Crysis reward boxes 10 000 opening

[Uriel831]

Hi, after several months (100 per day) i collected 10 061 Elite water dragon army supply items (from Crysis) what is nice amount to statistic test of chances of reward. Now results:

Solustone       3831                                Beora  Ancient vitality tonic   71                                    Artifact crystal    2

Crystal R grade  4584                           PC cafe Storm scroll    154                                               Accesory augument stone 18

Spirit ore           3672                             Forgotten Spellbook chapter 1      19                           Talisman of Insanity  2

Talisman of insanity dropped after 6000 opened boxes  Chances are very low.

Opening these boxes need 1.5 hrs with new auto-use box opening system. @Wissptry ask NCsoft for higher speed  and also chances need some increase!

 

[Helv]

Thanks for sharing, I got insanity only once and it was at the very beginning when Crisis was introduced, since then - nothing and I've been doing Crisis almost every day.

I wasn't aware Artifact Crystals are as rare as Insanity, I think I've gotten 3 or 4 till now.

PS. I admire your patience for not opening those boxes for so long :D

[Uriel831]

Hi, my 2nd test 10 000 opened boxes

Solustone       3758                               Beora  Ancient vitality tonic   82                                   Artifact crystal    1

Crystal R grade  4696                        PC cafe Storm scroll    155                                              Accesory augument stone 19

Spirit ore           3619                            Forgotten Spellbook chapter 1      18                          Talisman of Insanity  00000000

Definitly Insanity was deleted from drop list @Hermes @WisspBut you forgott update description and delete Insanite also there. Please do it. Your chances are pretty crap and you upset players hard. 

[Fell]

36 minutes ago, Uriel831 said:

Hi, my 2nd test 10 000 opened boxes

Solustone       3758                               Beora  Ancient vitality tonic   82                                   Artifact crystal    1

Crystal R grade  4696                        PC cafe Storm scroll    155                                              Accesory augument stone 19

Spirit ore           3619                            Forgotten Spellbook chapter 1      18                          Talisman of Insanity  00000000

Definitly Insanity was deleted from drop list @Hermes @WisspBut you forgott update description and delete Insanite also there. Please do it. Your chances are pretty crap and you upset players hard. 

try recording a video and posting it on youtube next time

[bentorero]

pretty sure i got 2 insanity from last 2 months. though from 2 diferent chars

[Uriel831]

3 hours ago, Fell said:

try recording a video and posting it on youtube next time

will be 2h video  Opening is slow on automat

 

[Uriel831]

point of this is that 3-4 month effort and no one Insanity @Wissp @Hermes Shame on you.

[bentorero]

lol... technically its just a little  over 4 days

[Connex]

11 hours ago, Uriel831 said:

point of this is that 3-4 month effort and no one Insanity @Wissp @Hermes Shame on you.

why do you blame the "community managers" for stuff they are not responsible? "in theory"  they are hired to pass along messages etc and you come up with a "shame on you" message? its like havong an issue with the electricity company and blaming the janitor...

L2 has never been easy, deal with it, drops have ALWAYS been low, why do you feel "entitled" to get an insanity? just because you waited 100 days to open all those boxes, it does not mean that you get instant drop or the drop that you specifically want for that matter...

Have you played L2 in the past or ya'll come from random servers? 

[Uriel831]

14 hours ago, Connex said:

why do you blame the "community managers" for stuff they are not responsible? "in theory"  they are hired to pass along messages etc and you come up with a "shame on you" message? its like havong an issue with the electricity company and blaming the janitor...

L2 has never been easy, deal with it, drops have ALWAYS been low, why do you feel "entitled" to get an insanity? just because you waited 100 days to open all those boxes, it does not mean that you get instant drop or the drop that you specifically want for that matter...

Have you played L2 in the past or ya'll come from random servers? 

man where are you living? Wissp and Hermes are both community and more important GAME manageres. Their responsibility is if you not know:

1. listen community

2. manage some game settings

3. report bugs, errors, complains whatever in some way influence game

4. support for technician part of game

5. to make feedback for production staff in Korea

So yes I blame it for incompetence, no communication, zero feedback with community. 

If they make statement: Hi community, we discussed with Korea that the chances for example Insanity is low because players reported its low occurence. But unfortunatlly Korea not agree and chances remain as are. Then we will be all right and have answer. We have nothing now!!!

