Devoid Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 For the reference, here's the observed rates BEFORE @Hime claimed that they will be boosted more than twice:https://forums.lineage2.com/topic/7769-experiment-ct-drops/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-62208 On 11/7/2018 at 1:16 AM, Hime said: Adena quantity, item drop, and the spoil rate will be raised by more than double in these affected areas that had lower than intended rates: Cruma Tower: 1st Floor Cruma Tower: 2nd Floor Now, after some time has passed and I could gather some data, I present you: CT drop rates - AFTER 2018-11-07 maintenance. Porta (Observed kills: 4290) Comparison: https://l2wiki.com/classic/Porta Varnish (1): 441 drops = 10.280% Iron Ore (1): 423 drops = 9.860% Silver Nugget (1): 172 drops = 4.009% Steel (1): 38 drops = 0.886% Mithril Tunic Fabric (1): 35 drops = 0.816% Oriharukon Ore (1): 35 drops = 0.816% Mithril Scale Gaiter Material (1): 32 drops = 0.746% Brigandine Gaiter Material (1): 28 drops = 0.653% Brigandine Temper (1): 18 drops = 0.420% Scroll: Enchant Weapon (D-grade) (1): 0 drops Mithril Scale Gaiters: 0 drops Krator (Observed kills: 4590) Comparison: https://l2wiki.com/classic/Krator Steel Arrow (10-30): 779 drops = 16.972% Iron Ore (1): 430 drops = 9.368% Varnish (1): 423 drops = 9.216%Proof of Blood (1): 187 drops = 4.074% (Enough kills and drops to prove there was NO CHANGE in drop rate) Silver Nugget (1): 173 drops = 3.769% Steel (1): 46 drops = 1.002% Reinforced Mithril Glove Design: 34 drops = 0.741% Dwarven Chain Boot Fragment (1): 34 drops = 0.741% Plated Leather Boot Lining (1): 33 drops = 0.719% Chain Glove Design (1): 32 drops = 0.697% Karmian Glove Fabric (1): 28 drops = 0.610% Karmian Boot Fabric (1): 27 drops = 0.588% Oriharukon Ore (1): 26 drops = 0.566% Chain Boot Fragment (1): 21 drops = 0.458% Recipe: Karmian Stockings (1): 12 drops = 0.261% Dwarven Chain Boots: 3 drops = 0.065% Chain Boots: 2 drops = 0.044% Karmian Boots: 1 drop = 0.022% Reinforced Mithril Gloves: 1 drop = 0.022% Recipe: Dwarven War Hammer (1): 0 drops Ricenseo (Observed kills: 2114) Comparison: https://l2wiki.com/classic/Ricenseo Stem (1): 383 drops = 18.117% Varnish (1): 161 drops = 7.616% Suede (1): 118 drops = 5.582% Durable Braid (1): 59 drops = 2.791% Mithril Glove Design (1): 24 drops = 1.135% Assault Boot Fragment (1): 23 drops = 1.088% Ogre Power Gauntlet Fragment (1): 18 drops = 0.851% Sage's Worn Glove Lining (1): 18 drop = 0.851% Plate Boot Design (1): 16 drops = 0.757% Salamander Skin Boot Lining (1): 11 drops = 0.520% Recipe: Plated Leather Armor (1): 3 drops = 0.142% Recipe: Chain Gaiters (1): 3 drops = 0.142% Assault Boots: 1 drop = 0.047% Mithril Gloves: 1 drop = 0.047% Premo (Observed kills: 838) Comparison: https://l2wiki.com/classic/Premo Thread (1): 138 drops = 16.468% Animal Skin (1): 81 drops = 9.666% Suede (1): 47 drops = 5.609% Chain Shield Fragment (1): 16 drops = 1.909% Leather (1): 14 drops = 1.671% Eldarake Temper (1): 12 drops = 1.432% High-grade Suede (1): 8 drops = 0.955% Chain Hood Pattern (1): 8 drops = 0.955% Eldarake: 1 drop = 0.119% Mordeo (Observed kills: 659) Comparison: https://l2wiki.com/classic/Mordeo Thread (1): 123 drops = 18.665% Animal Skin (1): 62 drops = 9.408% Suede (1): 35 drops = 5.311% Leather (1): 12 drops = 1.821% High-grade Suede (1): 6 drops = 0.910% Recipe: Aquastone Necklace (1): 4 drops = 0.607% Glaive Edge (1): 1 drop = 0.152% Recipe: Crystallized Ice Bow (1): 0 drops Torfe (Observed kills: 304) Comparison: https://l2wiki.com/classic/Torfe Proof of Blood (1): 29 drops = 9.539% Thread (1): 22 drops = 7.237% Animal Skin (1): 20 drops = 6.579% Cursed Bone (1): 11 drops = 3.618% Suede (1): 10 drops = 3.289% Dwarven Chain Shield Fragment (1): 6 drops = 1.974% Great Helmet Material (1): 3 drops = 0.987% High-grade Suede (1): 1 drop = 0.329% Leather (1): 1 drop = 0.329% Validus (Observed kills: 277) Comparison: https://l2wiki.com/classic/Validus Stem (1): 43 drops = 15.523% Suede (1): 27 drops = 9.747% Varnish (1): 24 drops = 8.664% Cursed Bone (1): 20 drops = 7.220% Durable Braid (1): 10 drops = 3.610% Chain Mail Shirt Fragment (1): 3 drops = 1.083% Dark Elven Dagger Edge (1): 1 drop = 0.361% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Overall, what is your impression of whether these rates are (1) anywhere near 1.5 rates and (2) playable? