amberlynn91 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I just want to express that this new event is not fun. My husband and I both play this game and have invested more money than I care to admit or think about. As of today we both have now tried to enchant 1 circlet to radiant status. He has spent the equivilant of about $500 now just on buying 2 of the most expensive packs for enchanting and an additional pack of extra scrolls. I get that it is supposed to all be up to chance but I have seen several people now get radiant circlets and between the two of us we cant get 1 to above a +2 or +3 noble status. After not really getting our moneys worth out of the cloak event I don't know why we thought this would be any different. I'm sorry but all chance or not, if you have players who can and are willing to by your equivalent of a $200 circlet pack, mind you twice now, it should honestly increase your chance of being able to get at least a radiant circlet with no "+" bare minimum. At this rate, after my husband having me try on my account to see if my "chances" would be any better than his and it failing to go past +4 and majority of the attempts resulting in it going back to "0", you may have lost one of you most loyal customers. He has been playing this game for years on years, since it started, and this latest tomfoolery of an event has him upset enough in the direction L2 has taken that he may not be back this time after cooling down from being screwed out of at least $500 with not much to show for it. Definitely not $500 worth to show for it. These events are according to the support team all up to chance but it seems like our "chances" always result in us getting screwed even though we have been willing to spend a decent amount of money monthly. We can't seem to get a win even once for all the money we have thrown away to this game, and I say thrown away because for a "pay to win" its certainly not a fair "pay to win". We definitely feel robbed at this point. Edit: Removed inappropriate language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irlumir Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, amberlynn91 said: I just want to express that this new event is the latest in bull sh** fu**ery by NSoft. My husband and I both play this game and have invested more money than I care to admit or think about. As of today we both have now tried to enchant 1 circlet to radiant status. He has spent the about $500 now just on buying 2 of the most expensive packs for enchanting and extra scrolls. I get that it is supposed to all be up to chance but I have seen several people now get radiant circlets and between the two of us we cant get 1 to above a +2 or +3 noble status. After not really getting our moneys worth out of the cloak event I don't know why we thought this would be any different. I'm sorry but all chance or not, if you have players who can and are willing to by your equivalent of a $200 circlet pack, mind you twice now, it should honestly increase your chance of being able to get at least a radiant circlet with no "+" bare minimum. At this rate, after my husband having me try on my account to see if my "chances" would be any better than his and it failing to go past +4 and majority of the attempts resulting in it going back to "0", you may have lost one of you most loyal customers. He has been playing this game for years on years, since it started, and this latest money hungry fu**ery of an event has him upset enough in the direction L2 has taken that he may not be back this time after cooling down from being screwed out of at least $500 with not much to show for it. Definitely not $500 worth to show for it. These events are according to the support team all up to chance but it seems like our "chances" always result in us getting screwed even though we have been willing to spend a decent amount of money monthly. We can't seem to get a win even once for all the money we have thrown away to this game, and I say thrown away because for a "pay to win" its certainly not a fair "pay to win". We definitely feel robbed at this point. I severly think that all this kind of enchant are heavly related to luck and maphr shirt. so if dont have thouse items and have a good boost of luck dont waste time and money on game events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amberlynn91 Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 While yes that may be true, accordingly to one of the gms that respond to support tickets it is solely based around chance to be fair to all players. Either way that was also our reasoning for attempting again on my toon so see if some of those variants would make a difference. They did not. We still got screwed just as hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amberlynn91 Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 Mind you we also both used Maphersluck potions, banks, and stews to increase luck as well even tho we were told it was just based on chance. We had one pack of scrolls all but 2-3 completely fail to increase + even once. So again I stand by saying, if this is going to continue to become a severe play to win game, and you have players capable and willing to buy your high dollar packs there needs to be an increased chance of this packs actually putting out the rewards we are dishing the cash out for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quitted Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Well amber i feel it. 1st of all don't never ever try to oe while the event is on. I've tried to get a maphr shirt + 7 while the events were on with 200 bees and i ended up all the times with a + 0 shirt. I've tried it when the event was off and i've got 3 maphr shirts + 7 with 10 scrolls each. Since i don't believe in coincidences i've tried it on another ncwest server. Same result. Event on 0 +7 shirts event off 3 +7 shirts. Changing the enchant or compound rate it takes a nanosecond. All you need to do is to change a value in a line. In my country is called fraud. Got the same result with pearl 4. 