I obtained 6 Insanity from this boxes earlier in period of 2-3 years. So if you are not relevant to speak about that be rather quiet. I am playing L2 for 12 years (8 on Naia) so no bother us. 

This topic is about good relevant game test to show chances. Make yours, post picture and we disscuss.

[Connex]

2 hours ago, Uriel831 said:

man where are you living? Wissp and Hermes are both community and more important GAME manageres. Their responsibility is if you not know:

1. listen community

2. manage some game settings

3. report bugs, errors, complains whatever in some way influence game

4. support for technician part of game

5. to make feedback for production staff in Korea

So yes I blame it for incompetence, no communication, zero feedback with community. 

If they make statement: Hi community, we discussed with Korea that the chances for example Insanity is low because players reported its low occurence. But unfortunatlly Korea not agree and chances remain as are. Then we will be all right and have answer. We have nothing now!!!

I obtained 6 Insanity from this boxes earlier in period of 2-3 years. So if you are not relevant to speak about that be rather quiet. I am playing L2 for 12 years (8 on Naia) so no bother us. 

This topic is about good relevant game test to show chances. Make yours, post picture and we disscuss.

you said it yourself...

They report it to Korea, Korea does not give a f...., end of discussion. What is it that you want? Tell them again in case they reconsider? It will not happen, it is best if you accept how the game is take advantage of things that you can control and ignore the ones that you cannot.

a 1% change for example is 1 out of 100 in theory, but in reality you could do something 1000 times and still get nothing, or you could do 50 and get 2. Are you seriously trying to argue about RNG drop rates? In this game or in any game that has these kind of features?

Stop living in a delusional world where you feel that you "deserve" some kind of drops, open 10k boxes on the first try you got 2 insanities, on the second 10k none. I have gotten 2 within a month, that does not change anything.

There is a difference between reading a reply and undertsanding it, I might have gotten under your skin with the way I phrased my answer but it changes nothing, you focus on telling me that you play the game for a long time instead of aknowledging HOW the game works.

[Ballkain]

what i read was him showing his results of 2 different scenarios of opening large quantities of boxes and showing what appears to be a nerf in rewards.  I just opened 3500 crisis boxes and also no insanity's,  very few freya scrolls, 9 chap ones.  seems nerfed to me too.

[Mitzza]

4 hours ago, Connex said:

you said it yourself...

They report it to Korea, Korea does not give a f...., end of discussion. What is it that you want? Tell them again in case they reconsider? It will not happen, it is best if you accept how the game is take advantage of things that you can control and ignore the ones that you cannot.

a 1% change for example is 1 out of 100 in theory, but in reality you could do something 1000 times and still get nothing, or you could do 50 and get 2. Are you seriously trying to argue about RNG drop rates? In this game or in any game that has these kind of features?

Stop living in a delusional world where you feel that you "deserve" some kind of drops, open 10k boxes on the first try you got 2 insanities, on the second 10k none. I have gotten 2 within a month, that does not change anything.

There is a difference between reading a reply and undertsanding it, I might have gotten under your skin with the way I phrased my answer but it changes nothing, you focus on telling me that you play the game for a long time instead of aknowledging HOW the game works.

Dude everything you say it is just to argue with some one, you don't  even care about the topic  or read what people  post, welcome back from the hole, nc makes a good event and mole people start appearing from underground and post on forums.

[Connex]

16 hours ago, Mitzza said:

Dude everything you say it is just to argue with some one, you don't  even care about the topic  or read what people  post, welcome back from the hole, nc makes a good event and mole people start appearing from underground and post on forums.

You are absolutely wrong, I do care and that is why I try to get people to stop being snowflakes. The game is not easy, it is what it is and has been since day one. 

Actually, you know what, you are right! If people have not yet, after 20 years figured out that , nothing we say matters, the drops are rare and the grind is eternal,  then I am here just to argue but also the topic is pointless cuz nothing we say will change the drop rates. 

And since we are on the topic, can you please break down to me, the topic and the replies and tell me how related are my answers to OP and yours to mine. If anyone is here to argue, that is you defending someone that is literally crying over RNG box rates.

un efin believable, the lion... the witch and the audacity of this snowflake!

