DooRi Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Spent the last few days trying out the new changes to my 101 SwM main. Here are some of the things i noticied. 1: SwM Song of Assualt STACKS with Pom. (though song only lasts 30sec.) 2: SwM Aoe Debuffing= pain. To activiate that you need to be in 'Triad' state. To get triad state need to actively use Sforzando Sting+ the 2 single tgt debuffs. When those land the 'Triad' state is activated during which the other/new skills are available (Party mp regen, jump back, aoe debuff). You can only use one skill. Then repeat to use other. (ex: aoe debuff, do the 3 single debuff skills, then you can regen party mp. etc..etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 9 hours ago, DooRi said: Spent the last few days trying out the new changes to my 101 SwM main. Here are some of the things i noticied. 1: SwM Song of Assualt STACKS with Pom. (though song only lasts 30sec.) 2: SwM Aoe Debuffing= pain. To activiate that you need to be in 'Triad' state. To get triad state need to actively use Sforzando Sting+ the 2 single tgt debuffs. When those land the 'Triad' state is activated during which the other/new skills are available (Party mp regen, jump back, aoe debuff). You can only use one skill. Then repeat to use other. (ex: aoe debuff, do the 3 single debuff skills, then you can regen party mp. etc..etc) And half br every 8 sec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulk Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 i see the ppl complain about iss swm triad state.... maybe is because u need to be active? Try reading also what that aoe debuff gives and also and try remember u are a support class that can buff/res/heal/mp recharge/debuff... what more can u ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanjo Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 ISS: Issues that can influence race decisionsISS Strategy: Max reduction cooldownhttps://forums.lineage2.com/topic/290-iss-strategy-max-reduction-cooldown/ Shield or Sigil for ISS?https://forums.lineage2.com/topic/288-shield-or-sigil-for-iss/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetasgrande Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 So in the end which is the best Iss to have for buffing and some PVEing as a box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AiZeN Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Tetasgrande said: So in the end which is the best Iss to have for buffing and some PVEing as a box Heirophant no buffs can beat PoM nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanjo Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 101 PvE = hierophant 101 PvP (1vs1) = doomcryer 101 PvP (Mass Clan) = Doominator ISS Elve and Dark Elve = ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Quote ISS Sword MuseSwift Praise 85 For 4 sec. increases all party members' P. Atk./M. Atk./Atk. Spd./Casting Spd. by 150%. Cooldown 8 seconds. Wasn't aware of that skill. To me that's an overkill. With so many items/buffs that decrease skill reuse time, this buff can be spammed. Can't thing anything better (along with PoM) for solo and group play. Tera - 65 Archer/65 Berserker/65 Warrior/65 Gunner/65 Sorcerer - Inactive http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=1828&start=220#p37654 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AiZeN Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 PvE/Party PvP = Heirophant Oly = War Cryer BD/SWS/Domi = 2nd Iss on any PvE/PvP pt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFish Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 After update Dominators are just one_skill_char - removing celestials and that's all (ok, will be honest now - that really still our best skill). Yes , if you are 105lvl and will buff all clan with 5 lvl melodies - that is cute and nice. But if clan has 105lvl domi, im sure that almost every CP in that clan has also own iss\isses 105, so domi's mass buff on pvp isnt so important. New mass debufs with flag? Also - nope. Skills in 10 second with mediocre chance on landing doesnt help you a lot. Mass BR? Depend - i used that once at siege and just because I was sure that all other 2 isses near me were afk, so didnt interfere with me not before, neigher after. ( I think if that mass BR wouldnt have limit of iss - yes, that should be most OP skill at all in history of L2!) . Also party buffs. Sonatas now could be removed by 1 skill and all isses , exept Dominators, also buff sonatas in one skill. Welcome to fair play. (Also tell me someone, where on mobs we really could use cancel now with any profit? ) Olympiad - all depend also, but to be honest, Dominators are most reduced class now. Amazing short skills (both types - with flag and without flag) just in 10 sec, without cancel killing of sayhas posible just if them are 85 lvl and dont have brains and hands at all (fighting with all other classes, when they are all 5 min under full buff, is now also some kind of pervert pleasure). And remember to enchant your new sonatas for +15 or you will be happy to rebuff them in worst moment of match. OOOO! and best one! new harmonies says to Dominators special "Hi!" . Common fight you did under wizard, which gave movement speed + CD + m def. All was enough for win in fight with same or even far more stronger chars. But now you shoudl make all time your hard choice - or knight (and you are turtle without CD) or warrior (ok, you could run now, but still without CD and you dont have damage by desing) or wizard (mmmm, ok, thanks about CD at least, really appreciate it) ------------- With best wishes - ST 104lvl with doomcryer in CP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanjo Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 On 31/01/2018 at 11:29 AM, SilverFish said: After update Dominators are just one_skill_char - removing celestials and that's all (ok, will