ole Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Dear NCSoft developers, I do not clearly understand what was the point of removing cancel target skills and making Trick and Switch completely useless in PvP and 1vs1/9vs9 situations, in fact it's so useless that the skill will not be used at all after this update as it's doesn't work to mobs either. How is a dagger player supposed to get behind the enemy to land it's skills? I mean this is what daggers are all about trick/switch then step behind the enemy and use skill. Now with this update it's impossible to go behind a nuker, tank or any character that just stands and auto attacks. The only chance a dagger has is to land a shadow step or bluff which with full buffs(90% debuff resistance) is practically impossible. I don't understand why you keep nurfing daggers when they're complete garbage you just make them even worse. Please bring back Trick / Switch cancel target as it's in the core of the daggers and taking it away makes them completely unplayable. Regards. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanxFZ Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 impossible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifwsolate Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 I can understand taking SOME cancels out.. but this is too much.. whole reason of going TH is gone with every cancel removed being the highest cancel count class. I can deal with all these crazy changes, but no one asked for this crap, its a direct attack to daggers over 4 skills directly made useless now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifwsolate Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 focus chance even more trash now too. Mirage is complete trash +15% rate, elf's already have a way higher base attack rate, all while using focus death something focus power sacrifices on. completely ruined treasure hunter class 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixa Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 This is well known nerf that was coming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phellius Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Ncsoft review this change in skills mirage, shadow steep, trick and swicth, as they simply wiped out the daggers. Please review this decision as I believe it will bring balance back to the class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phellius Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 @Hime @Juji Please review the decision to change the mirage, shadow steep, trick and swicth skills, as this simply killed the pvp daggers. I rely on your seriousness and common sense to analyze this situation and bring back the functionality of the above skills. I thank you for your attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xHaseo Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 This just show us that NCKR is a massive tower of garbage. They removed all the cancel target debuffs, problem is, Trick and Switch had ONLY that has effect. TH's are over-nerfed now and so are all the daggers since they wont be able to side-step anymore during a PvP. Core skill 79 of THs being named "Mirage" and then not doing anything to resemble such an effect. Cause with a decent setup, blows are landing already at 90% so that 15% is useless as well as that -10% crt dmg received, since it wont change anything with all the crt dmg p2w items we had so far (ToF and Pendants). And then we play with ES landing 3k with 100% chance with their unicorn, even if you have no empower nor gear for Spirit sharing etc. Good job guyyyz, keep upgrading the P2W while ruining anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole Posted August 10, 2019 Author Share Posted August 10, 2019 Well, after today's Olympiad I realized that now dagger class is completely useless. One has to just simply Auto attack and you cannot do anything about it and consequently you cannot land any skills in the back of my enemy, nor the side. It this over-nerf didn't just remove trick/switch but consequently removed backstab from the equation. Now daggers have to play like tanks and attack enemies in the face with skills which completely kills the class. The whole point of the class is to be an Assassin, squishy but with high dmg output that requires skillful players to use trick/switch side steps to win against the enemies. Now this I for one, will not play TH anymore nor any other dagger because it was already useless in mass pvp but now it's even useless in 1vs1 situations such as olympiad/ outside 1vs1 and consequently 9vs9. Dear developers of NCSoft I strongly believe that you will evaluate the situation and see how these changes will kill the class and have a clear judgement when it comes to these skills and perhaps return trick and switch. Mirage change we can survive it's not too bad. It kind of makes the skill useless but it's okay. However, removing Trick and Switch from daggers is making the class unplayable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyFEAR Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) On L2wiki mean like: Confuses the enemy, causing them to cancel their target. @Juji Edited August 12, 2019 by DeadlyFEAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joheyca Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I dont know why Ncsoft want to kill daggers. We need to cancel target to survive and kill. It's just common sense. They gave archer's UE lvl 2. Boost crit rate/dmg from skills. But hey are taking away all our skills, this is lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joheyca Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 @Juji Just bring back trick and switch please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xHaseo Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 The fact is, i couldn't test the skills myself since i've them at lv 65 and i'm 77 on my TH. But i heard people saying that now they are useless, even tho, skill descriptions are still good. Switch is suppose to still cancel target while Trick should block the enemy attack (meaning that i can block enemy's skill casting?) idk. The annoying part is that, beside i did the TH for once in a retail and this happens, gg to me, is that the other daggers are kinda unchanged. They lost Trick or Switch...but their lv 79 skills are untouched. WR is the only one who keeps making sense as it always was the "Fast/Chance" dagger, meaning that the new Dodge that allows you to dodge both p. and m. skills totally makes sense for WRs. GHs counter attack is quite useless with all the p2w items that we will get that probably will increase resistance do deflects. THs lv 79 will now learn a skill named Mirage that wont 'mirage' anymore. +15% deadly rate is usefull ('cause you can't afford to make a REAL setup, otherwise you could cap deadly rate anyway) and -10% received dmg from crits...meh. Not worth as skill 79, so i really hope they will modify it on next patch. But, honestly, as far as i can see, NCK is throwing away both live and classic servers (4r4m's videos actually shows that both live and classic get really few updates, with classic getting like none per week in the K server)...while they are full focusing on the Essence project, either 'cause it's new and even 'cause that's a MUST P2W model with C weapons being sold right into the store...thaaat actually make kinda of sense, if you see at how L2 has evolved, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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