[Mitzza]

11 hours ago, Connex said:

You are absolutely wrong, I do care and that is why I try to get people to stop being snowflakes. The game is not easy, it is what it is and has been since day one. 

Actually, you know what, you are right! If people have not yet, after 20 years figured out that , nothing we say matters, the drops are rare and the grind is eternal,  then I am here just to argue but also the topic is pointless cuz nothing we say will change the drop rates. 

And since we are on the topic, can you please break down to me, the topic and the replies and tell me how related are my answers to OP and yours to mine. If anyone is here to argue, that is you defending someone that is literally crying over RNG box rates.

un efin believable, the lion... the witch and the audacity of this snowflake!

Well first

If you say that Korea doesn't care what people post here then why does it bother you some posts here? You just said they don't care so were is the problem if someone post here about the rates is useless that why would you coment on a useless post, you just made a useless comment on a useless posts according to your logic, so you can make a useless comment but others not.

Second:

-how do you know that the rates ar not rong?  you can't prove that the rates ar working right, so you say he is rong about the rates  on the talismans but you can not prove that the rates ar working well- so you just made another useless comment. 

In 2020 you posted many time that this game is a marathon and not after long time you came back and say the same thing, but have you ever been in a real marathon?

This game is not a marathon a long run,  it is a short run that is repeating over  and over.  

This game is a shop not a marathon. 

You say this game is hard but again rong, this game is expensiv not hard, just throw 50 000 in the game and you will see it is a very easy game....

[Connex]

21 minutes ago, Mitzza said:

Well first

If you say that Korea doesn't care what people post here then why does it bother you some posts here? You just said they don't care so were is the problem if someone post here about the rates is useless that why would you coment on a useless post, you just made a useless comment on a useless posts according to your logic, so you can make a useless comment but others not.

Second:

-how do you know that the rates ar not rong?  you can't prove that the rates ar working right, so you say he is rong about the rates  on the talismans but you can not prove that the rates ar working well- so you just made another useless comment. 

In 2020 you posted many time that this game is a marathon and not after long time you came back and say the same thing, but have you ever been in a real marathon?

This game is not a marathon a long run,  it is a short run that is repeating over  and over.  

This game is a shop not a marathon. 

You say this game is hard but again rong, this game is expensiv not hard, just throw 50 000 in the game and you will see it is a very easy game....

obviously you cant compete with players that have been playing for over 7-8 years, some have been playing a lot more or others who have invested a small fortune.

but I can tell you from experience that the rates for drops were always low, I am not goin to explain again how RNG works.

I am replying since there is not going to be any sort of reply from the community managers plus I am trying to explain how chances work in games.

As far as the game needing 50k, you are wrong, take any game, throw 50k and you are good to go, now ima save myself some time and give you the short version.

People that neveer quit and kept playing, which means they "ALREADY" had gear, were able to farm the new content and improve their character, rinse and repeat. Sure money was involved but if you want to be able to farm 30+ bil adena per week with no investment then you should manage your expectations.

 

[Mitzza]

8 hours ago, Connex said:

obviously you cant compete with players that have been playing for over 7-8 years, some have been playing a lot more or others who have invested a small fortune.

but I can tell you from experience that the rates for drops were always low, I am not goin to explain again how RNG works.

I am replying since there is not going to be any sort of reply from the community managers plus I am trying to explain how chances work in games.

As far as the game needing 50k, you are wrong, take any game, throw 50k and you are good to go, now ima save myself some time and give you the short version.

People that neveer quit and kept playing, which means they "ALREADY" had gear, were able to farm the new content and improve their character, rinse and repeat. Sure money was involved but if you want to be able to farm 30+ bil adena per week with no investment then you should manage your expectations.

 

Replying to players is actually a good thing,

Just remember if you can pay you way to get to the finish line, then that is not a marathon, a marathon is when all people that take part of the marathon must put the same effort to finish, if you are rich or not all the people that take part of the marathon must put the same efort to get to the finish line.

This game is just a  a casino with casino events. And players complain about the game being expensive and casino style, not about being hard. 

[Connex]

11 minutes ago, Mitzza said:

Replying to players is actually a good thing,

Just remember if you can pay you way to get to the finish line, then that is not a marathon, a marathon is when all people that take part of the marathon must put the same effort to finish, if you are rich or not all the people that take part of the marathon must put the same efort to get to the finish line.

