just make proof you have no idea how this system work in classic. In the classic version all skill are in 99% depend by lvl difference and except blows have near 99% success rate reduced by resistance from items. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SumTingWong 108 Posted November 8, 2018 lmao, ok chief, whatever you say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dejlo 0 Posted November 8, 2018 What lvl I have to be to add dye +4 -5? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oeste 57 Posted November 8, 2018 On 5/11/2018 at 11:28 PM, dorukasama said: Wait 3 months...you'll see a few red weapons One will be mine, you can be sure about that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iCaLyPaC 1 Posted November 9, 2018 On 06/11/2018 at 12:17 AM, Juji said: Currently, Greater Dyes will not add stats above +5. This is the intended maximum stat bonus for our Classic servers, and we are currently not considering raising the cap due to major concerns with balance issues that were found in other service regions. Understandably, many players have used 2nd Class Dyes under the assumption stats can be raised to +12, and the game does not fully indicate that you cannot. To allow for players to remove their applied dyes, and potentially the abundance of dyes you may have, we will be running a special event with Puss the Cat from November 7 to November 21. Puss the Cat will be offering his services to Classic servers only. His services include: Removing Dyes without a fee. All 10 used Dyes will be returned to your inventory. Applying dyes to a dye pattern slot without a fee. Exchanging dyes for nearly the same Adena price as they were purchased for from the Dye Merchant. Please note Puss the Cat’s Dye services does not apply to Greater Dyes dropped from Monsters/Field Raids or 1st class dyes. Normal fees and removal costs still apply. GZ you killed the meeles on pvps they will go in front without con and die like rats. Mages can go CON/WIT/INT what will meeles use? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FatHips 188 Posted November 9, 2018 3 hours ago, iCaLyPaC said: GZ you killed the meeles on pvps they will go in front without con and die like rats. Mages can go CON/WIT/INT what will meeles use? only archers need str in pvp. If you are "meleeing" people in pvp, you already lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
burgerking 6 Posted November 12, 2018 On 11/9/2018 at 6:17 PM, FatHips said: only archers need str in pvp. If you are "meleeing" people in pvp, you already lost. this guy gets it melees are worthless while mages way too broken. they need to make CON not usable for ALL mystic classes........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krissa 74 Posted November 12, 2018 13 hours ago, burgerking said: they need to make CON not usable for ALL mystic classes........ ...including your healer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites