Tyrr Titan Crit skill build

[Neesir]

Building Titan around Skill critical rate, it is standard to get:

+15 Dex Dyes to improve base Skill critical rate

R110 enchanted Light set for 5% Skill power and +3 Dex

+5 Radiant Authority

Abundance Talisman lv 1 or more(buff is awesome)

Fire/Hunter weapon SA's

Cancer Agathion ++

Aries Agathion ++

Etc.

But my biggest issue is the Skill enchant route, read some threads about it and Break should be the best overall one, unless patk is low and Power gives more damage but in my testing, focus gave the best results. Whats wrong here?

 

 

[Neesir]

I kinda test it myself with Hierophant Buffs + POM,no Abundance buff,Frenzy, Berserker, Furious Slasher, Force Intention, Savage, Dragon Rage, Hurricane Shackle. Hit mob Nos Lad with the skill Sonic Slash 20x :

Gear:

+6 Leviathan enchanted heavy FE.

+8 Krishna bloody Slasher Hunter 9/critical Hunter 9(+21% skill critical rate) FE.

+12 Atlas.

Paulina ring the +15% p skill crit dmg one.

Tauti ring.

+15 str dyes.

Break +10 enchant, average per hit 55558.

Focus +10 enchant, average 50369(no crits)

Power +10 enchant, average 49569(took 4 consecutive hits for 10k out of the equation)

Only "Power" enchant route failed skills that hitted for 10k dmg, "Break" looks like the winner here but "Focus" sure looks alot better with full buffs+autobuffs.

 

[Srelock]

I asume with Focus u crit more often?

[Aleppo]

@Neesir

I haven't played Titan in a long time. Just curious why you're going for Skill Critical rate? As far as I know, Titan's damage mainly comes from normal hit/P. Atk. Critical Damage. Has this changed?

[Neesir]

10 minutes ago, Srelock said:

I asume with Focus u crit more often?

But didn't, base Skill Critical rate is to low because i have +15 str dyes, i have to change.

 

3 minutes ago, Aleppo said:

@Neesir

I haven't played Titan in a long time. Just curious why you're going for Skill Critical rate? As far as I know, Titan's damage mainly comes from normal hit/P. Atk. Critical Damage. Has this changed?

Because Tyrrs got boosted in skill power this Chronicle making this builds more accessible to the average Joe, still i need to change a lot of things. But it is still amazing aoeing Storm Isle and Primeval with skills, if i crit it's all one shoted.

[Neesir]

1 hour ago, Aleppo said:

@Neesir

I haven't played Titan in a long time. Just curious why you're going for Skill Critical rate? As far as I know, Titan's damage mainly comes from normal hit/P. Atk. Critical Damage. Has this changed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6pV69EcnjQ&t=5s 

I'll make better videos, this one was one of the 1st ones, i'm still improving.

[ProDigY]

4 hours ago, Srelock said:

I asume with Focus u crit more often?

 

5 hours ago, Neesir said:

Focus +10 enchant, average 50369(no crits)

 

[Lunastariel]

I'm quite keen on this topic. Please do update more!

[Neesir]

Seems like Sonic Star does not crit, so i will test it all again with Hurricane Storm, i will also test with Light set and aria bracelet +3 Dex to see if the increase in 6 Dex will do something.

[Rodah]

I'm watching this thread as well; thx for the test and keep them coming

[KingNothing]

Just a reminder that DEX does not influence the skill critical rate of skills other than yuls and othels. They have a passive skill which give them that correlation between dex and skills. For the others classes like tyrr/iss... it does not work.

I did my own testing with skills and even changing SA's, ap skill, pom and abundance buff, the skill rate is so low on normal skills that the change was almost imperceptible. ( i didn't test with focus enchantment though). The landing rate was always something around 10-20% for most skills, only sonic star and infinity strike had a 40-60% rate. I did a 100 rounds for every skill and i really got disappointed. At least for me as Dreadnought auto attacks for aoe is still the best option.

[Rodah]

47 minutes ago, KingNothing said:

Just a reminder that DEX does not influence the skill critical rate of skills other than yuls and othels. They have a passive skill which give them that correlation between dex and skills. For the others classes like tyrr/iss... it does not work.

I did my own testing with skills and even changing SA's, ap skill, pom and abundance buff, the skill rate is so low on normal skills that the change was almost imperceptible. ( i didn't test with focus enchantment though). The landing rate was always something around 10-20% for most skills, only sonic star and infinity strike had a 40-60% rate. I did a 100 rounds for every skill and i really got disappointed. At least for me as Dreadnought auto attacks for aoe is still the best option.

