The PK System need changes to prevent abuse

[PowerBomb]

This morning a user posted a interesting topic about our rights in this game regarding some players behavior

The topic deleted because it was targetered directly to a player name violating the code of the conduct  of our beloved forum 

 

Everyone on Blackbird know what we are talking about , so I'm rewriting  he content (very useful by the way)  removing the possible bad conduct text.

 

The topic I'm about to reproduce calls us to request for changes in our game, the PK system should not allow the user be unpunished  freely to kill hundreds of characters.

Imagine, I have a character that deals 20k damage to any character of the game, I setup a script or even manually  run around of a certain map, and them I let it all night long running and killing everyone there, and nothing happens, my items remains the same, my costs remain the same, I can just repeat it again and again to entire map, killing everyone's characters.

Does it looks right ? 

That's why I'm supporting it and posting  my  edited version (removed all direct references and bad worlds that not fit to our code of conduct) of this sincere posting of a player.

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If you visited the main spots (76+) yesterday you would find hundreds of dead characters all along the way.

Also, If you woke up this morning you might also have noticed that all of your characters were dead as well unless you are a member of a certain Blackbird's Group.

All of the dead were of random clans or no clan members, where the shooter (PK), The Player in question barricaded himself from this Friday to Saturday night and opened fire on the players that are just playing their game and their farms.

This individual has already proved to be very toxic and fickle for our community and remains unpunished. There are reports of abuse and threats even outside the game on social networks such as discord. I can confirm the case of a player who even managed to change his nick after constant persecution in and out of the game.

The Player in question  is unstable, disrespectful, and toxic, but he is also the strongest player on the server and has certainly spent thousands of dollars on this game given the huge amount of loot boxes it opens, and also its items that are 2 or 3 years ahead of any other player on the server.

There is an extensive list of the lineage 2 code of conduct that was violated by this player, which remains unpunished even after dozens of complaints here are some rules broken by this individual

 

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1. While playing Lineage II, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.

2. You may not post or communicate any player's real-world information (name, address, account name, etc.) through the Lineage II game or on the official Lineage II website.

3. You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive language.

 

These 3 first were broken several times by this player, PK players takes away our right to enjoy the game, uses and abuses automated scripts to keep all night long hunting and killing players around Dragon Valley also widely reported and often uses inappropriate language and racially ethinically offensive language.

 

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14. You may not organize nor be a member of any pledges or groups within Lineage II that are based on or espouse any racist, sexist, anti-religious, anti-ethnic, anti-gay, or other hatemongering philosophies.

The Clan  of this player has the name "The White Order" and  "Favela King's" as ally name, prove a crystal clear rule broken , if you study some about US history you may have heard about the White Order of Thule, a racist hate group based in Deer Park, Washington.

About the Ally name According with Wikipedia "Favela (Portuguese pronunciation: [fɐˈvɛlɐ]) is an anachronic generalizing term which carries the ethnocentric and stigmatizing meaning". This is clearly an affront to Brazilian players on the server who were often stigmatized, called "Monkeys" in a disrespectful way by several members of this group. 

 

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21. You may not use any third-party program (such as a "bot") in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting or gathering items within Lineage II. You may not assist, relay or store items for other players who are using these processes.

 

It's obvious his knowledge of Adrenaline software, also his automation while he's AFK, doing PVP and using Scroll of Scape when an enemy approaches when he's not controlling his character because if he was he would certainly fight back and win. Also running around killing players in an automated way, who spend all night long killing players with a fixed path behavior?

If the rules of conduct don't have that much legal power, maybe the usage agreement does. The privacy term and the term of conduct are annexes and must be treated with the same value.

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(o) Privacy Policy - NCSOFT policy regarding privacy. The current version is found at http://us.ncsoft.com/en/legal/ncsoft/privacy-policy.php.

(p) Rules of Conduct -NCSOFT rules related to use of the Service. The current version is found at http://us.ncsoft.com/en/legal/lineage-2/lineage-2-rules-of-conduct.php. These are incorporated into this agreement by reference and a breach of these shall be considered a breach of this agreement.

The document is from 2016 and the links were moved but can be accessed here:

https://us.ncsoft.com/en-us/legal/archive/lineage-2/lineage-2-rules-of-conduct

https://us.ncsoft.com/en-us/legal/ncsoft/privacy-policy

If you felt harassed by the player, know that your right is guaranteed by the game's terms of use to request support and report players who disrespect with your gameplay through attitudes that do not allow your pleasure and enjoyment in playing Lineage2.

By login into your master account you can make a report and request  the link to open a ticket about it is https://support.lineage2.com/hc/en-us/requests/new 

 

I hope it helped you.

 

 

It's a shame, Lineage 2 Aden brought back the ability to play lineage2 at its core, but unfortunately it's very broken in that regard.

Have a good time, stay safe and don't let it affect your mental health.

 

Cheers

 

[Oestemnet]

1. Pk is the only one to clear some areas if u need something there, example Sel Mahum, Silent Valley and Lizardman's plains are bot infested. I know of a person who had 100 (yes 100) bots running at once in those 3 areas, this is absurd, abusive and detrimental to the game, but our only option is to Pk;

2. Some of the clans you are refering to, went out of their way to alienate everyone else by cheating, scamming, abusing, Pking, etc... this is the consequence.

3. Some of you are also extremely abusing in world chat, there not one day that I don't see references to an specific player relatives who passed away, you simply have zero respecto and this is retaliation, simple as that

4. If you think TWO references racism you have no clue, TWO is multinational composed of players from all over, Latins in Two are abundant including myself being a Mexican born, raised, educated and living in Mexico all my life. The alliance name was a result of a flame wars ongoing back in the day.

5. Both sides have used 3rd party software since day one, NC lost the battle on that and tolerates it, I personally hate it but it is what it is

[PowerBomb]

1 hour ago, Oestemnet said:

1. Pk is the only one to clear some areas if u need something there, example Sel Mahum, Silent Valley and Lizardman's plains are bot infested. I know of a person who had 100 (yes 100) bots running at once in those 3 areas, this is absurd, abusive and detrimental to the game, but our only option is to Pk;

2. Some of the clans you are refering to, went out of their way to alienate everyone else by cheating, scamming, abusing, Pking, etc... this is the consequence.

3. Some of you are also extremely abusing in world chat, there not one day that I don't see references to an specific player relatives who passed away, you simply have zero respecto and this is retaliation, simple as that

4. If you think TWO references racism you have no clue, TWO is multinational composed of players from all over, Latins in Two are abundant including myself being a Mexican born, raised, educated and living in Mexico all my life. The alliance name was a result of a flame wars ongoing back in the day.

5. Both sides have used 3rd party software since day one, NC lost the battle on that and tolerates it, I personally hate it but it is what it is

I totally understand your side, and I respect that, if you say that Favela Kings and a White Order are a "good" thing its your POV, but for a general view thats racism indeed and I agree with the autor of this  his/her "Open letter".

100 bots I huge, must be reported indeed. Many of  killed people that had his characters constantly killed are not bot or "rice farmers" like you guys like to say.

This game is broken, but can be better if people with power use it to fight enemies not random ppl.

For example blade dancers and OL on spots where you reported are for sure farms from 3rd person, but some other classes isn't , you guys may have a way to mark and trust some players that are suffering from things like happened yesterday.  

 

 

 

 

[BlackSun22]

3 hours ago, Oestemnet said:

1. Pk is the only one to clear some areas if u need something there, example Sel Mahum, Silent Valley and Lizardman's plains are bot infested. I know of a person who had 100 (yes 100) bots running at once in those 3 areas, this is absurd, abusive and detrimental to the game, but our only option is to Pk;

I used to play as Elven Elder and also was PKed all the way - ofc, that is obvious "farming  bot" for people like you,  who just run around map and kill all chars.

Game is a bit broken, so players can't be blames to sticking to few stable to play classes (trickster\GK\SE\OL\WC). You are not God to separate low newbie and farm bot, so relax. 

PK is crime and crime should be punished, if crime goes unpunished - chaos comes to house.

You can't explain to newbie player , why he should invest in this game money+time if he can't play in it. Since now 2022 year outside and ways to get games  are too much.

And in that games he won't be dead for no reason, just because someone other has bad mood or turned of god_mode.

 

[PowerBomb]

19 hours ago, PowerBomb said:

This morning a user posted a interesting topic about our rights in this game regarding some players behavior

The topic deleted because it was targetered directly to a player name violating the code of the conduct  of our beloved forum

 

Thx for save and share again my topic, it's ok what you edited, the essence of my opinion remainded.

19 hours ago, Oestemnet said:

1. Pk is the only one to clear some areas if u need something there, example Sel Mahum, Silent Valley and Lizardman's plains are bot infested. I know of a person who had 100 (yes 100) bots running at once in those 3 areas, this is absurd, abusive and detrimental to the game, but our only option is to Pk;

This random PK is not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about a behavior explored by many players like Who, Melisandre.

But the reason why I started thar discussion was the event at Friday night were WallyPete killed All characters at Dragon Valley 78 and 85 lvl's.

And kept running around for hours killing all until 4 am , I observed him and he followed a strict path killing all on the way for hours.

 

PK is part of the game and necessary sometimes but that was tolly different from a "clean up spot " that was retaliation because the flame of yours enemies during the evening.

But it's not the point , the pk system is broken, there so much soft penalties , and there is no difference between kill 1 or kill 200, another point if you do fight  back or not there are a chance to you lost your item , but for many times when you kill a pk there no drops.

The kill a pk should have a loot, should drop a random items from pk's inventory like old days so the strong players would move to hunt and pvp against a player who are for hours killing random ppl on a farming map.