450 pearl boxes event on 0 pearl lvl 4. Event off 20 pearl boxes 1 pearl lvl 4. 2nd Don't never ever consider what the other players are shouting in global. If you have spent 500 $ you have to consider that the top dogs use 1 grand for thei daily exspenses. And this is the best scenario. Worst scenario go to l2j and run your private server. You can get a greater pearl or a legendary cloack +20 within seconds and equip it so you can shout you've got forcing other ppl to buy what you've created using the admin command line. Now just make 1+1 Consider it as a gambing loss and don't never ever gamble again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amberlynn91 Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Quitted said: Well amber i feel it. 1st of all don't never ever try to oe while the event is on. I've tried to get a maphr shirt + 7 while the events were on with 200 bees and i ended up all the time with a + 0 shirt. I've tried it when the event was off and i've got 3 maphr shirts + 7 with 10 scrolls each. Since i don't believe in coincidence i've tried it on another ncwest server. Same result. Event on 0 +7 shirts event off 3 +7 shirts. Changing the enchant or compound rate it takes a nanosecond. All you need is to change a calue in a line. In my country is called fraud. Got the same result with pearl 4. 450 pearl boxes event on 0 pearl lvl 4. Event off 20 pearl boxes 1 pearl lvl 4. 2nd Don't never ever consider what the other players are shouting in global. If you have spent 500 $ you have to consider that the top dogs use 1 grand for thei daily exspense. And this is the best scenario. Worst scenario go to l2j and run you private server. You can get a greater pearl or a legendary cloack +20 witbin seconds and equip it so you xan shout you've got it so pther can buy what you've created using the admin command line. Now just make 1+1 Consider it as a gambing loss and do never ever fqmbke again. Wow, see that is insane. And just goes to confirm our feelings of being screwed. We know it's a gamble, and a loss at this point. I'm mainly sharing our feedback here for the development team at the suggestion of one of the gms. It's really just a shitty thing to screw your customers over so hard, especially when they are willing to shell out cash for these events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quitted Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 As a sidenote. Don't submit tickets. 1st you will be trated as nuts and they will give you the standard answer they've got. Amber you've got the same, exact, aswer that was given to starco. 2nd this is made on purpose so don't expect a refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amberlynn91 Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Quitted said: As a sidenote. Don't submit tickets. 1st you will be trated as nuts and they will give you the standard answer they've got. Amber you've got the same, exact, aswer that was given to starco. 2nd this is made on purpose so don't expect a refund. I never said I "expected" anything by posting this. My husband already spoke with a GM on how screwed this event is, he wasn't treated as nuts, and this was prior to spending another $200 to buy the top pack again and try once more. And while we were not 100% pleased with the answer we received, we did recieve an answer that was on topic and not 100% generic. Again as I already said, I'm mainly posting to share my feedback as suggest by one of the GMs for the development team to see. But thanks for your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draecke Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 need like 75+ LUC for any type of OE stuff and also be sure to check the items you try to oe as cloaks/circlets are N Grade aka +7 Maphr Shirt doesn't work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quitted Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I don't think it will work Draecke. To me the enchant rate is a big fake atm aka messed up on purpose. Since amber seems to me a good fellow although i don't know her i will give her a tip. If you want an item badly just use the l2store so you can't be scammed. Eg. Purchase a big pack sell the scrolls and the enchant stone then buy a noble +5 circlet and a radiant stone. Yesterday a radiant stone was traded for a + 5 noble circlet of grace. This way you may have the item you want even if the process is a bit slower but with no loss at all. Edit naia luck 72 dorf 100 scrolls noble +1, just to add another little "feedback" event on. I really think you should use the search button just to see if the answer given to your husband, but the world circlet, fits the 50 or more ones you may find on the old forums using the keyword "chance". Have a nice day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggie Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 4 hours ago, amberlynn91 said: I just want to express that this new event is the latest in bull sh** fu**ery by NSoft. My husband and I both play this game and have invested more money than I care to admit or think about. As of today we both have now tried to enchant 