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 For reasons that escape me, I can't edit the above. I looked at the comparisons and it's clear the rates aren't anywhere near 1.5. They may have raised the rates, but they are still far short of what they should be. The important question, then, is the second one. Is the game playable this way? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagg Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 It looks like its true we got "Adena quantity, item drop, and the spoil rate raised by more than double"... from 0.20 to 0.50 rates. As vip4 with CP drop rate looks somehow aceptable in CT and EV, but adena drop is still not enough to compensate regular use of SS nor any skill that requires spirit ore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgerking Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 10 hours ago, Lawman said: For reasons that escape me, I can't edit the above. I looked at the comparisons and it's clear the rates aren't anywhere near 1.5. They may have raised the rates, but they are still far short of what they should be. The important question, then, is the second one. Is the game playable this way? Thanks. For summoners , No its not . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niph Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Nice work! Seems that most rates rided around 2x (1.7 or 2.2 might be just called 2). Remeber that they said it is intended to have rates low, and we might assume it is because of RMT and botters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 41 minutes ago, Niph said: Nice work! Seems that most rates rided around 2x (1.7 or 2.2 might be just called 2). Remeber that they said it is intended to have rates low, and we might assume it is because of RMT and botters. I believe you mean .5x. When they severely nerfed rates on the live servers years ago they said it was to combat botters and RMT sales. All it did was mess up the game for real people and make what the RMTs were selling (adena) even that much more scarce and valuable. Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of supply and demand could have told them that is what would happen. If they are still pursuing that failed notion they are making the same mistake all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devoid Posted November 11, 2018 Author Share Posted November 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, Lawman said: I believe you mean .5x. When they severely nerfed rates on the live servers years ago they said it was to combat botters and RMT sales. All it did was mess up the game for real people and make what the RMTs were selling (adena) even that much more scarce and valuable. Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of supply and demand could have told them that is what would happen. If they are still pursuing that failed notion they are making the same mistake all over again. I think he meant to say, that besides Steel and PoB, the current drop rates are roughly twice what was before 11-07 maintenance. And yeah, we are still nowhere close to the Innova/l2wiki rates that so many people believed this server will have. Not that there was any reason to believe it, given how other regions handled classic servers, but then again, blind faith = fanatism = denying logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starsong Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Niph said: Remeber that they said it is intended to have rates low, and we might assume it is because of RMT and botters. Ain't this idea a little bit off? Botters will