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7 hours ago, FTBs said:
You have forgot one little thing - botting and selling items(adena) for real are crimes. So you should compare with illegal black market mechanics in real word and in game not white legal one. Call fbi, son.
botting and selling L2 items for real money is against the company's policy and yes they can be considered illegal in this sense... However, they are not the cause of the ridiculous high prices we have in this game.. They are probably the result of it... That was my point in this topic..
If somebody needs to call FBI, that should be the company itself, but it seems that they don't care or they are maybe earning something from this.. How else can you explain the fact that real money traders are openly advertising their websites in-game?
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On 11/30/2019 at 2:23 AM, zzt111 said:
Actually bot are responsible since they create a lot of adena on server and cause inflation, with inflation prices of everything go up, thats economy 101
You are not wrong but not exactly right either.. The prices are determined by demand and supply in an economy.. Also, bots are maybe creating adena but that doesn't mean that you or me will have more adena.. You will have to pay the bots for adena, it's not free.. The actual euro/adena rate hasn't changed despite the bots..
For example.. Lidvior's earring price is getting increased over the last months.. That's not because bots are pushing more money in the economy, but because there is no more supply of such earrings.. The boss was removed from the server and it's almost impossible to get a lidvior from an event..
So the one that determines the supply is the one that affects the prices, especially in this game's economy that is like a monopoly in the real world.. The company itself is the only factor affecting the prices.. That's a fact.. Putting the blame on bots is like playing the company's advocate..
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Yes unfortunately, sayha has been really neglected by the dev team... A series of nerfs a few years ago has led this class close to "extinction".. I really hope they will make it more relevant for pve and for pvp, in the future...
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10 hours ago, zzt111 said:
We have lots of bots which farm a lot of adena, that cause inflation and price rise on all items. Out of 2.5k chars online on chronos probably 1/3 are bots. +31 R110 weapon would probably cost around 2T adena here. Our economy is sad and run by l2 store and bots, that is reason why most new players quit since they realize they cant buy anything if they don't spend $$ from start
bots are not responsible for the high prices on items... 100% responsible for these prices is the company itself..
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This company never stops its efforts to prove that there are no limits to ridiculous...
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Adena are better than ever now..
I hope they remain this way...
thank you Juji
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1 hour ago, n0nserviam said:
This is the most adena sink update ive seen the last years.So lets count the changes: first new talismans insanity and seven signs, if you ppl think that the compound will be 100% success dream on, prob something like 5-10%, second we have dragon rind shirts enchanted up to +10 like there are a lot of +5 atm (lol?) Then we have circlets enchanted also up to +10 for last. With quick maths if someobe wants to have all these items needs like 500b
+ they deleted a few items that could generate some adena, like for example Savior's Enchant Scroll Fragments... It seems that these were exceptionally rewarding as somebody said in the past..
Now Helios and Etina, which are probably the most high level instances, will only drop appearance modifiers, like anyone really needs these crap that you can't even sell to NPC shops...
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13 hours ago, mixa said:
You pretty much lost me here.
You can't have pay2win and then complain the game is not fair, just because there are bots.
No mate, you lost the point of this thread and came to talk about something else...
13 hours ago, mixa said:Just to be clear, fair play means that everyone should have an equal chance to win and only his skill and training/experience would be the prevailing factors.
What you're saying is complete bs, like let's say Novak Djokovic loses to some nobody that bought a tennis racket that boosts his serving power by 100%. If you don't understand what I'm saying here, then I can't help you, lost case.
You are wrong here, as well as your example, and attacking ppl for no reason.. There is no chance for Djokovic to lost by a guy with a boosted racket because there are rules in tennis and any player who doesn't respect the rules is disqualified.. This has nothing to do with pay to win..
As a matter of fact, someone has to pay huge amounts for training and equipment in order to reach the top in tennis... So there is certainly a pay2win element there.. What you say is like telling me that all the top football clubs do not play fair, because they spent huge amounts for their players.. This is wrong and this is the way it is for anyone as long as they abide by the rules..
