@Conguero @hime @whoeverstillworksthere - If you read any thread, TRY THIS.

[HiccUps]

The player feedback regarding event(s) goes unanswered. It's your choice as foolish as it is.

That said, IF YOU WANT TO EVEN ATTEMPT TO SALVAGE A NON-EXISTENT POPULATION:

1. ALL ITEMS SHOULD BE IN L2 STORE 100% OF THE TIME - CIRCLETS / CLOAKS / JEWELS / RED LIBRA / BAITS / ETC. NO BUSINESS MODEL SELLS AN ITEM 1-TIME (OR TWICE) PER YEAR. COULD YOU IMAGINE : Amazon is only selling refrigerators for the next 30 days. SOUND IDIOTIC - POINT MADE => DUMB ON ANY LEVEL!

- YOU WANT PLAYERS TO STAY, THEN WHAT PART OF ANY COMMON SENSE DICTATES:

EXAMPLE: "I need a lvl.4 tanz to move up / survive more - *sad Look* - but now I have to wait 6 months or 12 months." => PLAYER STOPS & NEW/RETURNING PLAYERS SAY WTF AND LEAVE - WHO ON EARTH (other than NCWEST atm) SETS SOMETHING UP WITH AN AD: COME JOIN US, SUCCESS RATES 0.00000001, COST REDICULOUS, AND YOU HAVE TO WAIT 2 YRS FOR CYCLE.

DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH ALL THE OTHER *cough* intelligent ASPECTS OF THE GAME - BUT TO NOT HAVE EVERYTHING IS L2 STORE YEAR ROUND IS JUST DUMB.

PS => IF YOU HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT, I CARE LITTLE TO INDIVIDUALS ATTEMPTING TO MAKE MONEY OFF THE GAME (I.E. buying jewel boxes, warehousing, selling 3+ months after event -THE GAME WASN'T MEANT FOR YOU TO MAKE MONEY => THE GAME IS SUPPOSED TO BE A 'MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER...' - allow ppl to come in and GET WHAT THEY NEED WHEN THEY NEED IT!

[Argus]

Lower the prices of l2 store items, but do not increase the price of NCoins of course, for example - pack that costs 8000 should be around 2000 NCcoin! Circlet of Power big pack should be 4000 NCcoins at max, not 14 400!

Introduce some of the L2Store items obtainable in game by playing, your new PROMO items should be introduced at some time also, probably with delay so people who are rly in rush can buy em from the store. Decide which items will be BOUND to the players Account, not character but Account!!!

Mid to High lvl pvp should be back in the game.Game is interesting when there is Drama,Trashtalk and PVP is competitive, so boost the MID-HIGH lvl pvp. You want more sales .. do not send us a newsletter with the Circlet promo, but lower prices, make pvp a real part of the game again. Nowadays ppl hide in small pve clans, because of the huge gap between them and the visa warriors, it is already time to fix that.

Top Dogs of the server will stay at that position, but there will be a window of opportunity for the opposition... come on think outside the box and fix the game, it is still possible.

Many old players will move back here, new will come, ppl will invite their old friends! More players, lower prices, bigger demand, more drama, trashtalk, pvp, sieges, ganks, more live ppl behind the PC's, more active players, that's what we need... a fresh breathe of air 

Many people like me are willing to give you money, but for a good product, where we can have fun, so go ahead, we are waiting  

[Whatif]

1 hour ago, HiccUps said:

The player fe ...... loads of crap here... finish !

m8 ,  it is not socialism model  . go figure what is capitalism  and come back with ur statements how game is meant to be. I do not say NCsoft is right doing what they doing, but hell you have to know who you are and what is NCsoft. Deal with it, or just leave. U have a choice. Democracy rules still apply  to certain level ) .

[m0da]

I totally agree with Argus.. The only solution to this craziness is for the prices to be significantly reduced.. Otherwise, we will continue to have these 5-10 ppl exploiting the game and its economy in their favor as well as pixel items with prices of thousands of EUROs!!!

Now about the first post of having all items in the store all the time.. Well i think that if that was possible, NC would have put all the items in the Store..I strongly believe that they are not doing that with the aim to evade or better avoid taxes.. Promotional event is different than a Selling event.. Donations are different from purchases.. A permanent sale is different than a promo event..

Hasn't anyone wondered why we don't pay any VAT (tax)?? As far as i know there are no product sales that should be VAT exempt, even digital downloads.. 

NC is well aware that the legal framework about online games is outdated in most of the countries across the world.. And it's obvious that they do good use of it..

 

 

[__SpOO__]

This kind of topic(s) and things were discussed so many times during the past few years.

Guess what happened? What changed?

N O T H I N G

There is just no hope left anymore. They do not care about what players are thinking, suggesting, try to discuss etc. Yes, we can get tons of promises, empty ones. We already experienced and this one not just once.

Game over

 

[HiccUps]

34 minutes ago, Whatif said:

m8 ,  it is not socialism model  . go figure what is capitalism  and come back with ur statements how game is meant to be. I do not say NCsoft is right doing what they doing, but hell you have to know who you are and what is NCsoft. Deal with it, or just leave. U have a choice. Democracy rules still apply  to certain level ) .