always have more cash than an average player and some people will always do RMTs, the only difference is that on this server you're more inclined to fall into RMT due to scarcity. Seems like common sense that if you can afford gear by intense farm (and not drop luck), more people will be less willing to buy adena. If you know for sure that you earn a solid intake of cash at any level, for example 1hr of farm = decent amount of x and it takes y hours to get to a next tier weapon (drops being just a bonus), bots might as well sell 666kk for 0.5$, you wouldn't buy anyway, and people who buy would've bought anyway. Bots always existed in Lineage and so did drama, hence it will never be ok, right now it just seems worse overall for many Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlLanMandragoran Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 On 10.11.2018 г. at 6:34 PM, Devoid said: For the reference, here's the observed rates BEFORE @Hime claimed that they will be boosted more than twice:https://forums.lineage2.com/topic/7769-experiment-ct-drops/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-62208 Now, after some time has passed and I could gather some data, I present you: CT drop rates - AFTER 2018-11-07 maintenance. Porta (Observed kills: 4290) Comparison: https://l2wiki.com/classic/Porta Varnish (1): 441 drops = 10.280% Iron Ore (1): 423 drops = 9.860% Silver Nugget (1): 172 drops = 4.009% Steel (1): 38 drops = 0.886% Mithril Tunic Fabric (1): 35 drops = 0.816% Oriharukon Ore (1): 35 drops = 0.816% Mithril Scale Gaiter Material (1): 32 drops = 0.746% Brigandine Gaiter Material (1): 28 drops = 0.653% Brigandine Temper (1): 18 drops = 0.420% Scroll: Enchant Weapon (D-grade) (1): 0 drops Mithril Scale Gaiters: 0 drops Krator (Observed kills: 4590) Comparison: https://l2wiki.com/classic/Krator Steel Arrow (10-30): 779 drops = 16.972% Iron Ore (1): 430 drops = 9.368% Varnish (1): 423 drops = 9.216%Proof of Blood (1): 187 drops = 4.074% (Enough kills and drops to prove there was NO CHANGE in drop rate) Silver Nugget (1): 173 drops = 3.769% Steel (1): 46 drops = 1.002% Reinforced Mithril Glove Design: 34 drops = 0.741% Dwarven Chain Boot Fragment (1): 34 drops = 0.741% Plated Leather Boot Lining (1): 33 drops = 0.719% Chain Glove Design (1): 32 drops = 0.697% Karmian Glove Fabric (1): 28 drops = 0.610% Karmian Boot Fabric (1): 27 drops = 0.588% Oriharukon Ore (1): 26 drops = 0.566% Chain Boot Fragment (1): 21 drops = 0.458% Recipe: Karmian Stockings (1): 12 drops = 0.261% Dwarven Chain Boots: 3 drops = 0.065% Chain Boots: 2 drops = 0.044% Karmian Boots: 1 drop = 0.022% Reinforced Mithril Gloves: 1 drop = 0.022% Recipe: Dwarven War Hammer (1): 0 drops Ricenseo (Observed kills: 2114) Comparison: https://l2wiki.com/classic/Ricenseo Stem (1): 383 drops = 18.117% Varnish (1): 161 drops = 7.616% Suede (1): 118 drops = 5.582% Durable Braid (1): 59 drops = 2.791% Mithril Glove Design (1): 24 drops = 1.135% Assault Boot Fragment (1): 23 drops = 1.088% Ogre Power Gauntlet Fragment (1): 18 drops = 0.851% Sage's Worn Glove Lining (1): 18 drop = 0.851% Plate Boot Design (1): 16 drops = 0.757% Salamander Skin Boot Lining (1): 11 drops = 0.520% Recipe: Plated Leather Armor (1): 3 drops = 0.142% Recipe: Chain Gaiters (1): 3 drops = 0.142% Assault Boots: 1 drop = 0.047% Mithril Gloves: 1 drop = 0.047% Premo (Observed kills: 838) Comparison: https://l2wiki.com/classic/Premo Thread (1): 138 drops = 16.468% Animal Skin (1): 81 drops = 9.666% Suede (1): 47 drops = 5.609% Chain Shield Fragment (1): 16 drops = 1.909% Leather (1): 14 drops = 1.671% Eldarake Temper (1): 12 drops = 1.432% High-grade Suede (1): 8 drops = 0.955% Chain Hood Pattern (1): 8 drops = 0.955% Eldarake: 1 drop = 0.119% Mordeo (Observed kills: 659) Comparison: https://l2wiki.com/classic/Mordeo Thread (1): 123 drops = 18.665% Animal Skin (1): 62 drops = 9.408% Suede (1): 35 drops = 5.311% Leather (1): 12 drops = 1.821% High-grade Suede (1): 6 drops = 0.910% Recipe: Aquastone