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Just now, MiniPink said:

Glad to see someone also has the same opinion with me

Lol I rememer that Draecke had to post Fragola's instructions in here to get a clue of what Conguero hadn't explained.

Oh well at least this time it wasn't a ninja promo like with the august 2017 jewels.

Hey temperance :P

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I'm posting here about this problem for the last month or so, because I remember when LINEAGE2 was an epic game and we had NONE OF THESE problems like now ...  

most important was every single player had great fun playing, only complain by ppl was the grind is hard :D

L2STORE promos, what the hell .. 

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1 hour ago, Helv said:

This thread is full of constructive criticism, but let's face it, NC Soft don't care. There have been many threads like this before (some disappeared in mysterious circumstances) and nothing has changed. Therefore, the only way for your dissatisfaction to be acknowledged is not to buy the new items.

Meanwhile, in-game notifications about players successfully enchanting their precious circlets keep poping up. I guess it's another great success for NCWest after all.

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11 minutes ago, Helv said:

Meanwhile, in-game notifications about players successfully enchanting their precious circlets keep poping up. I guess it's another great success for NCWest after all.

Yep, i've counted more than 8 people with Noble Circlets already, and one whose name is lPeppinio with Radiant ... I'll bet +5 also ... Most people were from Nova Alliance as well ...

@Draecke, I believe that you don't write on behalf of your clan members ... :/ 

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23 minutes ago, Helv said:

Meanwhile, in-game notifications about players successfully enchanting their precious circlets keep poping up. I guess it's another great success for NCWest after all.

 

This.

I said riot till 3d later, it was 3mn later.

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Well this is my first comment on the new forums but I would like very much to express my opinion on this..

There are some terms that need to be changed in this game:

- Lineage 2 should be now called Millionaires 2. This has been also said in the past but becomes more and more apparent. A game that was never meant to be mainstream has now become a game only for big wallets. And by big i mean big. 

- Free to play should now have the meaning of "offer a kidney for a questionable outcome".

- Pay to Win should now have the meaning of "Just pay and then pay more". Nobody should feel like winning when he has to pay such amounts every 2-3 weeks.

The "Love" free event created some expectations for me. It felt like somebody actually read the forums and tried to change things.. All these hopes were shattered in less than a week.

Of course a lot of ppl will buy, but it's also certain that other people will just quit.. This might facilitate the upcoming merging.. Only a server will remain at the end.. A whales' server that is..

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4 minutes ago, mixa said:

Logged in today sometime after the maint, meh, there is no L2, I saw only one big casino where NC always wins :D

Undoubtedly, the impression is that they want to end this game, but suck as much donate as possible. For me it's time to leave together with my cp, NCWest does not deserve the players that are here and, no use talking ... speak ... speak here in the forum, they do not care!

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2 hours ago, DeJouLeen said:

Do you think that after they realize mobile games are not the future they will stop with the massive expensive store promos everywhere?

The short answer is: no

The resons for this are complex. There is a conflict between the National Pension Service and Kim Taek-jin that goes back several years:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=407&p=30901#p30901
(the discussion continues further down)

The NPS wants as much money as possible, and dividends can only be paid if the company generates a revenue. CFO Yun Jae-su is of the conservative persuasion, and while he has assured the shareholders last Wednesday that dividends would continue to be paid, he also made it clear that NCsoft intends to publish quality games, which simply require time aka money to develop. They are already planning for the time after the mobile hype, working on console games, augmented reality (think "Pokémon Go") and virtual reality games. Here is a demo video for the latter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWjzpCtvFI0

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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/tech/2017/05/134_224938.html

All these projects require an enormous amount of money, and it is the established games who must provide that money. Technically this is called "robbing Peter to pay Paul":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_rob_Peter_to_pay_Paul

The question is not whether the milking will ever stop - it will never stop for the remaining lifetime of this game - but when the point is reached where maintaining the game costs more than what it brings in. While NCJapan is very close to that point, at NCWest there seems to be an inexhaustible reservoir of dimwits who are willing to pay hundreds of dollars just to get one more Dragon. Converting money into non-refundable pixels to get more non-refundable pixels seems highly irrational, but as you can see from the in-game announcements about people having obtained Circlets, the system works. There is no limit to human stupidity xD

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Its not NCSofts fault. NCSoft does what it has to do, earn money, thats their goal. Its players fault, cause even though the majority is complaining in the forums for the p2w events, in the end of the day the same players give their money to NCSoft. If you wanna stop this and treat you like real customers then stop bying ncoins, but this will never happen unfortunately.

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40 minutes ago, iTrinity said:

Its not NCSofts fault. NCSoft does what it has to do, earn money, thats their goal. Its players fault, cause even though the majority is complaining in the forums for the p2w events, in the end of the day the same players give their money to NCSoft.

I dont think so :D

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I'm really sad today... This event is not so much expensive overall but we all know many like this will come. So when new people will start play, they will need wait for brooches, shirts, hair accessories, cloaks... I doubt there are many people like that. Lineage is dying, we read it like ten years on official forums, but now... We all know it, we don't want to stop play, we still hope. I think I will take break from LII for some time.  