Unfortunately you're right about DEX.

https://l2wiki.com/classic/Character's_Stats

 

[KingNothing]

1 hour ago, Rodah said:

Unfortunately you're right about DEX.

https://l2wiki.com/classic/Character's_Stats

 

thats for classic version of l2... dex doest not change p critical damage.

[Neesir]

Setup 1 https://i.imgur.com/Hxe9pG0.jpg

Setup 2 https://i.imgur.com/bb7qCbW.jpg

Hurricane Storm +10 Focus: Setup 1 - 16757 (average 20 hits Nos Lad, 7 crits) , Setup 2 - 10284 (3 crits)

Hurricane Storm +10 Break: Setup 1 - 17966 (5 crits) , Setup 2 - 11754 (3 crits)

Hurricane Storm +10 Power: Setup 1 - 16977 (7 crits) , Setup 2 - 10365 (3 crits)

Sonic Star +11 Break: Setup 1 - 58418 , Setup 2 - 54036. Sonic Star doesn't seem to crit, although most hits are around 55.000 damage, 10% hit for 12.000 damage.

Didn't test with full buffs, only normal buff's w/sonatas + POM, but yes it really looks like DEX does not influence Skill Critical Rate on Tyrrs. It also Looks like Break is the best enchant route and only goes better with more enchants.

 

 

[Neesir]

3 hours ago, KingNothing said:

Just a reminder that DEX does not influence the skill critical rate of skills other than yuls and othels. They have a passive skill which give them that correlation between dex and skills. For the others classes like tyrr/iss... it does not work.

I did my own testing with skills and even changing SA's, ap skill, pom and abundance buff, the skill rate is so low on normal skills that the change was almost imperceptible. ( i didn't test with focus enchantment though). The landing rate was always something around 10-20% for most skills, only sonic star and infinity strike had a 40-60% rate. I did a 100 rounds for every skill and i really got disappointed. At least for me as Dreadnought auto attacks for aoe is still the best option.

Yes i am aware, but on youtube some russians debate that it still improves Skill Crit rate, although much less than archers because of that passive. I would enjoy some more insight, keep it coming guys, thank you.

[Neesir]

Trying to improve from this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhPG9BHJnHo

 

[KingNothing]

16 hours ago, Neesir said:

Trying to improve from this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhPG9BHJnHo

 

In my opinion even on titan if u put a spear in hand will be better. U have 1min full aoe attacks and when its on cd u can run to a corner or back to a rock and hit all mobs at once. I see you're looking for a diferent build using skills, but if ure looking for good aoe farming on tyrr I still think normal hits are the way to go. ( at least with lower gear like us).

This is me

https://youtu.be/72hNl0TqA_g

[Rodah]

18 hours ago, KingNothing said:

thats for classic version of l2... dex doest not change p critical damage.

You might be right but... if you hold your mouse over stats in your Character Status (Alt+T) it matches what is in the link.  We really don't know everything DEX does because you can't read the last line in-game, it's cut off (for me at least).

I should do a test with Blaster on my Maestro because I think now they (we) have the highest P.Crit Rate of all Tyrrs.  Superior Blunt Weapon Mastery gives 30% P.Crit Rate. 

When I play live in in Storm I can AOE hunt with skills with my blunt and kill pretty fast. 

Edited May 27, 2020 by Rodah

[Neesir]

Setup 1 https://i.imgur.com/Hxe9pG0.jpg

Setup 2 https://i.imgur.com/bb7qCbW.jpg

Setup 3 https://imgur.com/4EmV79y https://imgur.com/4EmV79y https://imgur.com/4EmV79y https://imgur.com/4EmV79y

Setup 4 same as setup 5 but with +8 leo +8% patk and Might SA +10% patk 

Setup 5 https://imgur.com/a/idoesIo

Data: https://imgur.com/a/OZaBRqd

By analyzing the data, with setup 3, the boost of DEX did not improve the skill Critical rate, but as we can see, Hunter SA did, so, it's my conclusion that skill crit rate isn't influenced by DEX but by STR on Tyrrs, and Skill crit rate + dmg + patk looks like the best stats to go after, wtb + 8 cancer agathion

I stated before that Sonic Star doesn't criti, i was wrong, it's a debuff too and i could only notice after i changed the system window, it crits pretty often, base crit rate for sonic star is pretty high! Most important skill for all tyrrs.

