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Lawman    146

Please answer, NCSoft reps.  What are your long-term (3-5 years at least) plans for Lineage 2?  The forums are all doom and gloom, one person even predicting the end by the end of this year.  You continue to contract the game, merging server after server.  NCSoft reps have said nothing at all to reassure people the game will even be here a year from now, never mind discuss their longer term plans for the game.  It would reassure everyone and, perhaps, keep people playing (and spending money) longer, if you will share your plans for the game.  Please do.  Thanks.

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BmD    9
3 hours ago, Lawman said:

one person even predicting the end by the end of this year

Dude wake up and google for rochard.

By the time Yidao posted about the no more than x per event thing well only a toxic weird cut kid, and we all know who we're talking about, because he has already been banned from every possible videogame on earth at least twice, doesn't know that.

Mixa, as always, is too optimistic.

Enjoy the game for free untill it lasts.

 

@mixa that means we will try Hello Kitty for free?

 

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beleaua    66
22 hours ago, DjangoUnchained said:

really?.... :))))

It's true. In fact since I started L2 I saw more than the old Lineage being closed. Remember Dungeon Runners, Auto Assault, Exteel, City of Heroes, MXM, or even Tabula Rasa. Some of them have been part of the old launcher, when we had every game listed on the left side menu. I don't see L2 being closed soon. Wildstar is in worse shape than any other game and Aion had merged servers down to the last two last year.

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Yidao    139

To be more precise, the end has been approaching since November 2004:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=833847

What should be mentioned in this context is that Jesse Taylor, formerly Senior Vice President, Mobile, has been removed from the Executive Team at NCWest:
https://us.ncsoft.com/en/about-us/#section-executive-team

I guess this means that they have pulled the plug on the Iron Tiger Mobile Studio in San Mateo. In other words much less need for money on that front. On the other hand there is the Blade & Soul 2 disaster and the many other projects whose development must be cross-financed by us (Lineage 2 Mobile, Project TL ...). As you can see from the upcoming Freya event, a pure and unadulterated milking-through-gambling operation, they do try to stay afloat in the current crisis. And as practical experience has shown, a handful of whales can carry a video game company a long way:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/8fb7zq/some_thoughts_from_a_dev_who_worked_with_a_mobile/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/8fb7zq/some_thoughts_from_a_dev_who_worked_with_a_mobile/dy2sdcs/

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MaxSlave    13
On 8/6/2018 at 12:19 AM, mixa said:

This is what's coming in the next 12 months or so.

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LOL on drugs mixa? at least/minimum 2-3 years more... now merge naia + freya can give some life for months/year and still the last merge naia/freya + chronos who will be at least 2 years more of game... maybe even 3-4 more years of L2 NA servers, but if  u are not happy here better move to other game :ph34r:

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cmquake    12
On 6/8/2018 at 6:19 AM, mixa said:

This is what's coming in the next 12 months or so.

With respect, you among other, shall we say "celebrity" posters, failed to predict 2017 in 2016. How can we believe your prediction for 2019 in 2018 :)? On the other hand, everything Juji predicted did come true, although the PTS thing didn't really work out.

Although you are right about the current state of the game, I admit when this game finally shuts down I will no doubt feel like a small part of me will have died with it but until then and knowing that it will these doomsday predictions don't really add any merit.

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Lawman    146

Thanks for all your predictions.  Notice who is strikingly absent from this discussion.  Guess NCSoft cares so little about their customers that they won't bother to share their long term planes with us.  Come on, NCSoft, step up to the plate and tell us what we can expect!

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Yidao    139

First of all let me say that you have chosen a correct wording - the fate of Lineage 2 is not decided in Aliso Viejo aka NCWest, but in Seoul aka NCsoft.

What I can tell you here as somebody who follows the news from Korea is that the developers are working their way up to Water Dragon Fafurion. This is what is live in Korea at the moment:

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http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=2123#p37864

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http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=2123&start=40#p38033


Generally speaking, there are two forces at work here:

- The National Pension Service, which holds 11.9% of the NCsoft shares, wants the company to wind down the PC-based games, concentrate on mobile games as well as remove Kim Taek-jin and his clan from office.

- Kim Taek-jin and his clan, on the other hand, want to stay in office (he himself is CEO, his wife is Territory Manager for NCWest, his brother is Vice President) and know fully well that the new projects (Lineage 2 Mobile, Lineage 2 Arena etc.) are all nothing without the original games providing players. There are countless video games on the market - adding another one without the "historical background" of the traditional NCsoft games will lead to failure. Just look what happened to MxM.