be honest now - that really still our best skill). Yes , if you are 105lvl and will buff all clan with 5 lvl melodies - that is cute and nice. But if clan has 105lvl domi, im sure that almost every CP in that clan has also own iss\isses 105, so domi's mass buff on pvp isnt so important. New mass debufs with flag? Also - nope. Skills in 10 second with mediocre chance on landing doesnt help you a lot. Mass BR? Depend - i used that once at siege and just because I was sure that all other 2 isses near me were afk, so didnt interfere with me not before, neigher after. ( I think if that mass BR wouldnt have limit of iss - yes, that should be most OP skill at all in history of L2!) . Also party buffs. Sonatas now could be removed by 1 skill and all isses , exept Dominators, also buff sonatas in one skill. Welcome to fair play. (Also tell me someone, where on mobs we really could use cancel now with any profit? ) Olympiad - all depend also, but to be honest, Dominators are most reduced class now. Amazing short skills (both types - with flag and without flag) just in 10 sec, without cancel killing of sayhas posible just if them are 85 lvl and dont have brains and hands at all (fighting with all other classes, when they are all 5 min under full buff, is now also some kind of pervert pleasure). And remember to enchant your new sonatas for +15 or you will be happy to rebuff them in worst moment of match. OOOO! and best one! new harmonies says to Dominators special "Hi!" . Common fight you did under wizard, which gave movement speed + CD + m def. All was enough for win in fight with same or even far more stronger chars. But now you shoudl make all time your hard choice - or knight (and you are turtle without CD) or warrior (ok, you could run now, but still without CD and you dont have damage by desing) or wizard (mmmm, ok, thanks about CD at least, really appreciate it) ------------- With best wishes - ST 104lvl with doomcryer in CP Complaining?Doomcryer:- No mastery or passive for Shield!- In the Olympics they say that only light Armor PvP lends in him, Heavy love say that it is a waste, inviable if one day wants to be hero. (So they're talking)- There are no Defensive buffs like the ISS DE / E- Neither has strong offensive Buff like POM- They say that ISS DE and Doomcryer together are strong, in the same PT, do not know poque? I do not even know if Chant of Bison adds with POM.The only weapon that seems to do well in the Doomcryer is 2h (Dual or 2h-weapon), because if you use a hand, there's the shield issue (to which it has no bonus)-Sigil da + 300 ~ 400 pdef final (In my opinion a low value), what do you think?- has no extra reduction of Cooldown, as has the hierophant.What the Doomcryer is good at is:- Freenzing Flame: But nothing seems to increase its damage (Normal or critical) and I do not even know if the M. Critical Rate influences the critical chance of this skill (although the Doomcryer's magic criticism is low).- Higher PS Attributes of the ISS: This hardly helps in the Oly (F. Flame + Topaz + poly + angel + barriers), and in PvE group even less.you who have more experience what can you tell me about the Doomcryer? Where is his strength (Gear, skills or whatever) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFish Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 crying and moaning about shiny old days - yes, light set for less CD will be better. but if to be honest - for olympiad you need both sets in same time for all types of enemies (all depend on when you need more deff and when more need CD). but that isnt problem for doomcryer to be good on oly in DARK heavy set. problem with CD could be fixed in any different way - and not just straight as decrease of CD, but as more items with damage - like 4 lvl topaz\insanity kelbim\pvp cloak\whatever for faster kill of opponent. (my current iss is superb in heavy ^_^) - again, iss is support class without any normal ability for 100% autonomous pvp . Say "Hello!" and make something nasty for eneminy - yes, able in case of very good gear/other class. On iss do pvp alone too hard (instead on tank) - you can kill nothing , but your mana for sefl-heal once gone and game over. So gave up and use on olympiad what you have now - "F. Flame + Topaz + poly + angel + barriers". That really way to glory - most classes you are able to win by dmg. also remember - in mass pvp you will play very different game, what doesnt cross with olympiad at all. - about pvp, mass and no so crowdly. your role here - check sonatas on pt members\remove sonatas from enemies (we will be optimists here and will count that you wont die from first aoe after celestial)\give AT which wouldnt cross with 1-2 purges\be in polymorph\resurect ppl\try to give BR\do tactial retreats with pt. for all that you need as much deff as you can get - so here is way for heavy set and full CON (bracelet\dyes\other stuff). also in pvp (especially now, when no more exists chain of UDs+celestials) you wont have time for second br, so no need think for CD for that kind of skills. - again about olympiad - here will be chars, which you will be always able to kill with "F. Flame + Topaz + poly + angel + barriers". or which will kill you from 1-2 hits. give it and give up. and remember - oly and pvp setups for iss are very different. oly needs from you STR as much as possible (because your life depends on how your skills land), instead of pvp - where from you need CON\deff (you will use just chaos symphony and nobody cares about will it landed or not, also you should stay at back of pt, so debuffs as general things arent your bussiness). (i hope no need to explaine that in our world of range-DDs you dont have chance to come so near to enemies without useless kamikadze-mission? ) - about your usefulness you in pt. IMHO: doomcryer is now most balanced class for mixed pt and in most cases for mili pt (because bison+ cryer's