This game is just a  a casino with casino events. And players complain about the game being expensive and casino style, not about being hard. 

wake up.. all games are now casinos, in every game, they have a f2p model and then put micro transactions and QoL shop features. 

95% of your problems/obsactles go away if you throw money at them... 

also, this might be a game for us, to have fun, but for others, its their job (not talking about the community managers), the need to reach goals and quotas...

honestly, ima stop here, wish you to enjoy the game and have a great day !
 

[Ballkain]

2 hours ago, Connex said:

wake up.. all games are now casinos, in every game, they have a f2p model and then put micro transactions and QoL shop features. 

95% of your problems/obsactles go away if you throw money at them... 

also, this might be a game for us, to have fun, but for others, its their job (not talking about the community managers), the need to reach goals and quotas...

honestly, ima stop here, wish you to enjoy the game and have a great day !
 

You write the stupidest crap I have read in a long time.   All games are NOT a casino, you my friend, are now a liar, I hate liars.  I threw money at my crisis boxes and guess what, they are still nerfed, like the op said.   You F'ing lied and said I would get more w/ money!!!   What does people making rl money off the game have anything at all to do with opening crisis boxes.  It's also not a marathon when people can cheat left and right at no cost.  95% of these problems occurred when people started throwing money AT problems in hopes they go away, not the other way around.   try that in real life.  Veterans have very little advantage as you say cuz their gear got out dated too, dunno where ya came up with that fantasy.   Thats what players say when they are embarrassed to admit they invested 20 grand and a month later the item becomes obsolete.    1 year old toons higher level then 14 yo toons is proof.  All I see you doing is trying to pick a fight w/ anyone that will bite.  

I am someone, beta player,  who tested the boxes and see a change, did you?

[Connex]

13 minutes ago, Ballkain said:

You write the stupidest crap I have read in a long time.   All games are NOT a casino, you my friend, are now a liar, I hate liars.  I threw money at my crisis boxes and guess what, they are still nerfed, like the op said.   You F'ing lied and said I would get more w/ money!!!   What does people making rl money off the game have anything at all to do with opening crisis boxes.  It's also not a marathon when people can cheat left and right at no cost.  95% of these problems occurred when people started throwing money AT problems in hopes they go away, not the other way around.   try that in real life.  Veterans have very little advantage as you say cuz their gear got out dated too, dunno where ya came up with that fantasy.   Thats what players say when they are embarrassed to admit they invested 20 grand and a month later the item becomes obsolete.    1 year old toons higher level then 14 yo toons is proof.  All I see you doing is trying to pick a fight w/ anyone that will bite.  

I am someone, beta player,  who tested the boxes and see a change, did you?

jesus... from your response, I can tell that English in not your strong suit.

Let me break this down for you. Most of the games now are free to play with micro transactions that have some sort of loot box or items you can buy from the store and upgrade or get something with a certain chance, examples: Lost Ark, buy gems to upgrade your gear with 2% chance! that is gambling right there, hence the casino reference.

"you threw money on your crisis boxes?" what does that even mean?

where did I say that players are making money from the game? I was referring to NC soft as a company, they created the game to make money, not out of the goodness of their heart. ( again, English not your strong suit)

If by veterans you mean that people that played 7 years ago and just came back, then you clearly did not undertsand what I was referring to. People that have NEVER stopped playing or have been playing for the past 8 years straight can follow content easier than a new player.

Its is a players choice, where, when or how they will spend their money, but this comes back to people "having" gear and can follow new content, so if I want to go to TOI as a new player, I would have to spend an absurd amount of money all at once ( both for gear and levels), vs a player that has the levels and might be able to farm there or needs way less items to reach that point.

 Finally, I am getting about 3 artifact crystals and 3 maybe 4 forgotten books and 3-4 accessory aug stone per week, plus the 1400 mobs quest which I am saving for the next XP event. With the prices ( before the event) , I was making on average 5.5 bil per week from crisis with data from 4 consecutive weeks with a 111 archer that is roughly 20ish bil per month, maybe add some bad weeks, that is 15bil per month from a 1 hour instance per day. Who cares if I do not get an insanity every other week. Sure it would be nice but will not lose sleep over it.