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Hmm

@Conguero it means, that we will get bug fixed with next big update?

Do not say, that You do not have a time, bacause we got next Pay To Win L2Store Event, when we have already Pay to Win L2Store event alive....

Shame on You.... Can You tell us when @Hime will back ?

I will not ask about @Neutron.. He is hiding in his cave to avoid ppl which wanna throw eggs/tomato/shoes to his face 

Well, the most sad it, when I see ppl, who really wanna play in this game(they have still fire in their hearts), and You so everything, what is possible to put out this fire

I do not know , why I'm still asking, carring....

U will like always, do not even read this or care

Last what, we can do is use enjoy play/speak with our friend until they(or we) left

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19 hours ago, DeJouLeen said:

I have a few questions.

What is the enchant rate?

What happens if enchanting fails?

What is tradable and what is not tradable?

Are they equipped with hair accessory? How does it work?

Every new event we lack each time more info. That has to be fixed.

@Conguero can you please answer this? Thanks

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8 hours ago, Methodical said:

the problem is the f2p model,

l2 just kept way to much from that start model,

usually f2p games last 2-3 years than they get abandoned,

thus is to the hardcore, nostalgia and veterans we run so far.

Its methematically correct f2p games die with mathematical accuracy of 100%

get over it

ps: have ever wonder why ncwest do not do marketing campaign for l2?

1 option s that they do the policy of : you came here i didnt invite you!

savage right

happy vale day 

 

nope, plenty of f2p games thriving, e.g. DoTA, CS:GO, Path of Exile...etc. What are the common aspects for these games? Little to no P2W. One would be surprised on the amount of money people spend on cosmetics, you can even have rare cosmetics from loot boxes and people spend hundreds on it. Multiply hundreds by tens of thousands of players, and it dwarfs the thousands of dollars by 100 players.

NCWest's business model right now is to do the least and reap from the rich, a volatile strategy because just 1 rich person quitting will cause a severe dip in revenue, instead of being a hard working company, that earns it's pay from the masses. I feel saddened by this, especially since NCWest is by far the worst offender out of all the NC* companies around the world.

Some of this is because of Richard Garriott screwing up NCWest with his failed Tabula Rasa, gets fired for pretty much funnelling all the company's funds into said game (I remember chatting with a GM, who said they had no resources to fix their website [remember when the library was 3 years out of date?], because of "another project"), and then taking millions after successfully suing the company for firing him. NCWest has been struggling with cashflow because they haven't produced a decent game in almost a decade.

So unless NCWest will invest into hiring good people to actually run the game, the 2 or so employees responsible for L2 will not be able to do anything other than try to lengthen the demise of this great, but ruined game; and that would by boosting their short term sales figures without regard for the future.

I wish they would just sell the rights to a company that actually cares... Even Lineage 1 is generating more revenue than L2... Who here wants to form a company that buys rights of dying games (due to shitty management) and actually run them properly?

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TBH, were done here. Have been for a while. Server POPs are laughable, a few thousand, combined? Revenue is declining. Literally scamming simpletons to gain what revenue they can. There is almost nothing left of any L2 experience. Posts will get deleted. GMs/CMs either have no power to do any service, or refuse to do so. 

NC can stay in mobile gaming for all I care. There are better MMOs comming out soon (sub based non P2W). 

Been Real, but not real real,

CS

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Well Chuck i'm playing another game but every now and then I return on chronos to play l2 and to chit chat with some friends of mine.

Untill the servers will be shutted down even conguero can't do anything to stop that chit chat.

For the rest in every p2w game the pvp part is visa based so the best player is the one who's mad enought to spend 50k $ or more, like in here, just to post a video on youtube seen by 10 ppl, or less.

My simple advice is to enjoy the pve side of this game, untill it lasts, buying as less ncoins as you can.

Btw as fooz said 3 mins ago this is a montly long event but ppl are already selling noble circlets + 5 for 35kkk while a noble stone is worth 1.5kkk ...

Well on naia bob was selling the radiant one ....

And i saw Draecke trying to sell his great vit jewel O_o

Dunno about Pep.

 

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10 hours ago, Draecke said:

I would like to add another thing here to the discussion from point of view of veteran L2 player but seriously why would any long time player go along with this nonsense ?

we've played the game when it was highly competitive with actually balanced gear and the current state of affairs is just silly.. a game should never reach that point where a few players can literally make or break mass pvp events purely based on their real life spending capability.. congratulations for buying your "win" but honestly it has cheapen the actual experience and removed anything meaningful from the overall experience..

I personally have now reached the point I rather look at the old mass pvp frapses on youtube from C2 all the way the first year of this GoD f2p lie that became this current atrocious toxic game play then waste anymore time on even trying to do anything PVP related as seriously I got nothing to prove, I was there when PVP really mattered.

amen sister

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17 hours ago, SweetSacrifice said:

I saw alot of hypocrites but this... So if i would jump from a bridge you would follow after me?

Only if this is the only way to survive. In those times you used soft or someone used you... I didn't want to farm only kartia and sit in fortress instead of Castle

 

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