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SOiL    22

Let's see now, I've made like 2 threads about how SUPER PVE servers have been made. Now there's another problem which makes no sense at all when 2 sides wanna fight for epics or simple Raid bosses. 
Who will win? The first CC that will hit the Boss, after that they can just keep looting rights by bringing 5 lvl chars hitting it, or just dying with boxes on it (which in Skelth was a banable reason, but dunno why, you're NCSoft, you suppose to make things better for community and I mean to fix that looting rights instead of banning people, let's say..) 
How it went? Well.. we were "fighting" for 3 hours in Core room, they lost like 2 fights and then just dying from mobs (Of course, without any penalty cause they won't lose items or even exp *Super exp scrolls*) and they were just waiting until we get bored. What we were waiting for? The 3h looting rights on enemies, then they just grouped up and killed the Core while looting rights never give up on them and it's just the start, that's just too PVE once again, people don't care of their items/exp and they dying like trashes. 

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AngeMarkel    6
6 hours ago, SOiL said:

Let's see now, I've made like 2 threads about how SUPER PVE servers have been made. Now there's another problem which makes no sense at all when 2 sides wanna fight for epics or simple Raid bosses. 
Who will win? The first CC that will hit the Boss, after that they can just keep looting rights by bringing 5 lvl chars hitting it, or just dying with boxes on it (which in Skelth was a banable reason, but dunno why, you're NCSoft, you suppose to make things better for community and I mean to fix that looting rights instead of banning people, let's say..) 
How it went? Well.. we were "fighting" for 3 hours in Core room, they lost like 2 fights and then just dying from mobs (Of course, without any penalty cause they won't lose items or even exp *Super exp scrolls*) and they were just waiting until we get bored. What we were waiting for? The 3h looting rights on enemies, then they just grouped up and killed the Core while looting rights never give up on them and it's just the start, that's just too PVE once again, people don't care of their items/exp and they dying like trashes. 

https://eu.4gameforum.com/threads/654640/

 

maybe its a help.

u should report it as a bug

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Orocso    0
8 minutes ago, Jiwan said:

what is this bug exactly?

it is not a bug, it is a feature, the command channel that hits the boss first has the looting rights of it, no matter who kills the boss.

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Slher    1
10 minutes ago, Orocso said:
24 minutes ago, Jiwan said:

what is this bug exactly?

it is not a bug, it is a feature, the command channel that hits the boss first has the looting rights of it, no matter who kills the boss.

Bad feature. The right should go to the party that contributed the most.

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Jiwan    5
13 minutes ago, Orocso said:

it is not a bug, it is a feature, the command channel that hits the boss first has the looting rights of it, no matter who kills the boss.

and it doesn't reset?

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Orocso    0
40 minutes ago, Slher said:

Bad feature. The right should go to the party that contributed the most.

Not a bad feature no, the CC grants rights to EVERY party, not just the one that did most damage, that way everyone gets the same amount of xp/sp and prevents people that aren't supposed to pick up to get the gear.

In the past it was a problem, because people would just ninja the loot and vanish. CC rights solved that.

People nowadays want it too easy, back then we would camp epic bosses for 12-16 hours keeping enemies away using all we had available.

Keeping baium running in circle for 10-12 hours. Mass rezz throught the door/floor for example.

Now people are complaining because they get scammed, the GM shouldn't have to make a post in order to tell people to pay attention on what they are doing or that trading your gear/adena away to people you don't know.

38 minutes ago, Jiwan said:

and it doesn't reset?

it does, but apparently this guys keep going back and hitting the raid so they don't reset.

They lose xp, but nobody cares about xp, they can easily get that back throught all the xp scrolls and quests they put in the game.

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Slher    1
1 hour ago, Orocso said:

Not a bad feature no, the CC grants rights to EVERY party, not just the one that did most damage, that way everyone gets the same amount of xp/sp and prevents people that aren't supposed to pick up to get the gear.

It'd be nice to have the option in the CC.

 

Compared to that this feature seems good but compared to the ideal it doesn't. The ideal would be for the CC that deals the most damage to get the rights, yeah. The rights locking to the one that deals the first hit is repulsive. Just think of it applied to ordinary mobs. (I meant the CC that deals the most damage due to the unlikelihood of a party doing it but a lone party should be able to get the rights, yeah.)

