extase1987 Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 Hi @Hermes, I understand that a company has to make some income when the game is F2P. We have been complaining for years that the marketing & prices are too high for the player base. Now you are lovely and bring us a Greater Agathion Event, which is needed for the majority of the player base. Unfortunately, you did not listen again to the player base when it was complaining about your pricing. According to your math: 1 Greater Zodiac Agathion Book of Growth > 45 Keys 1 Dragon Treasure Chest > 5 Keys 1 Dragon Treasure Chest > 80 Ncoin 10 Dragon Treasure Chest > 720 Ncoin 90 Dragon Treasure Chests > 10 Greater Zodiac Agathion Book of Growth 9 x 720 Ncoin = 6480 Ncoin > +-10 Greater Zodiac Agathion Book of Growth For 50 Greater Zodiac Agathion Book of Growth: > +- 32400 NCoin > +- 350 euros Considering that you need nowadays 5 Greater Agathions, this would sum up to 1750 euros in a best case scenario! Best I saw was 50 Greater Zodiac Agathion Book of Growth to make from +0 to +5 in a very lucky streak, heard stories far worse than that without successes. I cannot imagine how much worse it becomes for the players once the fail rate algorithm start hitting people. Is there something you can do about the requirements of Keys for the Greater Zodiac Agathion Book of Growth? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthy Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 @Hermes can you take a look at this please. The prices of those event boxes doesn't reflect the actual market price. The main goal of the promos is to get items for cheaper... It's clearly not the case here. Those event boxes cost to much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyJohns Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 I am curious on the logic / rationale behind labeling something as a "sale" when the guaranteed items that come from the chests are 3x more expensive then what they are in the ncoin store? I thought the point of a sale was supposed to be a discount? To do the math.... 1 box (5 keys guaranteed) = 80 ncoin 30 keys required to make a mastery chapter 1 book = 6 boxes = 480 ncoin Currently in the ncoin store i can buy a mastery chapter 1 book for 160 ncoin Can someone help me understand how this is a sale? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyStrikz Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, TimmyJohns said: I am curious on the logic / rationale behind labeling something as a "sale" when the guaranteed items that come from the chests are 3x more expensive then what they are in the ncoin store? I thought the point of a sale was supposed to be a discount? To do the math.... 1 box (5 keys guaranteed) = 80 ncoin 30 keys required to make a mastery chapter 1 book = 6 boxes = 480 ncoin Currently in the ncoin store i can buy a mastery chapter 1 book for 160 ncoin Can someone help me understand how this is a sale? @Hermes, just looking for the logic in this. As @TimmyJohns stated. These Promos should be actually cheaper than the NCstore but it seems that someone isn't checking the actual NCstore various the promo prices. The L2community isn't the sounding board for NCWest mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slycutter Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Those prices are way out of hand 10 billion adena = 50 keys = 10 billion x2 = 100 for bleessed agathion book.i can buy them straight out right now for 10 billion. Please tell me this is a joke right? @HermesI been trying to be optimistic but this just way out of hand and greedy sorry. Maybe sign I need to stop paying anything towards this game for awhile. FYI going rate of adena is $1 = 1 billion if you need to figure out pricing better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellian Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Let's look at this as marketing person from ncsoft. You pay for box and you get extra 5 keys which is ncsoft value bonus on top of the box and that consist as ale I suppose but why exchange rates got dropped to 5% from 10% when event post came out will we be told about this change or just hopefully nobody will figure out and everything will be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyStrikz Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 I will elaborate more. @Hermes You do know its .50 cents per normal Giants Codex Mastery book in the L2 Store but its $1.26 from the dragon box promo. I mean you do realize that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAndouille Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 @Hermes @Arctic @EMpulse So people are here complaining about prices, and you guys Changed the 10% chance of crafting to 5% ? Nice troll really, the event being overpriced already and still ninja nerfing what was posted first. Sneaky that shows how greedy is ncwest right now. Sorry but with the 10% crafting it would have been "normal price" to get greater agathions and the rest. at 5% it makes everything worthles to try, u need 20 try at 5% Statistically to get 1 agathion (1600 keys) if they are at 100 mil each its 160B. Higher than market price on non event Sale. Wow. just Wow. 1 key for 1 normal agathion +0 (100-150 mil) ingame it cost 70 milion already from zodiac frags. What's the logic of nerfing the event more when ppl complaing its already expensive ? Looking for an answer of @Hermes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McByczek Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Simple recipe not to buy! The funny thing is that you cry in the forum and each