WHATIF: Certainly not interested in a flaming thread...but seriously don't be so ignorant and/or daft. The game was not meant to protect your little ability to make $1.98 and/or to substantiate your life. If you can't understand my original post as to NCWEST offering all products in the L2 store permanently, then there is no cure for your stupidity. Now you are excused.

TO THE REST: The original post was void of 'perceived value' (for the most part), or asking for the re-pricing of items. The original post did not ask for changes to success rates, although it did sarcastically reference the abysmal current rates in jest.

It was however, solely based on giving the customer the ability to BUY any/all items at a time their individual toon felt a need to acquire the item FROM NCWEST, and not wait for a ridiculous 2 yr+ idiotic cycle.

As per the pricing model and the success rates - I would agree that it is a moot topic as it will never change. So if NCWEST is too foolish to get out of their own way currently, why not do it with a fully comprehensive L2 Store. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that new and/or returning players willing to try, WILL NOT PUT UP WITH AN ASSININE 2YR+ CYCLE - come back or come try...let ppl kick the crap out of you with no hope on outfitting your toon - ya, ok => LMAO.

[Argus]

5 minutes ago, HiccUps said:

TO THE REST: The original post was void of 'perceived value' (for the most part), or asking for the re-pricing of items. The original post did not ask for changes to success rates, although it did sarcastically reference the abysmal current rates in jest.

I agree, people who join, want to gear up and play, simply do not have the chance of doing it! Because of the incredible low rate of the enchants, rate we do not know at all, rate that can be corrected by NCsoft without us knowing it..!!

Mid lvl to high lvl pvp is dead, mid geared character gets 1 shot from top pvp, where is the fun in that? There is no logic, YOU MAKE ppl quit and not spend more on L2Store.. Who is responsible about that, making people stop playing, stop spending, stop pvp'ing, lose interest in playing to my perception this is so bad, it is insane  

[Rodah]

I feel like I am talking to a wall but the solution to this is painfully obvious.  You don't even need to lower prices. 

Make it EASIER to get "good" items and HARDER to get "top" items. 

So, for example, with brooch jewels make it much easier to get level 4's but harder to get level 5's (and by extension 6's).  So instead of needing 50~ lv1's to make a lv4, increase the success rate so that it only takes 20-30.  This way players with limited means can get a good item which allows them to play with the stronger players (obvious caveats apply).  Think about it; shirts, easy to make a +7, VERY hard to make a +10.  Cloaks; easy to make a +15, VERY hard to make a +20, etc, etc.  I PROMISE you the whales will spend boatloads of $$$ for the boost while mid tier players can get decent gear at a reasonable price.  It's a WIN WIN!

[KKKm]

The gap between a geared player and a end game player is not that big considering that azen and others do play and compete in this lvls without spending any money in game . I do beleave so that this event was helpful for the community since it gives you an item that boosts your stats significant with very low cost compared to the other items ( example broonch jewels ) now with a noble tiara I do as mutch dmg as with lvl 6 ruby ( from lvl 4 ) not to mention that I had to do so many pre quests to get this at attribute wille now you almost for free so cost of my tiara was 15 bill . I got a pack with the ms. Amount of nc coins sold the radiant stone 42 bill . Sold all th rest for 13 bill = 55bill . Bought the tiara for 20 bill profit of the event 35 bill not bad at all . But as allways if you are not lucky you need to spend more . Like all events somebody gets lucky somebody no . All nova have radiant like @fooz and pepinio witch even made it a few minutes after the  event started and bet next dim siege they get destroyed again no matter what . Now about those who will come here and say they have still rune etch etc . I watched the video and if I were ms I would never get rune or Aden and just let nova use all this feather , valiant scrolls witch are expensive non stop trying to stop the casting . The tacktik for them bring 2partyes and die at the crest room and press feather valiant every 3-4 min by 2-3 ppl at a time works well for nc soft .thanks nova for keeping the servers up keep it up with the good help of ms .  And not to mention that if nova didn’t have to spam valiant feather every siege by so many members they could have bought a lot of lvl 6 jewels instead of feathers . 

[Ferine]

9 minutes ago, Rodah said:

I feel like I am talking to a wall but the solution to this is painfully obvious.  You don't even need to lower prices. 

Make it EASIER to get "good" items and HARDER to get "top" items. 

So, for example, with brooch jewels make it much easier to get level 4's but harder to get level 5's (and by extension 6's).  So instead of needing 50~ lv1's to make a lv4, increase the success rate so that it only takes 20-30.  This way players with limited means can get a good item which allows them to play with the stronger players (obvious caveats apply).  Think about it; shirts, easy to make a +7, VERY hard to make a +10.  Cloaks; easy to make a +15, VERY hard to make a +20, etc, etc.  I PROMISE you the whales will spend boatloads of $$$ for the boost while mid tier players can get decent gear at a reasonable price.  It's a WIN WIN!