We are now basically in the same situation as three years ago:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=407&start=1450#p30901
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=407&start=2150#p38151

Back then Nexon saved our beloved leader's backside. Now Nexon is gone and nobody knows what will happen in the next few weeks. Conguero wisely refrains from answering your question because it simply can not be answered. There are no long-term plans. NCsoft's plans change every three months. Just copy/paste 분기 ("fiscal quarter") in the search line at the bottom of this page:
http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?site=lineage2
Then you can follow those constantly changing plans here:
http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?sw=분기&site=lineage2&searchwhere=subjectcategory

If you want it in English, you can google "Korea Times NCsoft" in the middle of each February, May, August and November. That's when those plans are published. Or simply keep an eye on Rochand:
http://boards.rochand.com/index.php

:)

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Lawman    146

Thanks, Yidao for both the news and the links.  Unfortunately, I'm English only, but the Rochand site is well worth bookmarking.  You may be right about why they haven't answered, but sometimes I get the feeling they just don't care.  Slightly off topic, but does anyone have any idea when we'll get the next update and what it will contain?

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Yidao    139

While for Conguero this is clearly just a job - he doesn't even play the game - I have the impression that Neutron does actually care. He has been working for the Lineage 2 QA Department at NCWest (formerly NCNA) since half an eternity - you might remember him under the name "Sparse" - and has an Iss Hierophant on Chronos. When the game gets shut down, the time and effort he put into leveling up that character goes down the drain just like everybody else's :P


About the content of the new update we know that the cut-off point is February 21st, 2018:
https://eu.4gameforum.com/threads/656429/
This means that in theory everything you see in this forum section should be contained:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewforum.php?f=56
The practical problem with this is the Angel's Jewelry dropped by the newly upgraded bosses. Like for example the Angel's Necklace dropped by the lvl 106 Epic Freya is simply an R-Grade Necklace with 202 M.Def. If you want Boss Jewelry effects (Stun/Paralyze/Bleed Resistance etc.) you must upgrade the thing. And for an Angel's Accessory Enchantment Scroll you must pay in Shilenite, a mineral you get by dissolving old Boss Jewelry. I have described the process in detail here:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2074&start=60#p37418

Unfortunately the Refining System, in Korea the only way to obtain Shilenite, has been cut out of the export version in a previous update. One solution would be to put it back in with the upcoming update. Or the Angel's Jewelry is removed from the drop list of the newly upgraded bosses, either without replacement or making them drop the old Orfen Earring, Freya Necklace etc. Or NCWest sells either Shilenite or Angel's Accessory Enchantment Scrolls in the L2Store:
https://forums.lineage2.com/topic/1820-epic-raidsorfenqueen-ants/?tab=comments#comment-14248

You guess is as good as mine :)


As far as the "when" of the new update is concerned, we know from DIL, Neutron's counterpart at Innova, that Russia has already finished translating the text files, but has not been sent the actual game files yet:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2051&start=140#p38121

NCWest is traditionally slower in these preparatory tasks. They have outsourced the translations to a subcontractor, which leads to more misunderstandings, sending back and forth of files etc. Conguero said that the next update will be released in the middle of this summer:
https://forums.lineage2.com/topic/1442-roadmap-2018/?tab=comments#comment-10909

I personally would say that it will be more like late summer/autumn xD

 

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thx for informations Yidao, ur kind as always, and thx also you are still here with us in a half dead game  :D 

we still have the pleasure to play, to farm and hope to pvp also, and prolly all we expect a great final battle when all servers will be merged in one  :) 

till then, only guerilla fights and warrior chat strategies. 

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KeepthePeace    11

how the fuk havent they offered this guy a job yet? for the past 12 years ive watched this guy drop more knowledge on translations and updates, more then any member of staff or player..... i dunno what u do for a living and how much you make, but i find it hard to believe they couldnt pay u enough to quit ur job and work for Ncwest.  I have said it before but im pretty baked atm, but u sir are a tribute to the l2 community. 

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Alcione    40
On 11/6/2018 at 5:49 AM, Yidao said:

While for Conguero this is clearly just a job - he doesn't even play the game - I have the impression that Neutron does actually care. He has been working for the Lineage 2 QA Department at NCWest (formerly NCNA) since half an eternity - you might remember him under the name "Sparse" - and has an Iss Hierophant on Chronos. When the game gets shut down, the time and effort he put into leveling up that character goes down the drain just like everybody else's :P


About the content of the new update we know that the cut-off point is February 21st, 2018:
https://eu.4gameforum.com/threads/656429/
This means that in theory everything you see in this forum section should be contained:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewforum.php?f=56
The practical problem with this is the Angel's Jewelry dropped by the newly upgraded bosses. Like for example the Angel's Necklace dropped by the lvl 106 Epic Freya is simply an R-Grade Necklace with 202 M.Def. If you want Boss Jewelry effects (Stun/Paralyze/Bleed Resistance etc.) you must upgrade the thing. And for an Angel's Accessory Enchantment Scroll you must pay in Shilenite, a mineral you get by dissolving old Boss Jewelry. I have described the process in detail here:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2074&start=60#p37418