1 circlet to radiant status. He has spent the equivilant of about $500 now just on buying 2 of the most expensive packs for enchanting and an additional pack of extra scrolls. I get that it is supposed to all be up to chance but I have seen several people now get radiant circlets and between the two of us we cant get 1 to above a +2 or +3 noble status. After not really getting our moneys worth out of the cloak event I don't know why we thought this would be any different. I'm sorry but all chance or not, if you have players who can and are willing to by your equivalent of a $200 circlet pack, mind you twice now, it should honestly increase your chance of being able to get at least a radiant circlet with no "+" bare minimum. At this rate, after my husband having me try on my account to see if my "chances" would be any better than his and it failing to go past +4 and majority of the attempts resulting in it going back to "0", you may have lost one of you most loyal customers. He has been playing this game for years on years, since it started, and this latest money hungry fu**ery of an event has him upset enough in the direction L2 has taken that he may not be back this time after cooling down from being screwed out of at least $500 with not much to show for it. Definitely not $500 worth to show for it. These events are according to the support team all up to chance but it seems like our "chances" always result in us getting screwed even though we have been willing to spend a decent amount of money monthly. We can't seem to get a win even once for all the money we have thrown away to this game, and I say thrown away because for a "pay to win" its certainly not a fair "pay to win". We definitely feel robbed at this point. Nothing is going to change when people (like yourself) mindlessly enable NcSoft getting away with this stuff by dumping hundreds (and sometimes thousands) of dollars into crap events (ie. money grabs) like this. NcSoft isn’t the problem, you are. They are just taking advantage of a good situation. Can you honestly blame them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixa Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 You're part of the problem. Got served exactly what you deserve for ruining L2 and trying to cheat as many others do. All comes back to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quitted Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I don't understand how a player could ever ruin a game already ruined by the software corp. which owns it. You both are talking like circlets and bla bla can be dropped by lvl 105 mobs solo farmed in 2.3 secs or you kids begin to cry out in here because you solo farmed it in 2.4 secs. Nope. You are talking like amber decided to put this new p2w shi t in the game. Nope. I will laugh when on march there wrll be another p2w event worst than this one and i will laugh higher when there will be dragon weapon boxes and dragon shirts to know how mixa is supposed to drop a dragon shirt +10 that doesn't ruin the game. About ncsoft taking advantage of something y. To me now is all about if the rules (tables) were modified for an event yes or no to gain more yes or no. For the rest ask yourself why 99% of the l2 population all of them former ncwest customers went to play classic and they pay to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Desmeridius Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 8 hours ago, amberlynn91 said: I just want to express that this new event is the latest in bull sh** fu**ery by NSoft. My husband and I both play this game and have invested more money than I care to admit or think about. As of today we both have now tried to enchant 1 circlet to radiant status. He has spent the equivilant of about $500 now just on buying 2 of the most expensive packs for enchanting and an additional pack of extra scrolls. I get that it is supposed to all be up to chance but I have seen several people now get radiant circlets and between the two of us we cant get 1 to above a +2 or +3 noble status. After not really getting our moneys worth out of the cloak event I don't know why we thought this would be any different. I'm sorry but all chance or not, if you have players who can and are willing to by your equivalent of a $200 circlet pack, mind you twice now, it should honestly increase your chance of being able to get at least a radiant circlet with no "+" bare minimum. At this rate, after my husband having me try on my account to see if my "chances" would be any better than his and it failing to go past +4 and majority of the attempts resulting in it going back to "0", you may have lost one of you most loyal customers. He has been playing this game for years on years, since it started, and this latest money hungry fu**ery of an event has him upset enough in the direction L2 has taken that he may not be back this time after cooling down from being screwed out of at least $500 with not much to show for it. Definitely not $500 worth to show for it. These events are according to the support team all up to chance but it seems like our "chances" always result in us getting screwed even though we have been willing to spend a decent amount of money monthly. We can't seem to get a win even once for all the money we have thrown away to this game, and I say thrown away because for a "pay to win" its certainly not a fair "pay to win". We definitely feel robbed at this point. I stopped "playing" events well over a year ago. I donate, though I always cash in event items for adena and purchase the complete item I am after. It costs more but