Lineage Classic Player Trying to Catch Up with Lineage Development

[MonteDirac]

I recall playing Lineage Classic around the time the time it initially came out. Out of interest for the game's legacy, I was wondering if it still has a fan base and a development team keeping up with maintenance and surely enough it does appear to still have them both. I'm interested in learning more about the development of the game over my decade long hiatus from playing. If anyone could share any resources below that could help me catch up, it would be much appreciated.

[Zvr]

Lineage 2 in general is dead, if you want to preserve great memories of old times just don't play any version of current game.

PVP is dead, its now afk farming game with macros( in game macro or mouse/keyboard).

Classic servers are dead.

Live is at stage to be dead soon as well.

Only one which is decent at the moment is Aden and only reason of being so is fact that it is new server and version of game, Aden will die very soon (probably faster than Live) after most of people realize that you cant do anything without spending much more $ than on Live servers.

Game has potential its just sad it is run by incompetent management who don't listen players at all and their only interest is to grab as much money right now without any care of future of the game

To put you in perspective there was a streamer on Live server who quit game after realizing that although he spent $8000 on game he is still 1 shoot to many players and cant enjoy pvp since its so unbalanced, and Aden servers are even worse.

[4thcoming]

On 10/22/2021 at 3:21 AM, Zvr said:

Lineage 2 in general is dead, if you want to preserve great memories of old times just don't play any version of current game.

PVP is dead, its now afk farming game with macros( in game macro or mouse/keyboard).

Classic servers are dead.

Live is at stage to be dead soon as well.

Only one which is decent at the moment is Aden and only reason of being so is fact that it is new server and version of game, Aden will die very soon (probably faster than Live) after most of people realize that you cant do anything without spending much more $ than on Live servers.

Game has potential its just sad it is run by incompetent management who don't listen players at all and their only interest is to grab as much money right now without any care of future of the game

To put you in perspective there was a streamer on Live server who quit game after realizing that although he spent $8000 on game he is still 1 shoot to many players and cant enjoy pvp since its so unbalanced, and Aden servers are even worse.

Thank you for the response.  That's a very accurate assessment.  Lineage II isn't much an MMO anymore, it's just a decent IDLE ONLY game.  That's mainly due to the fact that most IDLE games are simplistic games with virtually no content or actual game.  They are barely more than basic graphics and a spreadsheet.  So saying it's a decent IDLE game isn't saying much.

As for the P2W all of those streamers are a problem.  They fully know how bad things are yet they contribute to the problem then complain about it later.  The fact is most companies and especially NCSoft may NEVER release a good product again if this trend continues.  They simply have no reason to care, work hard, or invest into making games at all when they can just abuse the predatory business model like everyone else.  There is one current solution and it's simple: STOP PAYING these companies.  Seriously it's that simple.  Educate clan members, talk about it on discord, encourage your friends to STOP, not trying wallet war.  If you're personally spending, STOP now.  Be part of the solution, not the problem.

[olopoiuoiugh]

On 10/22/2021 at 11:21 AM, Zvr said:

Lineage 2 in general is dead, if you want to preserve great memories of old times just don't play any version of current game.

PVP is dead, its now afk farming game with macros( in game macro or mouse/keyboard).

Classic servers are dead.

Live is at stage to be dead soon as well.

Only one which is decent at the moment is Aden and only reason of being so is fact that it is new server and version of game, Aden will die very soon (probably faster than Live) after most of people realize that you cant do anything without spending much more $ than on Live servers.

Game has potential its just sad it is run by incompetent management who don't listen players at all and their only interest is to grab as much money right now without any care of future of the game

To put you in perspective there was a streamer on Live server who quit game after realizing that although he spent $8000 on game he is still 1 shoot to many players and cant enjoy pvp since its so unbalanced, and Aden servers are even worse.

for pvp you need items =5k-10k$ therefore 90%ppl enjoy pve no sens to do pvp if you death in 1 hit and no bonuses from it

[4thcoming]

23 minutes ago, olopoiuoiugh said:

for pvp you need items =5k-10k$ therefore 90%ppl enjoy pve no sens to do pvp if you death in 1 hit and no bonuses from it

PVP is fun.  You run around stomping newbs by exploiting AOE causing players to flag.  That way you can laugh at everyone as you circumvent the entire Karma System.

The way PVP has always been.  Wolves taking down the Sheep avoiding all chances of competition like the plague.  It caters to the minds of children that want to have online power over others.  Sad to hear the truth about PVP and humanity?

Well the least that can be done is FIX this exploit that existed for nearly 2 DECADES LOL. 

If you want a REAL story about PVP go back to Diablo 1.  People would use hack programs to edit their stats just to repeatedly invite players to a game and PK them.  No drops, no benefit, no point.  Just the mindless thought process of a PKer wanting to troll others.  100% True story.

This exploit is actually helping to keep spots available and less people online to take up resources.  Keep that exploit around it helps to reduce the player base.

No need to waste $10k when you can use exploits for the same results.  Save yourself the expense and get even more kills

[Mete]

On 10/22/2021 at 1:21 PM, Zvr said:

To put you in perspective there was a streamer on Live server who quit game after realizing that although he spent $8000 on game he is still 1 shoot to many players and cant enjoy pvp since its so unbalanced, and Aden servers are even worse.

That guy quit cause a) he overspent for his means and b) cause he made a DD, invested only in dealing damage and expected what? not to receive any Damage cause he's pretty?

The game is playable investing far less than he did. Now, obviously, you can't catch up some guy that has been playing non stop for 15 years in a month, that's fair.

