Remove the Unlimited PK Scrolls

[Kysannia]

The changes that were made in the last update for Pk's was actually very well done. People turn red, it takes a long time to wash karma, it was awesome. And then some "genius" must have said "HEY! let's just completely wipe away ALL of this effort we just did, and make the Scroll:PK and the Scroll:Repuation, unlimited and spammable anywhere YAAAAAAY! 

We now have a bought Fistingtime account running around pking the entire server along with every person who thinks they are the server king, WHY? because they have an unlimited ability to spam scrolls. There isn't any punishment or recourse with the new system due to the the scrolls. 

@Wisp @Hermes This is something you can 100% fix without the need to "talk to the developers". Please make the PK scrolls have a max (like they did before) of 3 per day, and reimplement the need to be in floran (or wherever) to be able to use them. Is an easy fix, and it will actually make the GOOD changes you made to the PK system, work as intended... because as of now, its PK spree with no ramifications at all. 

[DelayNoMore]

This PK thing is fun.

I am loving it.

 

[fademist]

3 hours ago, Kysannia said:

The changes that were made in the last update for Pk's was actually very well done. People turn red, it takes a long time to wash karma, it was awesome. And then some "genius" must have said "HEY! let's just completely wipe away ALL of this effort we just did, and make the Scroll:PK and the Scroll:Repuation, unlimited and spammable anywhere YAAAAAAY! 

We now have a bought Fistingtime account running around pking the entire server along with every person who thinks they are the server king, WHY? because they have an unlimited ability to spam scrolls. There isn't any punishment or recourse with the new system due to the the scrolls. 

@Wisp @Hermes This is something you can 100% fix without the need to "talk to the developers". Please make the PK scrolls have a max (like they did before) of 3 per day, and reimplement the need to be in floran (or wherever) to be able to use them. Is an easy fix, and it will actually make the GOOD changes you made to the PK system, work as intended... because as of now, its PK spree with no ramifications at all. 

ofc they need to talk with dev if they to allow them to do that change lol

[iCherry]

Hello all,

Have no sense to exist Cursed Village if you never go there when you spam Pk scrolls from Clan Shop till you Pk ppl. This is totally messed up update i dont believe is originally like this! Why to create Cursed Village if you never go there when you spam Pk scrolls ? Are you messed up something in this update? @Hermes Check pls have no sense or any logic to be like this!

Thank you

[dmangus]

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dmangus

Dec 9, 2022, 07:56 PST

whats the purpose of the PK system if all it does is promote harassment which is against your own ULA? The current changes in pk system allows any one to PK at will over and over again. I am constantly being pked by the same people Manyeo, reas, ithiradk, and fistingtime, (being played by handsfree with account sharing ) .

The least that NCSoft could of done is continue to force pk/reputation scrolls to only be used in floren village, as the system goes, all they have to do is Pk once, then use a reputation scroll and pk scroll and instantly loose all consequences. Basically pking indefinitely.
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GM Treez (Lineage 2)

Dec 9, 2022, 14:16 PST

Hello,
 
Thank you for reporting this incident.
 
We understand that their behavior can be frustrating and we appreciate your patience as these investigations take time. After we investigate the matter, we will take appropriate action based on our findings.
 
However, please understand that privacy concerns prevent us from discussing our methods or the results of our findings.
 
Thank you for your time and understanding.
 
Regarding the possible bug on the PK Scrolls. I have forwarded this information to our Quality Assurance (QA) Team so that they can fully investigate the situation. If the issue is confirmed to be a bug, rest assured that there will be a fix implemented in a future update.
 
Please keep an eye on our Official Forums and Websites for up-to-date news and announcements:
 
Forums: https://forums.lineage2.com/
Website: http://www.lineage2.com/en/
 
Thank you for helping us make Lineage II a better place.
 
Regards,

GM Treez
NCSOFT Support Team
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dmangus

Dec 12, 2022, 17:01 PST

I think its terrible. Its just canned responses that is ment to just close out the concern without any action. Nothing said here is any different from any of my other tickets.
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GM Treez (Lineage 2)

Dec 13, 2022, 07:58 PST

Hello,
 
We understand your frustration regarding this situation. Please note that we are already in the process of investigating these accounts. No action has been taken yet as it can take a few days to gather the necessary evidence but rest assured that we are committed to removing any account breaking the rules from our game.
 
However, we are unable to disclose any information regarding our methods and investigations. Thank you for understanding.
 
Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.
 