 

[Ballkain]

Degus here,

idk wtf you are even rambling here, I know you, you know me,  you're just starting arguments for no reason.  My toon cost more to maintain weekly then you are farming on above mentioned toon.  Random or not, it's black and white, a customer should not open 10,000 boxes and not see an insanity.  When a person opens larger quantities of boxes several times, ya kind of get a feeling of how thing will turn out.   I do the same, save all boxes till a missive amount is acquired, then go.  

My first time, 2 insanity, 2nd time, 1 insanity.  Don't have a problem there, 3rd time 0 insanity, and all other rewards halved, I see with my own eyes, nerfed!  Simple.

Dude,  I have an idea for ya, save all the boxes w/ freya scrolls ya get and open them all in a month.  Now imagine doing that and having half the scrolls ya expected because some secret nerf.  HALF!!!  

I am not trying to insult, nor do I have any reason "to get back at you."  Someone posted their observation, and my own testing, to me, confirmed it.  

[Connex]

36 minutes ago, Ballkain said:

Degus here,

idk wtf you are even rambling here, I know you, you know me,  you're just starting arguments for no reason.  My toon cost more to maintain weekly then you are farming on above mentioned toon.  Random or not, it's black and white, a customer should not open 10,000 boxes and not see an insanity.  When a person opens larger quantities of boxes several times, ya kind of get a feeling of how thing will turn out.   I do the same, save all boxes till a missive amount is acquired, then go.  

My first time, 2 insanity, 2nd time, 1 insanity.  Don't have a problem there, 3rd time 0 insanity, and all other rewards halved, I see with my own eyes, nerfed!  Simple.

Dude,  I have an idea for ya, save all the boxes w/ freya scrolls ya get and open them all in a month.  Now imagine doing that and having half the scrolls ya expected because some secret nerf.  HALF!!!  

I am not trying to insult, nor do I have any reason "to get back at you."  Someone posted their observation, and my own testing, to me, confirmed it.  

ohhey.. sup! Of course I do, what happened to your account?

so here is the arguement! You feel that the drops have been nerfed, cool. 1-2 people does not make the rule, you and OP could be the exception, bring stats from 100 players and that could be a sample, not even the rule, but a small sample will do. Not to me, I am fine with how things are, meaning I have accepted the "low drop rate" for a while now.

I have no doubt that high level toons need a ton of adena to maintain, that was never the case, nor I disagree... but when you play with chances, you cannot expect the same outcome every time. Here is an example that I know you know , +4 to +5 artifacts, 40% chance, 0/5 times, sayha talisman lv8 -> lv9, 8% chance, one tap. Does this mean that the artifact rates have dropped even if it says 40%, I should have gotten at least 1 out of 3 tries right? or what about the 8% that succeeded? it should have been 1 out of 12 tries but got it in first.

I think I had the same discussion in the past with you and since I have worked for a gaming company that has "chance to get" an item on their lootboxes etc, I can see the same exact pattern from players, if I cannot get the SAME items ( or in your case fewer than that one time it happened to get so many) something must be wrong.

I do know you know your stuff and apologies for earlier, voicing different opinions is not a reason to argue but your initial reply, did not make it easy either!

 

[Connex]

also.. I gotta address this cuz it is funny!

Someone deleted 2 of my 1 line posts... degus saw that! and the only people that can do that are the CM's here.. which oddly enough moderate the content but cant provide a single reply on people that have been spam tagging them...

such wow, much fail!

[Ballkain]

they are getting out of control with the removing posts.

My main acct is perma ban 

18 minutes ago, Connex said:

 Here is an example that I know you know , +4 to +5 artifacts, 40% chance, 0/5 times, sayha talisman lv8 -> lv9, 8% chance, one tap. Does this mean that the artifact rates have dropped even if it says 40%, I should have gotten at least 1 out of 3 tries right? or what about the 8% that succeeded? it should have been 1 out of 12 tries but got it in first.


 

And I agree with this, but lets add some more tries.  10 thousand tries is a lot, I would not run around in a field during lightning storm it there are 10,000 chances of getting hit.  But,  if it was 100 chances of getting hit, depending on the "reward" I would probably risk it.  No matter how low the %, in 10,000 tries, you are bound to get struck.