That's only my humble opinion 

[ElTrucos]

On 9/17/2022 at 2:22 PM, Oestemnet said:

3. Some of you are also extremely abusing in world chat, there not one day that I don't see references to an specific player relatives who passed away, you simply have zero respecto and this is retaliation, simple as that

4. If you think TWO references racism you have no clue, TWO is multinational composed of players from all over, Latins in Two are abundant including myself being a Mexican born, raised, educated and living in Mexico all my life. The alliance name was a result of a flame wars ongoing back in the day.

 

3. and 4.: Do you forgot the beggining of the server when your ppl was talking about "rice farming" or playing to "buy food". Do you even realice what or why is "Favela Kings" the name of your alliance?, i will take your post as the joke it is. I will remember forever when an retired member of your ally told me that "latins in TWO are our slaves, they farm adena for us". Maybe many of those racist clowns are out of the game now, but the essence of two is the same...

 

[Oestemnet]

On 9/17/2022 at 1:55 PM, PowerBomb said:

 

...100 bots I huge, must be reported indeed. Many of  killed people that had his characters constantly killed are not bot or "rice farmers" like you guys like to say....

 

 

 

 

Technically hes not breaking any rule, 10 clients per IP, multiple IP with a VPN, very hard to trace and sanction, he uses the in game auto hunt....

[Oestemnet]

On 9/17/2022 at 3:49 PM, BlackSun22 said:

I used to play as Elven Elder and also was PKed all the way - ofc, that is obvious "farming  bot" for people like you,  who just run around map and kill all chars.

Game is a bit broken, so players can't be blames to sticking to few stable to play classes (trickster\GK\SE\OL\WC). You are not God to separate low newbie and farm bot, so relax. 

PK is crime and crime should be punished, if crime goes unpunished - chaos comes to house.

You can't explain to newbie player , why he should invest in this game money+time if he can't play in it. Since now 2022 year outside and ways to get games  are too much.

And in that games he won't be dead for no reason, just because someone other has bad mood or turned of god_mode.

 

First, I have never "just run around map and kill all chars" so don't talk garbage;

Second, I am not God, never said or acted as if I was but I can certainly pk u if I want to;

Third, PK is not a crime, its a game mechanics... actually the PK system will be improved in the Vanguard update, no penalty just a Pk Dungeon to clean ur sins, so being game mechanics it wont be punished. This is a PvP game, Pk is part of life, deal with it;

Fourth,  I am usually helpful to true noobies, but in all honesty if they don't know this is an open pvp game and expect otherwise then its their fault;

I have player L2 since prelude, perhaps it was in C3 when I started hearing "oh the game is dead", so many years after that L2 is still here... as long as L2 is popular in Korea, translating dialogue is not too much work, operating costs are minimal (not even proper CS), and the revenue is pure gravy, L2 will remain for a while still...

 

 

[Oestemnet]

19 minutes ago, ElTrucos said:

3. and 4.: Do you forgot the beggining of the server when your ppl was talking about "rice farming" or playing to "buy food". Do you even realice what or why is "Favela Kings" the name of your alliance?, i will take your post as the joke it is. I will remember forever when an retired member of your ally told me that "latins in TWO are our slaves, they farm adena for us". Maybe many of those racist clowns are out of the game now, but the essence of two is the same...

 

I was there at the beggining of the server, i forget nothing, the racist elements are not playing anymore. TWO has the same name across multiple games, not only L2. "latins in TWO are our slaves, they farm adena for us" has never been true... but this is coming from you who pm'ed me asking if I had a personal grief with you after calling all in two "trash" "scammers" and many other things, to then telling me "my purpose in game is to make people hate two"... I mean, can't expect much if you are coming from that angle. The fact is "the other side" opposing two was strong, but lacked leadership, common sense and loyalty... people in that other side screwed us with the DKP and the raids and you expected to us to remain there? come on.... just let me remind you where Wally and Retri come from, the are originally OT, and OT was originally 300... until we got screwed... had your leadership not done that, where would the whales be located today?. 

[Oestemnet]

On 9/18/2022 at 7:42 AM, PowerBomb said:

But it's not the point , the pk system is broken, there so much soft penalties , and there is no difference between kill 1 or kill 200, another point if you do fight  back or not there are a chance to you lost your item , but for many times when you kill a pk there no drops.

The kill a pk should have a loot, should drop a random items from pk's inventory like old days so the strong players would move to hunt and pvp against a player who are for hours killing random ppl on a farming map.

That's only my humble opinion 

The Pk system is broken yes but that's NC's fault, think about this: 1) Why when u die you loose xp and if u dont want that loss u have to pay NC a fee?; 2) Why when u drop an item you have to pay NC a fee to get it back?. The answer to both is the same because NC wants to squeeze our wallets as much as possible charging us for every thing they can. So u think that people would play a game where u need to spend thousands of dollars to get an item (let's say a level 3 baium talisman) so when u die someone else grabs it and keeps it?.... how many would play that game?... ofc none.

But they could fix the Pk system like for example if u Pk and die u loose xp and cant get it back, you need to grind it over again, and the xp lost increases pending the level gap between chars... that would do part of the work.