Regards,

GM Treez
NCSOFT Support Team
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dmangus

Dec 13, 2022, 08:44 PST

There is no action to be taken on an individual. This is actually not the purpose of the ticket. The individual is only using what the game design allows. At this state, the game allows a user to consistently PK anyone without any consequences. The ask here is to at least implement the old restriction where PK or reputation scrolls can only be used in floren village, or once per day. This way people who decide to pk still have to decide if they want to deal with the new consequences of the cursed village.
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Senior GM Yehara (Lineage 2)

Dec 13, 2022, 09:54 PST

Hello,
 
Please note that Support is not part of the Development Process. I can only advise you to post your feedback and suggestion about the current PK system on our official forum at: https://forums.lineage2.com/forum/29-suggestion-box/. The forum is the best form of communication between the Development Team and the community. Your understanding is appreciated.
 
With those in mind, there is nothing more we can add. For any other concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us in a new ticket.
 
 
Regards,

Senior GM Yehara
NCSOFT Support Team

This was my conversation on the same topic. Its just another dead end to something that should be simple and common sense, if NCSoft west actually cared about this game.

[DKWarrior]

Agreed, the current system is ridiculous. Why have a "PK System" that promotes harassment? Was this the intent? Players are just PKing everyone and sitting there for 20-30 mins spamming the Clan PK and Rep point scrolls as they camp an xp party. This is nothing but the exploitation of a broken system. Fix the scrolls so they are not spammable and only useable from Floran or only once a day. 

[SkimMilk]

Agreed....  someone fkd up here....   Fix this

[Kosmetas]

Carebear this game more?  They have already made this PK system a joke with several "updates" over the years.  If you need a safe place for hugs stay in town or do instance based gaming.  This game cut it's teeth being hardcore! The years of crying has us now with a lifeless game of macro robots.  You really want to AFK grind your levels with no interruptions, not defending your spot or covering yourmate's six??  Where is the fun?  

[socketka]

I disagree. PK scrolls cost adena and reputation and you have 100% rez. just spam rez with bilion toons and eventually they run out of reputation.

[bentorero]

42 minutes ago, socketka said:

I disagree. PK scrolls cost adena and reputation and you have 100% rez. just spam rez with bilion toons and eventually they run out of reputation.

i see this is how u deal with the PKs

[gabby]

Let's also remember that the Rules of Conduct, set forth BY NC SOFT specifically state: 

1. While participating in Player-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay in the Services, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other users’ experiences in the Services by not actively participating in good faith (e.g., “griefing” or “leeching”).

That last little sentence there specifically states that Griefing is against the code of conduct. Pks are one thing, standing above a party and constantly pking them, or coming back every 5 minutes and pking without and recourse is against the code of conduct and the EULA. 

The entire point of the New PK system was to prevent players from constant griefing, not enhance it. 

 

[fademist]

1 minute ago, gabby said:

Let's also remember that the Rules of Conduct, set forth BY NC SOFT specifically state: 

1. While participating in Player-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay in the Services, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other users’ experiences in the Services by not actively participating in good faith (e.g., “griefing” or “leeching”).

That last little sentence there specifically states that Griefing is against the code of conduct. Pks are one thing, standing above a party and constantly pking them, or coming back every 5 minutes and pking without and recourse is against the code of conduct and the EULA. 

The entire point of the New PK system was to prevent players from constant griefing, not enhance it. 

 

just some systems that maybe work on Korea doesnt work here ....

[mixa]

2 hours ago, gabby said:

Let's also remember that the Rules of Conduct, set forth BY NC SOFT specifically state: 

1. While participating in Player-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay in the Services, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other users’ experiences in the Services by not actively participating in good faith (e.g., “griefing” or “leeching”).

That last little sentence there specifically states that Griefing is against the code of conduct. Pks are one thing, standing above a party and constantly pking them, or coming back every 5 minutes and pking without and recourse is against the code of conduct and the EULA. 

The entire point of the New PK system was to prevent players from constant griefing, not enhance it. 

 

 

2 hours ago, gabby said:

Let's also remember that the Rules of Conduct, set forth BY NC SOFT specifically state: 

1. While participating in Player-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay in the Services, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other users’ experiences in the Services by not actively participating in good faith (e.g., “griefing” or “leeching”).

That last little sentence there specifically states that Griefing is against the code of conduct. Pks are one thing, standing above a party and constantly pking them, or coming back every 5 minutes and pking without and recourse is against the code of conduct and the EULA. 

The entire point of the New PK system was to prevent players from constant griefing, not enhance it. 

 

Learn what grief is and then read rules of conduct. Also ask yourself why is there no mention of PK, Karma or anything of the sorts.

That's your clue, learn from it if you can.

[gabby]

Griefing is when you use game mechanics to restrict another person's ability to play the game, well beyond what is intended, in which the player has no way to counter or mitigate the mechanics. 