He spent what he spent, cause like he said himself, he wanted to be a "top player" in the shortest amount of time possible. That's not (and shouldn't be) possible, unless you spend silly money.

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3 minutes ago, Mete said:

That guy quit cause a) he overspent for his means and b) cause he made a DD, invested only in dealing damage and expected what? not to receive any Damage cause he's pretty?

The game is playable investing far less than he did. Now, obviously, you can't catch up some guy that has been playing non stop for 15 years in a month, that's fair.

He spent what he spent, cause like he said himself, he wanted to be a "top player" in the shortest amount of time possible. That's not (and shouldn't be) possible, unless you spend silly money.

You can spend $0 and get 100x as many kills by using the AOE exploit to flag players.

It's a real PVP intense game too.  With 100% res everywhere and no point....... well aside from harassing's, trolling, and EPeening.  I mean if your into wasting your time PVPing in out dated nearly dead bot fest game........ shouldn't you be playing Dark Souls?  Fortnite?  Street Fighter Moba's?  I guess that depends if you want to troll or compete

[Mete]

Just now, 4thcoming said:

You can spend $0 and get 100x as many kills by using the AOE exploit to flag players.

quit crying about it ... or stop using AOE skills that flag you. Risk-Reward. You want faster exp, you run the risk of being killed by flagging inadvertently. 

[4thcoming]

2 minutes ago, Mete said:

quit crying about it ... or stop using AOE skills that flag you. Risk-Reward. You want faster exp, you run the risk of being killed by flagging inadvertently. 

It's a PVP game brah lol.  Using exploits to kill people Auto Bot farming

I'm all for the exploit.  It helps to reduce the population and helps put the game into the grave where it belongs.

[Mete]

Just now, 4thcoming said:

It's a PVP game brah lol.  Using exploits to kill people Auto Bot farming

I'm all for the exploit.  It helps to reduce the population and helps put the game into the grave where it belongs.

You sound bitter. Try Hello Kitty Online. It's a love all around type of deal.

[4thcoming]

1 minute ago, Mete said:

You sound bitter. Try Hello Kitty Online. It's a love all around type of deal.

You must be a tough PVPer.  Look at you go on an Internet forum.  Wow I'm so impressed.

[Mete]

Just now, 4thcoming said:

You must be a tough PVPer.  Look at you go on an Internet forum.  Wow I'm so impressed.

Who me? I 'm a level 45 role player.

[4thcoming]

2 minutes ago, Mete said:

Who me? I 'm a level 45 role player.

Can you explain what a Karma System is and what it's for?

And try not to fall for the bait lol.  You will only destroy your credibility by answering it.  I don't even know there is a Karma System.  It's a PVP game.  If you don't want to die, don't log in?

[olopoiuoiugh]

3 hours ago, 4thcoming said:

PVP is fun.  You run around stomping newbs by exploiting AOE causing players to flag.  That way you can laugh at everyone as you circumvent the entire Karma System.

The way PVP has always been.  Wolves taking down the Sheep avoiding all chances of competition like the plague.  It caters to the minds of children that want to have online power over others.  Sad to hear the truth about PVP and humanity?

Well the least that can be done is FIX this exploit that existed for nearly 2 DECADES LOL. 

If you want a REAL story about PVP go back to Diablo 1.  People would use hack programs to edit their stats just to repeatedly invite players to a game and PK them.  No drops, no benefit, no point.  Just the mindless thought process of a PKer wanting to troll others.  100% True story.

This exploit is actually helping to keep spots available and less people online to take up resources.  Keep that exploit around it helps to reduce the player base.

No need to waste $10k when you can use exploits for the same results.  Save yourself the expense and get even more kills

sorry i do not see fun pvp with afk party farming or you need empty spot then have sens otherwise no sens do pvp you can go oly for more fair play pvp. eaven siege do not have sens as  castle bilions stay with CL usaly

[4thcoming]

5 hours ago, olopoiuoiugh said:

sorry i do not see fun pvp with afk party farming or you need empty spot then have sens otherwise no sens do pvp you can go oly for more fair play pvp. eaven siege do not have sens as  castle bilions stay with CL usaly

You are correct, but you must realize what you are up against.  The VAST majority of the MMO player base doesn't want to engage in PVP.  They never did and they are more sick of it than ever.  It wasn't even great when games where more balanced and fair.  That VAST majority won't touch a game like L2.  So you have the left over trash that's filtered out.  That's why you will see so much support for PVP.  Even though it's obviously an IDLE game and hardly has PVP let alone the P2W garbage and terrible mechanics.

That's why an exploit like AOE flagging has existed for nearly 2 DECADES LOL.  The community wasn't smart enough to fight against it, the developers where not smart enough to realize what a negative impact that has on potential customers.  The $$$ value in a simple fix to that is absurd, yet no one at the company even gave a damn .

It's obvious and common knowledge in the community.  I heard it on many streams and other venues.  Just talking open and casually about how the PK system in it's entirely (let alone the exploits) is just a grief mechanic for players to NOT to PVP, but to try to ruin each others AFK progress.

You need to realize a pretty sizable amount of the player base will do literally anything to ruin the game.  This is evident across all games everywhere.  Even all cultures and regions.  New World is dealing with it now with people exploiting the game.  Look at the history of Lineage 2.  It's ALWAYS BEEN A BOT FEST with massive cheating.

You can NEVER trust any MMO community to regulate their game or be able to cheat, macro, exploit, period.

The TRUTH is even upon release people would BOT on (classis style servers) and then go around PKing.  The FUN isn't in the work or the game play.

The GOAL and FUN of PKING is TROLLING and HARASSING others.  To TRIGGER THEM, to hinder them.  The actual mechanics are absolutely worthless.