unless you have an good dwarf @ Luc 70+, and even better irl luck, it is not worth it to roll the dice. Due to the rapid increase in p2w events, I will be drawing back substantially again. Even pouring an insane amount of money, I cannot keep up with the top 10% anymore. Their financial model is just unsustainable, so-much-so that it defies logic. Though I consider all money I've donated a loss, I would hope that NCWest would at least keep the servers open for many years to come and not just flip the switch one day because they didn't meet their quota. They've destroyed the game and players base, but they really do owe it to the diehards who have stuck around and supported them, their jobs, and their company, even through their many mistakes. It's just sad really. Best of luck to you and your husband. I hope you can find solace in knowing you are not alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackl Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 NC is getting super greedy when it's more cost effective to give players currency instead of giving NCstore cash.The game is on a downward spiral as every facet of it revolves around removing ingame rewards, increasing the minimum amount of gear just to farm basic mobs, and incentivises NCstore Slot-Machine events with increasingly worsening rate of returns. The remaining players must be fleeced more as the userbase drops out from this vicious cycle of predatory events. Thats all. This game isn't long for this region. They don't even bother putting the work in like EU/RU/KR do. You have to ask yourself why are you dropping $500 dollars on a franchise that may not even exist in 2 years. If so do you realize it will literally come down to who wants to get a 2nd mortgage for the next inevitable Mega-NCstore purchase. For what? Getting Hero with 50 points? Taking a castle against 1 party? Logging 4-8 parties of your own alts just so you can have 1 party to kill bosses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackl Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 10 hours ago, Quitted said: 1st of all don't never ever try to oe while the event is on. Also this. A Casino is required by law to publish the odds on race/card game/bleeping lotto ticket. So when you drop $500 dollars you knew what your chances were to start with. You drop $500 on a videogame and no one has any idea what they're buying. NC could move a decimal point to get the Trustfund babies and Dubai Twins to drop couple more grand for the month. Everyone else flushes their money down the drain. TL:DR Support Gaming Legislation expanded to online games with purchasable random rewards in your region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassy Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 11 hours ago, amberlynn91 said: While yes that may be true, accordingly to one of the gms that respond to support tickets it is solely based around chance to be fair to all players. Either way that was also our reasoning for attempting again on my toon so see if some of those variants would make a difference. They did not. We still got screwed just as hard. This is their standard template answer for this type of tickets. Actually the guy who answered you has no idea what this is about- I am more than sure, if he was maybe he would say it is luc stat related. I don't really know cuz I didn't buy this crap. It looked like scam from the moment they introduced it. The people who actually succeed to make "easy" +5 circlets did this the first hours of the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yidao Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 ^ This The probabilities in Lineage 2 are dynamic. While there is no connection between how many tries somebody made aka how much money he or she spent (Neutron confirmed this with an elaborate test some months ago), there is a significant difference in success rates depending on when you open a Treasure Chest, make an enchantment attempt or whatever. We are talking here about dimensions like 1% on the first day of the event, 0.1% on the second and third day, and 0.00001% for the remaining duration of the event. You should be grateful to NCsoft for rigging the rates in this way. Otherwise the servers would be totally flooded with overpowered items which then had no value at all any more. Amber, your fundamental error is to assume that just because you paid money to the company you are entitled to receive a product. This is a widespread misconception. What you are purchasing are NCoins, and after currency conversion, sales tax etc. you will always get the same amount of NCoins, guaranteed. What you then do with your NCoins is not NCsoft's business. According to current legislation those NCoins and any in-game items have no value whatsoever. Simply put, by purchasing NCoins you are paying for the privilege of seeing your money going up in smoke, to enjoy the "because I can" feeling. If this is not what you had in mind, I strongly recommend that you and your husband find a different hobby. By the way, you might want to google the term "co-addiction". You are at the moment walking down a road that will end in misery and despair. Even though you might be living in a country that does not have a comprehensive health care system like for example Cuba or North Korea, there are always private organizations who can help you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quitted Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Well Yidao i understood long time ago that the chances to obtain an item in here were all about when you try to do what