Although i don't like the pay2win element as it works in L2 now, you should understand the difference with what Liti said in this thread..
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16 hours ago, mixa said:
Fair play? In a Pay2Win game?You are joking....
My understanding is that fair play has nothing to do with pay2win... Fair play doesn't mean that all will be equally strong in the game or that someone who doesn't spend real money will be able to beat someone who has purchased all the items in the server..
Fair play means that there are rules which should be respected by all and when these are not respected by some, then the company has the means to enforce the rules..
When the company clearly states in the T&C that buying adena from third parties is prohibited but allows bots openly advertise in-game a real website/company that sells adena, there is something obviously wrong here and fair play goes out of the window.. As i said in another thread, any company has legal means to turn against other companies when there is such an obvious offence like this, but here they don't..
I can certainly make many assumptions why this happens but the certain thing is that a company that does nothing to enforce its own rules, is a company that doesn't respect itself and certainly doesn't respect its players/customers, at least the legit ones...
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20 minutes ago, dime said:
Been a good few months so decided to go all out for this event. Dropped a significant chunk of change on tickets to take my gamble. I won't go into specifics but think mortgage payment type money.
Pretty sure best reward I received was maybe a Talisman of Longing. Or maybe the low grade Taurus..
Now, I pretty much knew what I was getting into. Seems the odds haven't changed since they used to do this type of event on a website portal (GoD). Doesn't change the fact that these odds are something else, almost soul crushing. Now, just left with a bitter taste in your mouth thinking about how to hawk all of these garbage rewards. If you're smart you wont gamble. You'll sell your tickets and win every time. Let the idiots like me gamble.
I could rant for days on a myriad of reasons NCwest seems to be taking advantage of mid-low tier players while coddling if not conspiring with top tier players to monopolize in game assets but I wont. I will say the rise in adena sellers seems to coincide with the rise in players and the want to compete. Question is NCWest, are you going to reduce prices and increase the volume of sales or maybe increase the odds with such high entry price (about $20 for one gold ticket roll.)? Or will you continue to shaft your paying population of players in an irrational ambition of wider margins? I love this game but the risk vs reward just isn't justified.
Very well said..
Apart from the fact that only 1 in a 1000 gets "lucky" through these events and the rest just take minimal rewards, mostly garbage, for their investment, i can't really understand the situation with the adena sellers...
How can a company tolerate the adena sellers logging into its own game and advertise websites for adena selling, is really a mystery for me.. They could certainly use legal means to shut down the advertised site but they don't.. The only reasonable answer to this is that the company earns from these adena sellers and something really illegal seems to take place here..
Of course i don't expect any official answer about this anymore..
As a matter of fact, i have come to terms with the realization that this is a company that acts as a real scammer and just trying to protect myself like everyone should do..
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11 hours ago, degamad said:
Nice, i see i have a lot to learn about this game. right now i only have two clients. so i would need to get one more client on this computer then i would need VPN or add computer for the other clients?
maybe i can find people to party with.. i have spent time hanging out outside prnassus and no one will even talk to me let alone party.
Yes as it is now, you will need another PC or a VM for more than 3 clients..
You also seem to ignore the party matching window.. You don't just wait in parnassus for someone to invite you... If you look at the bottom bar of the L2 client in-game, you will see a button called party matching.. Press this and a list with all available parties will appear.. Then you can find a party that suits you and double click to enter the room.. An invitation will then come from the party owner (or not)...
I hope this helps..
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5 minutes ago, kouto10 said:
What I'm finding funny is that you haven't noticed that these new players need at least 5 boxes to play. And I have friends in the game who don't have a good computer to run a virtual machine!
I play perfectly without affecting my 3 box game at all, but I am not selfish to think only of myself, I want everyone to play and have fun like this I do, so I think the best and leave with a minimum of fur minus 5 box.And i do find funny that you still believe a PC can run 5 L2 clients but cannot run virtual software..