harmony) for both pve and pvp and without some special purposes (as example build on POM+2lvl harmony in homogeneous pt) . you just need to get +15 on sonatas, or ppl will curse you - DDs have nasty behave to run somewhere far from you and miss re-sonata. also your build all time depend on your CP's game . if CP will need - you will change class\race\sex\gear\whatever. so first get CP, which will pass for you, after depend on their need - build\rebuild char. and last thing - in one of future updates (with part "Baltus Knights") doomcryer as class will be deleted. will we get that update or not - knows just NCSoft. enjoy now. PS: relax from that amount of theory and nuances at last, try to get some fun from game on your class as you see this game for you. a lot of ppl fail OP by desing classes and some ppl are OP on trash-classes. just need love your class, and other all will apply. or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleistoros Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 4 hours ago, SilverFish said: and last thing - in one of future updates (with part "Baltus Knights") doomcryer as class will be deleted. will we get that update or not - knows just NCSoft. enjoy now. Nice post Silverfish, what do you mean by doomcryer as class will be deleted ? In what next chronicle?Coz in Etina's End they are alive and kicking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFish Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 http://lineage2.plaync.com/board/update/view?articleId=627026&page=2 https://l2central.info/articles/gameplay/1031-lineage-ii-salvation-put-rytsarej-baltusa Which type we will have - dont know. Or both creating chars system will be alive parallel (so nothing will change for already created chars, or they will get Chaos Essence for main\dual). That doesnt mean that you should run now in panic and change class - just have info, that you are doomed. Again - doomcryer now is most useful and balanced class for most part of pts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asachiara Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 For me best combination for party these days Hiero+SwM (35% skill crit rate and Skill crit dmg + trigger BR) Hier+DC (25% skill cirt dmg and crit rate + 15% patak/Matak and +15% skill power and more or less Warrior harmony with -20% cooldown) Hiero+OL (25% skill cirt dmg and crit rate + pvp debuff like cancel celest) Hiero+BD (Warrior 2 for pvp is let's say good for dagger only but could be very good for Titan/Ertheia PvE single target) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleistoros Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 19 hours ago, SilverFish said: http://lineage2.plaync.com/board/update/view?articleId=627026&page=2 https://l2central.info/articles/gameplay/1031-lineage-ii-salvation-put-rytsarej-baltusa Which type we will have - dont know. Or both creating chars system will be alive parallel (so nothing will change for already created chars, or they will get Chaos Essence for main\dual). That doesnt mean that you should run now in panic and change class - just have info, that you are doomed. Again - doomcryer now is most useful and balanced class for most part of pts. I got it. It might be a bad interpretation...from kr link i understand that its 1 time issue aka only for implementation of this sistem. Anyway, seems NcSoft wont have that sistem...so no worries here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleistoros Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Most of you are off topic...I think question was what ISS is the best seen from a live ISS player point of view not from the ones who benefit of our buffs. Here some imputs... 1.Hierophant- now have only 2 atack skills except Chaos Symphony whixh have too much mp cost. Yes, Pom is nice now coz it came with another extra buff...I dont rly understand whats up with this 150 range and magic added to normal hits buff but hey, its NcSoft and they have misterious ways to do things. Overall, Hierophant become a very unconfortable class to play...only 2 atack skils with 5-6s cooldown, low defence, foreced to play wizard harmony and now wizard its not rly good for any melee class. 2.Doomcryer- Here we find many great improvements....class buff from toggle to pasive is best, 4 offensive skils+Chaos Symphony its something very good, powerfull buffs then other ISS-sonata...yes, less duration but after a while its not that anoying, last but most important..Cryer Harmony. I have nothing bad to say about Doomcryer...Its an ISS on steroids. I played only those 2...I would like other fellows ISS to describe their class. Ofc, a DD who benefit our buffs see things diferent...like Asachiara...but you as the one who active play the iss class what you feel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astarot Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 POM Stack Chant of Bison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asachiara Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 11:36 PM, Astarot said: POM Stack Chant of Bison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asachiara Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 On 2/12/2018 at 3:55 PM, Asachiara said: No it does not I was mistaken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disp0sable Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Some good common sense mentioned here. I play main Doomcryer and feel pretty content since the update. I would echo some of the comments that for specialist CP set up well to complement specific did classes then SwS and BD can offer some OP benefits. This comes at a penalty in general PVE as class seem more fiddly to play. I'm lvling a heiro for duo/trio box play with my titan. In my opinion this is all it's good for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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