I think I get what you're trying to say, but the way you make it sound is ridiculous. It'd be crazy to make the current OP stuff harder to get, for the simple fact of how massive a gear imbalance it all adds.

 

One of the problems is that the top items are far far better than the 2nd top items in a lot of cases and in cases where they're not, they're still very good in comparison. Stack it all together and you end up with the massive gear gaps we have in the game today. The game has always been much better when the difference in gear and levels hasn't been so prominent.

 

Before the +6 etc set bonuses etc people still had top stacked gear, they were stronger than normal toons, but they weren't so far ahead pve and pvp wise that other players couldn't catch up. Hell, they added so much OP store junk and gear imbalance to the game that they had to boost the mobs to accommodate for it!

[Nortewemko]

Damm, another p2w item , now nc knows how to earn more ez money, take an item, turn it in fragments, sell this fragments on store to players rebuild it in a final item again losing their money with joke % chances, and add pack more expensive than last promo. No sense items that ingnites more and more the unbalance ingame.

4 , 8 , 12, 14.4, 16, and next pack 20k ncois. 

Im fell so free from this grab money system , 2 months and when i come here  i dont see nothing that we write on forums and support as feedback was implemented in game, when u guys open your eyes and give a cold to nc and stop to feed this for some time, maybe they hear you all. Stop to feed this so obvious grab cash system, l2 doesnt exists anymore. The fun and relax is the most important than an item status, hold your wallets for a time and w8 for a respect from this company that earn ez money with sick vicious ppl.

They don't care about us. Your wallet? Yes.

Maybe some cm gm etcm come here, ignore all ideas and just look for some posts to delete and maintain their dictadure. They have a soft heart and they cant read the true, it hurts.

Respect us nc. Stop with this unfair ez money scheme.

[Rodah]

5 hours ago, Ferine said:

I think I get what you're trying to say, but the way you make it sound is ridiculous. It'd be crazy to make the current OP stuff harder to get, for the simple fact of how massive a gear imbalance it all adds.

 

One of the problems is that the top items are far far better than the 2nd top items in a lot of cases and in cases where they're not, they're still very good in comparison. Stack it all together and you end up with the massive gear gaps we have in the game today. The game has always been much better when the difference in gear and levels hasn't been so prominent.

 

Before the +6 etc set bonuses etc people still had top stacked gear, they were stronger than normal toons, but they weren't so far ahead pve and pvp wise that other players couldn't catch up. Hell, they added so much OP store junk and gear imbalance to the game that they had to boost the mobs to accommodate for it!

I suppose it's all a matter of perspective.  I play support in PvP (don't pvp as much as I used to; time constraints) and because I set my char up properly I could withstand most damage with the exception of Dragon Weaps (which I freely admit are broken).  All my gear is what you would consider tier 2 (just below top) which I have slowly accumulated it over the course of 5 years. 

To be fair some classes can get away with this and some can't.  Unfortunately that is the reality of L2.  Another reality is 90% of the L2 population won't/can't think outside the box. 

EDIT:  And just so we are clear; I recently left MS and you recently joined NOVA.  It's not Fooz and Zuri (most geared w/o dragon weap?) who are the MVP's during siege; it's Truffle and Pep.  When one of those two are missing the other side almost always wins.

[Ferine]

1 hour ago, Rodah said:

I suppose it's all a matter of perspective.  I play support in PvP (don't pvp as much as I used to; time constraints) and because I set my char up properly I could withstand most damage with the exception of Dragon Weaps (which I freely admit are broken).  All my gear is what you would consider tier 2 (just below top) which I have slowly accumulated it over the course of 5 years. 

To be fair some classes can get away with this and some can't.  Unfortunately that is the reality of L2.  Another reality is 90% of the L2 population won't/can't think outside the box. 

EDIT:  And just so we are clear; I recently left MS and you recently joined NOVA.  It's not Fooz and Zuri (most geared w/o dragon weap?) who are the MVP's during siege; it's Truffle and Pep.  When one of those two are missing the other side almost always wins.

I'm completely with you there, I've played Support since 2005 and have always been just under top teir with gear. However now Tier 1 is the dragon weapon stacked toons and 2 is probably the top gear lvl 5/6 jewels, no dragon weapon toons. I guess I'm below that with lvl brooch 4 jewels, ekimus, all epics bar lindi etc. In last siege I was happily tanking most MS parties and even Truffle etc were managable outside of full skills. It's still way not enough to be competitive in oly or a strong open pvp dd etc when I start leveling my dual. It's a shame because I used to really love Olympiad and open pvp gank runs etc.  

 

My setup still cost a fortune compared to what many have, it's cost a fortune compared to what any sane person would spend in a game, however I'm still tens of thousands of dollars off the top players stuff, and in an almost dead game that's a crazy cost. People slightly worse gear than me can't touch me, but people with slightly more gear then me will destroy me, there's just no curve or balance for any competitive play left. Even 2 years ago I was bored in oly as it was just either easy win or easy loss, never a fun fight.

[Conguero]

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