I can also play with 7 clients but i am not that selfish to think only about myself and leave other people who just want to play with 1 character, waiting in queues, lagging or not able to complete quests because of the huge bot armies..
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41 minutes ago, kouto10 said:
After reading all the comments on this topic and seeing all the opinions I noticed that only those who are already top clan and already have their top items want the 3 box limit.
Which I think is at least funny, as most players don't have good solo farm items in 100+ areas. Many new players use 7 accs to be able to farm their items in areas like GC and EV and how do you think these PAULINE set only players go to the farm with 3 boxes in EV or GC ??
The minimum a new player needs is 5 boxes so you can have your “ISS, HEALER and TANK” on the pt so you don't die all the time.
I liked the “PLAY IN GROUP” speech “SOCIALIZE WITH OTHER PLAYERS”, very interesting to say that if the strongest clans only accept players if they are level 105+ with “GOOD EQUIPMENT”, now tell me something how a beginner player will be able to this if there is no clan or farm areas ??
Because Big BOSS has a monopoly on clan tops, farm areas like Tanor canyon, Alligator, Fild of wispper new players won't be able to farm from pauline set.
I think it's a mistake NCSOFT and its collaborators limited it to 3 box, 5 box is the minimum required to play
As these people from "top clans" explained more than once, if new players need more than 3 accounts, they can use another PC, or if they cannot afford a second PC, they can use virtual machine software which is free.. What is so hard to understand here?
This restriction will certainly limit unnecessary boxes, and most probably if performance improves they will allow some more clients..
In addition, if by new players, you also mean "free" players, its time for them to understand that equipment, medium and above, cannot be obtained without NCStore.. It's better to understand now than later in any case... If they hope that by logging 20 chars in the game they will get good equipment, they better learn that this is not gonna happen... At least not in the next 5 years..
I can't say that i agree with all these insane prices in the L2Store but this is a reality.. It makes more sense to me to ask for lower prices than to ask for no prices at all or to ask for unlimited boxing..
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Yes thx all for your answers..
In any case i think my point remains that the description of the item is a bit misleading since it only increases "your share" of adena drop..
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7 hours ago, n0nserviam said:
Prestige rune is working as intented. Its simple maths , lets say one mob regural rewards 10k adena and with prestige rune you get 30k. When you invite your iss initial 10k are splited in half so 5k for you and 5k for your iss. So your portion with prestige rune will become 15k half of what you could get alone. I hope it makes sense to you
Yes it makes sense this way.. But these ain't really simple maths.. I just forgot how maths work in this game..
In simple maths, the adena from mob should be tripled and shared between me and my iss, we should share the 30k as per your example.. As it is the total amount shared is 20k...
Any way thanks for clarifying that..
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12 minutes ago, LMAE said:
BEST COMBO IS TOP DD SOLO OVERLORDBUFF OUT OF PARTY(STACKED GODLY GEAR EVIS OR TYRR KAVA) OR 3 MANS PARTY AL MUST HAVE RUNE BEST PROFIT WISE ALSO DEPENDS UR KILLRATE SPEED.
ITS AL ABOUT GEARS WHITOUT BLOODY WEOPENS LVL3 JEWELS CLOAKS NO PROFIT.
My question is different and doesn't have to do with gears and best combo for farming..
btw nothing can compare to a stacked up feoh or archer currently in the game... My kill rate and gear are not bad..
Thx anyway..
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According to the description of Prestige Rune, it increases the drop rate of adena by 300%..
Well, i've noticed today that this is not true when you are in a party and the others do not have a prestige rune too... It's easy to check now with the double adena event (which is quite good by the way)...
When i am farming solo, i get 30k-50k adena per mob.. When i invite my ISS to the party who doesn't have a prestige rune, the amount is reduced to approximately 15k - 30k per mob (the sum of what both toons obtain ofc).. I can easily prove that with a video...
@Juji Could you please check this and confirm that is indented please? To me that's a false advertisement... The rune doesn't say that it increases adena by 300% when all party members have it.. I understand that this is not top priority for you but please check..