Edited May 28, 2020 by Neesir

[iAndouille]

Hello,

First of all if you want to build a skill critical rate/dmg tyrr it's viable in the game nowadays and especially for pvp purposes, 

In order to get urself a strong skill critical rate you will need to get

Cancer agathion charm max 10% - P skill critical rate artifact 10% - 10% skill critical rate from AP - Kain skill critical rate SA 15% - An augment for p skill critical rate works too (15%)

In this patch, and with all these items, Focus skill enchant route is viable.

DEX does not affect Skill critical rate at all , what you need is STR for the patk.  DEX is completely useless.

When you have all of those items, you will probably crit 1/4  1/5 of skills, and more than 60-70% of ur infinity strike/sonic star will crit.

If u build all that p skill critical rate, be sure to build alot of p skill critical dmg also, jewels, augment,SA, circlet, cloak etc.  

Personally nowadays i hit ppl for 2-3k dmg, but when a crit happens it jumps to 20-25k which is a huge diff, with the right setup u can do alot of damage. 

P.crit rate = Normal atk crit rate and not skills crit rate.

That pskill crit rate/dmg build will only works for you if you have a strong wallet to spend 1 Trilion + on gears, otherwise it will be plain useless and u should consider going full pve mode with pcrit dmg/patk to farm and build urself step by step annother tyrr build.

[Neesir]

35 minutes ago, iAndouille said:

Hello,

First of all if you want to build a skill critical rate/dmg tyrr it's viable in the game nowadays and especially for pvp purposes, 

In order to get urself a strong skill critical rate you will need to get

Cancer agathion charm max 10% - P skill critical rate artifact 10% - 10% skill critical rate from AP - Kain skill critical rate SA 15% - An augment for p skill critical rate works too (15%)

In this patch, and with all these items, Focus skill enchant route is viable.

DEX does not affect Skill critical rate at all , what you need is STR for the patk.  DEX is completely useless.

When you have all of those items, you will probably crit 1/4  1/5 of skills, and more than 60-70% of ur infinity strike/sonic star will crit.

If u build all that p skill critical rate, be sure to build alot of p skill critical dmg also, jewels, augment,SA, circlet, cloak etc.  

Personally nowadays i hit ppl for 2-3k dmg, but when a crit happens it jumps to 20-25k which is a huge diff, with the right setup u can do alot of damage. 

P.crit rate = Normal atk crit rate and not skills crit rate.

That pskill crit rate/dmg build will only works for you if you have a strong wallet to spend 1 Trilion + on gears, otherwise it will be plain useless and u should consider going full pve mode with pcrit dmg/patk to farm and build urself step by step annother tyrr build.

Thank you but i beg to disagree, Crit skill build is viable to the average Joe this Chronicle, and that was my entire point, trying to make it work and test it. I do not have a deep wallet but there are several items i could get over the years and those work great, i do now know what to get next. But thank you a lot for your insight.

Edited May 28, 2020 by Neesir

[iAndouille]

Well the disadvantage with tyrrs is the base skill critical rate, so everything that will add 10-15-20% will have a small impact,

adding 100% skill rate to 1/10 base will just get u to 2/10 skill crit, we will always have low skill crit rate except for sonic star and infinity strike

in korea with a stage 3 dragon weapon (+50% skill rit rate) and all the other items,  tyrrs are critting like 1/3 of skills, and 100% of sonic or infinity strike, these two skills are the only one with a high skill crit basE.

But critting 1/5 of skils on a tyrr is already alot and will make the diff in any 1v1 for sure, a crit is like 10-15x the dmg so its totally worth.

[Neesir]

21 hours ago, iAndouille said:

Well the disadvantage with tyrrs is the base skill critical rate, so everything that will add 10-15-20% will have a small impact,

adding 100% skill rate to 1/10 base will just get u to 2/10 skill crit, we will always have low skill crit rate except for sonic star and infinity strike

in korea with a stage 3 dragon weapon (+50% skill rit rate) and all the other items,  tyrrs are critting like 1/3 of skills, and 100% of sonic or infinity strike, these two skills are the only one with a high skill crit basE.

But critting 1/5 of skils on a tyrr is already alot and will make the diff in any 1v1 for sure, a crit is like 10-15x the dmg so its totally worth.

That's the conclusion of the test i've made, Sonic star has a huge base crit rate, so better enchant route is still break and all rest focused on:

1st Critical Skill Damage.

2nd STR.

3rd Patk.

4th Critical Skill Rate.

Do you agree?

[iAndouille]

Focus on getting the cheapest stuff to benefit from those boost, and over time u will see how u can improve all those point with the money u have  

 

[Mysla]

On 28.5.2020 at 5:23 PM, Neesir said:

Setup 1 https://i.imgur.com/Hxe9pG0.jpg

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Thank you very much for sharing @Neesir !