Unfortunately the Refining System, in Korea the only way to obtain Shilenite, has been cut out of the export version in a previous update. One solution would be to put it back in with the upcoming update. Or the Angel's Jewelry is removed from the drop list of the newly upgraded bosses, either without replacement or making them drop the old Orfen Earring, Freya Necklace etc. Or NCWest sells either Shilenite or Angel's Accessory Enchantment Scrolls in the L2Store:
https://forums.lineage2.com/topic/1820-epic-raidsorfenqueen-ants/?tab=comments#comment-14248

You guess is as good as mine :)


As far as the "when" of the new update is concerned, we know from DIL, Neutron's counterpart at Innova, that Russia has already finished translating the text files, but has not been sent the actual game files yet:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2051&start=140#p38121

NCWest is traditionally slower in these preparatory tasks. They have outsourced the translations to a subcontractor, which leads to more misunderstandings, sending back and forth of files etc. Conguero said that the next update will be released in the middle of this summer:
https://forums.lineage2.com/topic/1442-roadmap-2018/?tab=comments#comment-10909

I personally would say that it will be more like late summer/autumn xD

 

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Juuzou    12

Reading every single post of Yidao for the last 2/3 years has been astonishing. The time and effort and dedication that this guy puts in this game information is just to hearthwarming and is now a perfect example of how the Lineage 2 community should be seen as.

@Yidao Love your work and all the things that you share with us. Doin' it easy for us. You're the real MVP <3 

 

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Yidao    139
On 11.6.2018 at 5:49 AM, Yidao said:

... The practical problem with this is the Angel's Jewelry dropped by the newly upgraded bosses. Like for example the Angel's Necklace dropped by the lvl 106 Epic Freya is simply an R-Grade Necklace with 202 M.Def. If you want Boss Jewelry effects (Stun/Paralyze/Bleed Resistance etc.) you must upgrade the thing. And for an Angel's Accessory Enchantment Scroll you must pay in Shilenite, a mineral you get by dissolving old Boss Jewelry. I have described the process in detail here:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2074&start=60#p37418

Unfortunately the Refining System, in Korea the only way to obtain Shilenite, has been cut out of the export version in a previous update. One solution would be to put it back in with the upcoming update. Or the Angel's Jewelry is removed from the drop list of the newly upgraded bosses, either without replacement or making them drop the old Orfen Earring, Freya Necklace etc. Or NCWest sells either Shilenite or Angel's Accessory Enchantment Scrolls in the L2Store:
https://forums.lineage2.com/topic/1820-epic-raidsorfenqueen-ants/?tab=comments#comment-14248

Your guess is as good as mine :)

DIL just posted the solution on Rochand - the developers replaced Shilenite with 7 Scrolls: Enchant Armor (R-grade) + 1 Elcyum. These materials will be required to obtain 7 Scrolls: Enchant Angel's Accessory:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=407&start=2160#p38163

And thanks for the praise everybody :)

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Oeste    57
On 14/6/2018 at 5:03 AM, Yidao said:

DIL just posted the solution on Rochand - the developers replaced Shilenite with 7 Scrolls: Enchant Armor (R-grade) + 1 Elcyum. These materials will be required to obtain 7 Scrolls: Enchant Angel's Accessory:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=407&start=2160#p38163

And thanks for the praise everybody :)

Yidao for NCWest's president! 

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Draecke    285

imo Rohirrim who created Rochand also deserves some credit for keeping the forum (server) alive, it's nice to have a place to discuss L2 in free form by real fans & supportive players

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Yidao    139

Actually in this case Rohirrim deserves all the credit. He set up the forum - which has no advertisements, doesn't generate any revenue and is all paid for by him out of his own pocket - in a way that there are no IP blocks of territories, no multi-step email confirmations and no need to be logged in if you just want to read or use the search function. This makes it very easy for people like DIL or Aram to just jump in if they see something interesting and make a quick post to clear up stuff.

Consider: DIL is from Russia. If he wanted to directly participate in the discussion here on this forum, he would have to create an account via a VPN service to circumvent the CIS block at NCWest. He is a busy man; why would he go to those lengths? At Rochand he just has to log in with his name and password, like we could here in the old days before all that email verification stuff was introduced. When you click on the link above, you can see that he was reacting to a post by Draecke, who had raised a valid point. DIL recognized the seriousness of the matter - you don't want players to invest in old Boss Jewelry in the hope of crafting Shilenite when Shilenite doesn't come into it at all - made a short post, and all is good.

I am just the messenger here :P

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