Necklace (1): 4 drops = 0.607% Glaive Edge (1): 1 drop = 0.152% Recipe: Crystallized Ice Bow (1): 0 drops Torfe (Observed kills: 304) Comparison: https://l2wiki.com/classic/Torfe Proof of Blood (1): 29 drops = 9.539% Thread (1): 22 drops = 7.237% Animal Skin (1): 20 drops = 6.579% Cursed Bone (1): 11 drops = 3.618% Suede (1): 10 drops = 3.289% Dwarven Chain Shield Fragment (1): 6 drops = 1.974% Great Helmet Material (1): 3 drops = 0.987% High-grade Suede (1): 1 drop = 0.329% Leather (1): 1 drop = 0.329% Validus (Observed kills: 277) Comparison: https://l2wiki.com/classic/Validus Stem (1): 43 drops = 15.523% Suede (1): 27 drops = 9.747% Varnish (1): 24 drops = 8.664% Cursed Bone (1): 20 drops = 7.220% Durable Braid (1): 10 drops = 3.610% Chain Mail Shirt Fragment (1): 3 drops = 1.083% Dark Elven Dagger Edge (1): 1 drop = 0.361% How did you count them o.o? as there is no ingame kill counter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairyTale Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 So if we assume drop rates are roughly 0.5x for some areas and even less for others, we get 0.75x at best with VIP4. So by paying 15$ monthly you still not getting proper drop rates like on payed versions (EU/RU). Also VIP4 doesn't affect adena/spoil rates. Is this intended @Juji? May we get a proper rates for VIP4 at least @Hime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgerking Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, FairyTale said: So if we assume drop rates are roughly 0.5x for some areas and even less for others, we get 0.75x at best with VIP4. So by paying 15$ monthly you still not getting proper drop rates like on payed versions (EU/RU). Also VIP4 doesn't affect adena/spoil rates. Is this intended @Juji? May we get a proper rates for VIP4 at least @Hime? nowhere near that numbers. more like 0.2x normal and 0.3x with vip spoil is 0.2x in general and AMOUNT never increases so spoil is like 0.03x to some mobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinuphyl Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 hours ago, burgerking said: nowhere near that numbers. more like 0.2x normal and 0.3x with vip spoil is 0.2x in general and AMOUNT never increases so spoil is like 0.03x to some mobs. 0.2? When a mob, which is decleared to spoil glove patterns by a chance of 87%, doesnt drop a SINGLE pattern after 180 mobs, how can it be even close to 0,2? Not to mention the amount of material spoils are missing. Spoiling between 2-10 Varnish at a chance of 89%. Spoil 1 every 20th mob here. Seems legit... Hardcore or not, ive got 20 times the Materials (Iron Ore, Varnish, Coal, etc) due farming from 1-20 as playing a spoiler beyond 20 for 5 houres. SAD ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgerking Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 33 minutes ago, Tinuphyl said: 0.2? When a mob, which is decleared to spoil glove patterns by a chance of 87%, doesnt drop a SINGLE pattern after 180 mobs, how can it be even close to 0,2? Not to mention the amount of material spoils are missing. Spoiling between 2-10 Varnish at a chance of 89%. Spoil 1 every 20th mob here. Seems legit... Hardcore or not, ive got 20 times the Materials (Iron Ore, Varnish, Coal, etc) due farming from 1-20 as playing a spoiler beyond 20 for 5 houres. SAD ! i know. Spoiler are worthless with this broken rates. AOE mage parties are 66+ laughing at melees because they spend 0 on consumables killing 50 x6 hp mobs with 30 spiritshots. and ncsoft dont seem to care at all................... balanced btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrock Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 A solo player here - I been farming the back room in FT for 4 days now (I'm lev32). Mobs: Dre Vanul Warrior and Watchman Of Water (The eye looking one). I have been here for 4 days. 3 levs!!! All I get from these two mobs are Animal Skin and Greater Antidote. Noting else. I don't care what anyone tells me. VIP and the server rate are all setup to make money for NCsoft and the Botters. You either bot or buy adena. You have no other option as a normal player. Or change class to a NUKER!