you have to do to get that item. Everyone can pm tevas and ask him when he managed to get the 1st +20 legendary cloack and if the cloack event was on or off when he managed to do that. It has to be said that the very first day there were 2 + 20 legendary cloacks in plain sight in chronos giran and i'm curious at this point to know who those 2 users really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wintra Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 @Yidao If you are buying "nothing" - you have the right to return it. Quote Under EU rules, a trader must repair, replace, reduce the price or give you a refund if goods you bought turn out to be faulty or do not look or work as advertised. If you bought a good or a service online or outside of a shop (by telephone, mail order, from a door-to-door salesperson), you also have the right to cancel and return your order within 14 days, for any reason and with no justification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixa Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, iBuff said: @Yidao If you are buying "nothing" - you have the right to return it. The Ncoins are considered service, but unfortunately are considered non-refundable by NCSoft. Yes you can ask your money back of course, but you lose the right to use that service and since the accounts are NCSoft's, they got the right to close your account for that reason or any reason and they will if you ask for refund (you'll get only for the last transaction or so}. So yes, this is a viable and easy way to end your uncontrollable addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yidao Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, iBuff said: @Yidao If you are buying "nothing" - you have the right to return it. What you must keep in mind is that NCWest Holdings Inc. is registered in Bellevue, a suburb of Seattle, Washington State, i.e. EU rules do not apply:http://global.ncsoft.com/global/aboutus/globalnetwork.aspx?category=role&role=02 NCsoft states clearly that enchanting a Circlet has a random success rate, and as long as they don't say that the success rate is a certain percentage, you have no grounds on which to say that they were cheating you. Back in 2012, in the case of the Elemental Shirts, there was actual fraud going on, with NCsoft knowingly selling a faulty product resp. the chance to get one, and the Community Manager with a considerable criminal energy deleting "detering" posts:http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=857&start=10#p12976 But they have learned from the fallout of that case - a player had reported them with the New York State District Attorney and there were major refunds - and now everything is just that one millimetre on the white side of the law. If you go to court, NCsoft will claim that by failing to enchant your Circlet the item did exactly what they claimed it did - failing to get enchanted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quitted Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I don't think an NCWest attorney will have a nice day. Lets put it this way. First of all scrolls and the like aren't sold by players, but by NCWest corp. Second all items do have a value in normal currency through the process called cashing out. Third on every national law if someone changes the rules (enchant rate) continously when the bid has alredy been placed is a fraud, then every country has its own law terms. The real problem is another. If you go to an USA court the ncwest attorney will say that his client does receive the files from korea as a package. Then you will have to hire a korean lawyer. When you will be in front of the korean court the NCSoft lawyer will say that the files have been manipulated by the ncwest. And so on untill you will give up. The only goal that an ncwest customer can reasonably obtain in the short term is the court order to close all the servers for further investigations. Then the court may order to publish the logs to see which one shouted wts radiant circlet +5 first. If it was a gm is a fraud aka they let the players believe that's possible to enchant an item to +5 while it was impossible. The court will punish the gm but the scam will go on, forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yidao Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 33 minutes ago, Quitted said: ... Second all items do have a value in normal currency through the process called cashing out. Third on every national law if someone changes the rules (enchant rate) continously when the bid has alredy been placed is a fraud, then every country has its own law terms. Buying and selling in-game items for real-life currency is expressly forbidden by the End-User License Agreement. If you claim that you used to get 500 dollars for your Valakas Necklace you wil get instantly banned. So from a legal point of view NCsoft is doing everything they can to make in-game items absolutely worthless The reason why NCsoft persistently refuses to publish the probabilities of event enchant rates is precisely that in this way they can't be nailed down. There are no defined enchant rates they could publish, and as long as they don't say something like "you will get a Noble Circlet with 10% probability", nobody can claim that they lied/cheated/committed fraud. Neutron might not have Hime's communication abilities, but he has learned from the fate of Cabel, Moxie etc. that you never ever lie. Insofar he is in fact a fairly good Producer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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