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Orocso    0
1 hour ago, Slher said:

It'd be nice to have the option in the CC.

 

Compared to that this feature seems good but compared to the ideal it doesn't. The ideal would be for the CC that deals the most damage to get the rights, yeah. The rights locking to the one that deals the first hit is repulsive. Just think of it applied to ordinary mobs. (I meant the CC that deals the most damage due to the unlikelihood of a party doing it but a lone party should be able to get the rights, yeah.)

Yea, I am not sure how easy to calculate that would be, might take a some processing power when you have 200 people in each CC hitting the same mob

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AliceOnFire    6
12 minutes ago, Orocso said:

Yea, I am not sure how easy to calculate that would be, might take a some processing power when you have 200 people in each CC hitting the same mob

lol? the same calculation is done on every mob already, you expect server to lag or something if 200 people hit same mob ? Unlikely, is pretty basic math.

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Orocso    0
14 hours ago, AliceOnFire said:

lol? the same calculation is done on every mob already, you expect server to lag or something if 200 people hit same mob ? Unlikely, is pretty basic math.

no, expect it to go wrong when you have 2 or 3 CCs with 150-200 people hitting the same mob. 

Remember, the server had troubles when they increased the mob spawn rate on lowbie areas.

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AliceOnFire    6
2 hours ago, Orocso said:

no, expect it to go wrong when you have 2 or 3 CCs with 150-200 people hitting the same mob. 

Remember, the server had troubles when they increased the mob spawn rate on lowbie areas.

trouble how? they were increased for a week+ and things worked fine ?

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Orocso    0
7 hours ago, AliceOnFire said:

trouble how? they were increased for a week+ and things worked fine ?

The gms said they were reducing the increased respawn on lowbie areas to improve server performance.

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Maskaa    0

Btw, even if you have the message, it's most damage dealt that win loots on skelth(on epics).

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nbx    38
7 hours ago, Orocso said:

The gms said they were reducing the increased respawn on lowbie areas to improve server performance.

Yeah, but that happened because of the extra mobs AND the increased capacity of the servers combined. We didn't have any problems until they raised the player count cap.

Also, increasing a variable on an action that happens anyway is a lot less CPU heavy then constantly monitoring and controlling hundreds of mobs.

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CoffeeTime    29

I agree that it should be changed back to Classic server settings and not Live server settings. It should have been the Command Channel/Party that does the most damage, picks up the loot. NOT the one who does the first hit.

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Hime    633

With the maintenance morning we addressed the issue with looting rights not being reset properly-- is this still ongoing for you?

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AngeMarkel    6
5 hours ago, Hime said:

With the maintenance morning we addressed the issue with looting rights not being reset properly-- is this still ongoing for you?

its more about that lvl 1 chars can bleep up all CC Partys. They just hit the raid once and getting the loot rights and getting the drops, even when the other CC dealed 99,99% to the raid, which is against the looting rules in general that the highest dealed dmg gets the loot.

In all other classics (korea/ru/jp) its not like that and in eu it was marked as a "game mistake" and got fixed ( https://eu.4gameforum.com/threads/654640/ )

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nevermore13    0

 

17 hours ago, Hime said:

With the maintenance morning we addressed the issue with looting rights not being reset properly-- is this still ongoing for you?

Nothing changed after the maintanance and lvl 1 chars keep taking the loot rights and even after killing rb the loot rights do not reset properly and enemy cc members can still pick up the loot...

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WutWutWut    14
On 12/5/2018 at 8:16 PM, Hime said:

With the maintenance morning we addressed the issue with looting rights not being reset properly-- is this still ongoing for you?

please again look in to this, small cc stealining loot rights and just not letting it resset by hitting with lvl 1 chars is repulsive @Hime

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Goshirak    2
On 11/18/2018 at 4:58 PM, Orocso said:

it is not a bug, it is a feature, the command channel that hits the boss first has the looting rights of it, no matter who kills the boss.

what a disaster that feature, should be changed, should be " party that does more damage has the looting rights "

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WutWutWut    14
45 minutes ago, Goshirak said:

what a disaster that feature, should be changed, should be " party that does more damage has the looting rights "

disaster is too light of a word for it

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Goshirak    2
1 hour ago, WutWutWut said:

disaster is too light of a word for it

did you send a  ticket to change it?

 

tickets suggestions

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