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niph Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 On 11.11.2018 at 1:38 PM, Devoid said: I think he meant to say, that besides Steel and PoB, the current drop rates are roughly twice what was before 11-07 maintenance. And yeah, we are still nowhere close to the Innova/l2wiki rates that so many people believed this server will have. Not that there was any reason to believe it, given how other regions handled classic servers, but then again, blind faith = fanatism = denying logic. Yeah, thats exactly what I meant to say. Rates are twice higher compared to ones we had before, not compared to l2wiki. We are nowhere close to l2wiki, and prolly will never be, some places are far from 0.5 wiki rates - I know it really well, I play so called spoiler (not alt for money, I just like it). For example - Reinforced Stone Golem - https://screenshots.firefox.com/pfQuvQKHCx5IBjL2/l2wiki.com Good luck with getting more than one varnish from spoil On 11.11.2018 at 2:11 PM, Starsong said: Ain't this idea a little bit off? Botters will always have more cash than an average player and some people will always do RMTs, the only difference is that on this server you're more inclined to fall into RMT due to scarcity. Seems like common sense that if you can afford gear by intense farm (and not drop luck), more people will be less willing to buy adena. If you know for sure that you earn a solid intake of cash at any level, for example 1hr of farm = decent amount of x and it takes y hours to get to a next tier weapon (drops being just a bonus), bots might as well sell 666kk for 0.5$, you wouldn't buy anyway, and people who buy would've bought anyway. Bots always existed in Lineage and so did drama, hence it will never be ok, right now it just seems worse overall for many I do not really get it, how would it make sense, and how would decrease incomes in game also decrease RMT incomes, but well, I was just loudly wondering why do they do so. Not saying it's reasonable for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorraCaralho Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I honestly have no idea why they've decided to go with such low rates. They're not incentivizing us to go VIP. Paying $50 to go from 0.2 to 0.4 isn't a good deal at all. They're losing players. Newbies are leaving because they can't experience the fun stuff Lineage has to offer. Veterans are leaving because they signed up for 1x rates, not 0.2x. They're encouraging players to bot and RMT, as you can only be wealthy with such rates if you're playing 24/7 (botting or nolifing). I've farmed my two characters from 1 to 20 without doing the leveling quests (I wanted more Adena and couldn't be bothered fighting for quest mobs against hordes of bots). I've spent about a week doing so, and all I have to show for it is ~100k Adena and a handful of materials. I'll spend almost all of it on skill books, teleports, and soulshots. On L2 EU, I'd have about ~250k Adena, double the materials, and a few random pieces of equipment. Just enough money to fund both characters and have a hard, but fun experience. Me and my 4 friends already left in a week. We all had plans to build a clan, build a CP, PVP a lot and pay for VIP. We all gave up when we saw it would take us 5 times longer to build our characters than it took us 10 years ago (that, and the bloated PK counter/PK scrolls). We love Lineage 2 - and we were ready to commit and pay for a hardcore 1x experience - but we don't hate ourselves enough to endure these 0.2x rates. Why they haven't changed things yet, I don't know. --- TL,DR = These low rates are driving away players, discouraging VIP and encouraging botting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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