of you will spend $ 2k. It does not suit me and does not buy it, as simple as building a flail. I play for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAndouille Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, McByczek said: Simple recipe not to buy! The funny thing is that you cry in the forum and each of you will spend $ 2k. It does not suit me and does not buy it, as simple as building a flail. I play for free. so because you dont spend we can't give suggestions? dude your logic is Toxic. do ur stuff in silence if u want to answer like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krok Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 As i mention on discord probably the extra crafts with dragon coins gonna be server sided so 10 crafts for grune stone etc on each time are like this we need to get a clarification about it. for all the server,maybe im mistaken. Nerfed rates as always 5% on 10 crafts is 0.2% to make something if you finaly hit 3 scatters join a bonus on l2 september bonanza and then it decides to pay you,personaly im free2play invest in a few events in the past i found good ways to improve my char,this time i have x10 battle pass done and ill upgrade 0 of em i dont have +15 cloak to use the augments and the profit of em doesnt worth to waste all this coins there. Back 2 back troll event from ncsoft with way too high prices vs what is happening around the world today.We are 3 or 4 months since @Hermes take over and events getting worse and worse,this time double casino with the bonus coins to gamble on 5% rates, i crafted 200 ruby lvl 1 in 2 trys to make myself a lvl 5 ruby somehow,160 fails on 200 crafts for lvl1 ruby,160 fails in a 60% craft rate and then and after 10 in row failed to be lvl 2 with 50% rates i know boost works after lvl 3 but really?From those 20 left i made a lvl 3 ruby and i cant compound for 8th try my lvl 4 to make it lvl 5,cause im not gonna pay 80e/$ to get in 2022 a lvl 5 ruby. Hermes we had some faith in you for the events to improve,maybe copy other servers soon enough to give us x2 angel ring,earring and fallen jewels boxes,when we open them on chest,than improving the box drop rates and enchant,craft rates for items we all need to do,but maybe you only care for what higher up ask you for.The Possitive and profit Balance Sheets every years Q. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opticalz Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Dude they dont care about us. Its like "bought or not, we dont care" But some of rich ppl will participate of this and will be all good The most worse event i have see sice 2005! I really hope the admin does something, because the game is dead and now I believe they really want to kill for good! @Hermes@Juji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opticalz Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 We need max replay in this topic! Do not just look! Replay too! Worse pay event? Yes But try anything for f2p... xp event, potion anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slycutter Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 I been trying to look at the brighter side of things on most events but there is none here no value and showing a complete disregard for people and money. Keys fail you only get 10% of them back come on now. Should be at least at 50% return with a 90 % failure rate that is seriously bad, I fail enchants that are 70% rate more than 30% of time; you want me to gamble on something that you say is 10% but we have no way really knowing if it is 10%. I been trying to get my weapon to 20 i have used 18 grand kains and failed going from 19 to 20 (still stuck at 19) its has a 10%? (i think been few weeks since i tried) So if 0 / 18 than is a lot less than a 10% crafting rate since luck has little to do with enchanting now. @Hermesas said before event's are suppose to bring the price of items in game down for people but this is just a open money grab everyone can see it even the whales don't want to touch this. WE NEED a real jewel event people need to a financially reasonably way to get greater jewels as we know the ingame game crafting for them is a complete bust if you don't believe us you take 2 hours of your work day log in a on a gm toon with unlimited mats and see how many crafts you need to make a level 5 ruby then tell us everything is working fine. @krokhas made a good point with the jewels this is something everyone should have at least regular 5 if not greater 1 at this point your missing the bus @Hermes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PugofCrydee Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 @Hermes also would you stop making it so you always need to buy a portion of an additional chest for items. The Mermaid event is an example, you needed 39 boxes for a Shiny Gem Energy, but the package only sold 10. This event you need 170 keys for a Holy Greater Zodiac book but the package only gives you 50. These are not isolated issues. The events are expensive and as community members have said many times overpriced, so this additional gouging is just another slap in the face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opticalz Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 I guess the silence of staff are like: lets give xp boost and they'll shutup HAHAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aelian Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 6 hours ago, krok said: ... Back 2 back troll event from ncsoft with way too high prices vs what is happening around the world today.We are 3 or 4 months since @Hermes take over and events getting worse and worse,this time double casino with the bonus coins to gamble on 5% rates, i crafted 200 ruby lvl 1 in 2 trys to make myself a lvl 5 ruby somehow,160 fails on 200 crafts for lvl1 ruby,160 fails in a 60% craft rate and then and after 10 in row failed to be lvl 2 with 50% rates i know boost works after lvl 3 but really?From those 20 left i made a lvl 3 ruby and i cant compound for 8th try my lvl 4 to make it lvl 5,cause im not gonna pay 80e/$ to get in 2022 a lvl 5 ruby. ... I have absolutely the same experience with crafting jewels. For something that should be a basic item, and with limit of ether per day, there is just no way for people to progress. And the ridiculous prices being offered during promotions is even a bigger joke and just outright insult to the player base. We should value our hard dollars more than spend it on insultingly overpriced pixels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixa Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 20 hours ago, extase1987 said: Hi @Hermes, I understand that a company has to make some income when the game is F2P. We have been complaining for years that the marketing & prices are too high for the player base. Now you are lovely and bring us a Greater Agathion Event, which is needed for the majority of the player base. Unfortunately, you did not listen again to the player base when it was complaining about your pricing. According to your math: 1 Greater Zodiac Agathion Book of Growth > 45 Keys 1 Dragon Treasure Chest > 5 Keys 1 Dragon Treasure Chest > 80 Ncoin 10 Dragon Treasure Chest > 720 Ncoin 90 Dragon Treasure Chests > 10 Greater Zodiac Agathion Book of Growth 9 x 720 Ncoin = 6480 Ncoin > +-10 Greater Zodiac Agathion Book of Growth For 50 Greater Zodiac Agathion Book of Growth: > +- 32400 NCoin > +- 350 euros Considering that you need nowadays 5 Greater Agathions, this would sum up to 1750 euros in a best case scenario! Best I saw was 50 Greater Zodiac Agathion Book of Growth to make from +0 to +5 in a very lucky streak, heard stories far worse than that without successes. I cannot imagine how much worse it becomes for the players once the fail rate algorithm start hitting people. Is there something you can do about the requirements of Keys for the Greater Zodiac Agathion Book of Growth? Excuse me, but this is complete nonsense… You must get +5 Greater agathion charms? You can’t go by with let’s say +3 ones? You need all 5 to be maxed out? If that’s the case, then the price is rather low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extase1987 Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 4 hours ago, mixa said: Excuse me, but this is complete nonsense… You must get +5 Greater agathion charms? You can’t go by with let’s say +3 ones? You need all 5 to be maxed out? If that’s the case, then the price is rather low. At the current state of the game. You need at least 2 or 3. That is still 1000€ at least. Then you need to fine tune them to +10. You need Leo, Cancer, Aries and Taurus at least to be +5. Even going only 1 at the time, costs a lot. Realistically, check before event how many people had +5 or higher, and make stats after event. To see if people were able to do it. If more than 80% of the server did it, I call it a good event. If less than 80%, means the odds or pricing is bad. I opened 100 boxes with Adena, made keys to try all my +3's, around 12-15 tries. The same Greater Agathion went from +3 down to +0 and the 12-15 items didn't help me to get back to +3. So I had to sell the useless stuff I got from bad box rewards for 200b approximately , in order to make it stay at +2. I call it a downgrade. 100 boxes, 100% wasted and downgraded an item. Call it normal? I don't. And this is what happens with too many people I have been speaking with. Other than straight up items from event, the enchanting rates via Pay events is really bad, even when boosting slightly the rates. Why? Cost of acquiring the items even through Pay event is just too high. In the end, yes it is overpriced in order to make items go Greater or +5. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrE Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 @Hermes nice job on having the items be limited for the server not per person. You know, with our JOBS and all, people arent able to log in until after work after everything was LONG GONE. Brillant. Overpriced event, catering to Euros again who are off work when the server comes up, so much for a North American Server I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McByczek Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Stop crying already, they won't change the policy anyway. They get paid for you, they are glad you are drug addicts L2. They dose you to make money, now they put the bonus on XP on Wednesday and they already have you. As simple as building a flail. At work, if you don't like something, you change jobs and you are bound to L2 forever, so you will always be used. I suggest making x2 prices because they are too cheap;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extase1987 Posted August 24, 2022 Author Share Posted August 24, 2022 @Hermes Did your team run the SQL query that checks how many people had Greater+5 before the event? What is the outcome of the event so far? How many people have downgraded their Greater Agathions? It would be interesting to see how many people these events actually are beneficial to see that your rates are totally bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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