Thank you
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43 minutes ago, Pa3bouhuka said:
I got same problem,if some1 know how to fix it,pls let me now...
Have you tried inserting North America in the area selection?
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17 hours ago, byba said:
nope,
no game selection after login:/
You should choose North America on the Area Selection field on the launcher.. Even if you live in Europe or wherever you should select North America.. I guess that should be the problem..
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I agree..
It would be better to just pay a monthly fee and have everything you need in game.. I just have to add that the monthly fee and the in-game grinding should be reasonable, not like today..
However, watching the way things go lately, i find extremely optimistic this to happen..
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3 hours ago, OneDayDelete said:
I did the math on the adena cost it would take to go from 1 to 6. On just one necklace, it would cost approximately 415-420 billion in mats to get it to level 6 (at least at Naia prices). Extremely expensive? Yes... However, NCSoft is trying to make more content for the top tier players. It keeps the game alive longer by making it harder to obtain. Do you really want everyone running around in R110 and God jewels 3 days after they come out? There would be nothing left to work for.
It's out of my price range, but at least it keeps players on the servers and the game I enjoy playing alive longer.
That's maybe the cost if you upgrade successfully on all stages.. You forgot to calculate the fails that will inevitably occur because there is a random chance..
In any case, if that would keep players on the servers it could be good, but i don't think that's the case any more..
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15 hours ago, Fleur said:
It of course does not cost 10k dollars. Do you math again. Of course spending 10k dollar for top pvp isnt that strange things for korean/japanese servers. I know people from there - they are very few and server is empty though. There I know a few people who spent actually more than 100,000 dollars - not 10k dollars. Trust me. People who pay will still pay till the end skeletal bone end.
14 hours ago, Bable2 said:they are not blown out of proportion.
There was a guy named starco once who spent 4k US dollar on la vie rose brooch jewels. He got no lvl 5 jewel out of that.
Seeing as the god jewels are very powerful id say its only right for them to be that much more expensive. Relatively to the rest of the game
For the calculation i did the assumption that only NCCoins will be used and that 5 bottles can be obtained every 50 bags.. If someone has opened 50 bags, he/she can enlighten us about the actual amount obtained.. However, i don't think it will be much different...
And this amount, even if it is the half of it something like 5k, it's not for a top pvp item.. It's just for a stage 1 necklace which is actually the equivalent or a bit better than a blessed valakas one.. For the top item, someone should reach at least stage 3, which shall be done with triple the amount and the chance mentioned... So for reaching stage 3, someone would roughly need 3 times the amount of stage 1 and should be more than lucky to achieve with the company's chances.. This is to me the most expensive item ever, even compared with the brooch jewels which were already insanely expensive..
And i know that people are spending thousands of dollars in the game.. But even these people will say enough is enough at some point.. Noone likes to be scammed or milked like this...
We should all step back and understand that this is a game, and games are to be fun, not cash deposits..
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14 hours ago, mixa said:
You crystalize certain epics for the bottles, getting them from the bags is a bonus. I'm sure some ppl already made a jewel or two.... or full set
Yes we can crystalize 2 valakas necklaces to have a chance to obtain a gran kain one... And we all know how the chances work with Korean random..
This company has a strange sense of humor...
Live Server Maintenance: Wednesday, December 18, 2019
in General Live Discussion
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Lol, what do you really expect man.. Do you think they are running the server on a home pc with one ssd for the O/S and one hdd for the data... That's low even for a home pc, with modern standards..
I have no idea what exactly is their infrastructure but i can give you an idea of what modern high-performance systems look like..
Modern systems are fully virtualized, meaning they have a minimum of 10 virtual servers with 3-tier architecture running on each physical server.. Physical servers are using a minimum of 16 CPUs which are server only with very expensive licenses and they have a minimum of 4 physical servers just for redundancy, usually much more.. RAM is a minimum of 1 terra on each server.. Storage is of course on separate machines and probably NAS technology with full stacks of ASA disks is used (the new scsi)..
Needless to say this equipment is really expensive..