For the entirety of lineage 2, unlimited PK's with the ability to wash instantly has never been part of the game. The new PK city and "jail" they implemented would also HIGHLY suggest that it was not meant to be part of the game. So yes, what players are doing with unlimited PK's and is considered griefing. Players like Fisting time have already spent significant amounts of rep to buy the scrolls, knowing that its only a matter of time before they fix the issue. 

NC Soft west however seems to only check on the actual mechanics of the game in 2 instances, 1. They odds aren't in their favor to make the most money possible, or 2. Enough of us bring it up in forums and they "grace us with their presence"  

[gabby]

I'm really digging what A22H*() people are in forums. If I was NC Soft west I would LOVE this. People turn on each other just to be trolls and terrible to other people, all the while NC Soft sits backs and laughs while people tear other people down. It works the same way in discord... this is the l2 Playerbase, once upon a time it was actually not a horrible place to be .. now? Well... just read a few posts and watch everyone be so nice to one another....

[Znip]

1 hour ago, gabby said:

I'm really digging what A22H*() people are in forums. If I was NC Soft west I would LOVE this. People turn on each other just to be trolls and terrible to other people, all the while NC Soft sits backs and laughs while people tear other people down. It works the same way in discord... this is the l2 Playerbase, once upon a time it was actually not a horrible place to be .. now? Well... just read a few posts and watch everyone be so nice to one another....

"It's a NORTH AMERICAN SERVER, get over it, we celebrate Christmas, stop trying to ruin everyone else's enjoyment and being offended by everything cupcake. "

irony

[guti79_99]

I think NCSoft moved to the right direction with the PK system change, except they forgot one little big detail - unlimited pk scrolls.

It defeats the purpose of having the newly introduced "Cursed Village". What is the purpose of this place if there is a way to avoid going in there by using unlimited scrolls? I hope GMs bring this up, because it looks like an 'Oopps, we forgot this small detail" . By limiting the number of scrolls to be used per day will be a move on the right direction. Red players laugh at the new changes, and they don't care. 
@Hermes

 

[Congliostron]

at least you should increase the price by 100x

[gabby]

Ok Cool, so if this is "Working as intended" Then nothing is stopping ALL of use from PKing. So... server, you have seen after 2+ weeks That NC Soft West has no intention of even replying to this thread. So  Let the constant non stop pking begin! Let's make sure in NC Softs, set it and forget it game, during the "lets get people to log on event", that we collectively  go out and pk everyone on the server all the time no stop. It is after all, working as intended. 

[Seshorama]

2 hours ago, gabby said:

Ok Cool, so if this is "Working as intended" Then nothing is stopping ALL of use from PKing. So... server, you have seen after 2+ weeks That NC Soft West has no intention of even replying to this thread. So  Let the constant non stop pking begin! Let's make sure in NC Softs, set it and forget it game, during the "lets get people to log on event", that we collectively  go out and pk everyone on the server all the time no stop. It is after all, working as intended. 

pretty sure their whole purpose is to make money, and thats what they are doing with the adena sink mechanics of the new pk system

welcome to reality

too bad they dont bring back old school item drop mechanics....then you really being crying harder than you are now

[Kysannia]

On 12/15/2022 at 1:20 PM, Kosmetas said:

Carebear this game more?  They have already made this PK system a joke with several "updates" over the years.  If you need a safe place for hugs stay in town or do instance based gaming.  This game cut it's teeth being hardcore! The years of crying has us now with a lifeless game of macro robots.  You really want to AFK grind your levels with no interruptions, not defending your spot or covering yourmate's six??  Where is the fun?  

If it's hardcore then bring back dropping items when you're red. THATS hard core. Giving people scrolls so they can PK without any ramifications is about as carebear as it gets. 

[zozo]

23 minutes ago, Kysannia said:

If it's hardcore then bring back dropping items when you're red. THATS hard core. Giving people scrolls so they can PK without any ramifications is about as carebear as it gets. 

dropping item that cost thousands of dollars is not Realistic.  In Old L2 where everything was farmed ingame (no store) it was possible, but ppl tend to abuse that kind of things due to greedyness and no SelfRespect

[Slycutter]

Zozo lol things still cost thousands of dollars back then too lol  Nothing has changed honestly the cost of top items was still a lot of IRL cash 500 million then is like 500 billion now give or take.

[Ishmila]

Why is NCsoft allowing an Exploit to be used and do nothing? 
@Wisp @Hermes

[SammlerMull]

4 hours ago, Ishmila said:

Why is NCsoft allowing an Exploit to be used and do nothing? 
@Wisp @Hermes

NCwest will eventually decide IF this is a BUG... if/when they decide it is a BUG, then when a player uses it after it has been labeled a BUG... Only then is it technically an exploit(an exploit is overuse of a BUG to gain advantage... IF a PK has no rep. they can't buy any scrolls, if they want to keep PKing they need to get Rep somewhere)