NightmareMode Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Okay, i'll put it this way : just made epics, RESULTS: epic tauti: 1 bear, 1 app stone weppon epic istina: 1 bewr, 2 app stones( shield and weppon) ekimus: 1 bear, 1 rune, 1 app stone weppon Epic Octavis: 1 bear, trace of decaying darkness, 1 weppon app NOTE: lvl 100 char, prestige pack 100% drop rate rune, 200% drop rate rune 1hour REALLY NCWEST? What's the point in subscribing and buying drop rate runes? we didnt even cut the investment. P.S we've also made Balok/Octavis/tauti, they drop the same, only craps, this change was ninja implemented 2 weeks ago, results are consistent. Same Setup as above. tauti: 1 bear, 1 wep app octavis: seraph sheos cp, 1 bear balok: discipline, 1 rune, 1 bear, 1 app .... srsly now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneWingedAngle Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Well, Probably it has the same rule like in event drop rate. Chance of drop is based on whole server item amount. Look, at AH/Town Markets. (as well a lot of ppl has boxes with full wh with gear) We have more items, than players. so drop rate is reduced to not make inflation with items. This maybe isn't bad solution.... but L2 Store promotions produce soo much items, so items balance is broken. A lot of people who invest in L2 Store promo thousends "crap" items, so now even this "crap" don't drop, bacause from mathematical system server has enough those items to fulfil playerbase needs. Sad is, that items in spenders WH's decreasing item drop on fields PS. It is only theory, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Propet Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 more player cause of merge, try do epics other time and if you have a othell on pt do poison when its die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imAlive Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 if u all do right... drop rate... epic tauti - serapth 42%, ring 5%, fragment 42%, serapth weapon pack 11%, seraph armor pack 51%, alchemy tome 21% normal tauti - 42, 3, 21, 3, 51, 21 some item with this setup have 100% rate no point to calculate other instances and bosses, all numbers average and approximate PS drop didnt change, seems u have nice day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 hours ago, NightmareMode said: Okay, i'll put it this way : just made epics, RESULTS: epic tauti: 1 bear, 1 app stone weppon epic istina: 1 bewr, 2 app stones( shield and weppon) ekimus: 1 bear, 1 rune, 1 app stone weppon Epic Octavis: 1 bear, trace of decaying darkness, 1 weppon app NOTE: lvl 100 char, prestige pack 100% drop rate rune, 200% drop rate rune 1hour REALLY NCWEST? What's the point in subscribing and buying drop rate runes? we didnt even cut the investment. P.S we've also made Balok/Octavis/tauti, they drop the same, only craps, this change was ninja implemented 2 weeks ago, results are consistent. Same Setup as above. tauti: 1 bear, 1 wep app octavis: seraph sheos cp, 1 bear balok: discipline, 1 rune, 1 bear, 1 app .... srsly now? while these drops do seems lower than they should be, it is only 1 round so isn't definite proof that they have been lowered and your group make up makes a huge difference. I have a few questions, and the correct answers to them might not be what you think they are. 1. you mentioned the level 100, but were there others of higher or lower levels (specifically 102 or higher) in your group? if so how was the group managed? 2. did every1 have the drop runes or just your one toon? 3. You need a command channel to port into these instances, so how do you manage that command channel? If you need some pointers let me know. In our time of doing epic instances we farmed 5 or 6 tauti rings and countless other items, but you have to know how to do it efficiently if you dont want to waste time and money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentorero Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 hours ago, NightmareMode said: Okay, i'll put it this way : just made epics, RESULTS: epic tauti: 1 bear, 1 app stone weppon epic istina: 1 bewr, 2 app stones( shield and weppon) ekimus: 1 bear, 1 rune, 1 app stone weppon Epic Octavis: 1 bear, trace of decaying darkness, 1 weppon app NOTE: lvl 100 char, prestige pack 100% drop rate rune, 200% drop rate rune 1hour REALLY NCWEST? What's the point in subscribing and buying drop rate runes? we didnt even cut the investment. P.S we've also made Balok/Octavis/tauti, they drop the same, only craps, this change was ninja implemented 2 weeks ago, results are consistent. Same Setup as above. tauti: 1 bear, 1 wep app octavis: seraph sheos cp, 1 bear balok: discipline, 1 rune, 1 bear, 1 app .... srsly now? may i know wat are u usually getting before this alleged nerf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, bentorero said: may i know wat are u usually getting before this alleged nerf? if done properly, it is very rare to kill all that and not get any jewelry, althought its usually only istina or octavis. even more rare to get no crafting packs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmareMode Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 Guys, there's defenetly a huge Drop rate nerf since 2 weeks, we'r doing these for a very long time alrdy, same method. We'r doing it with same group. There's defenetly a huge nerf in drops, the drops are like these since 2 weeks. And back to topic, what's the point in buying prestige pack and drop rate rune's? ( the cc is made out of boxes, obiously broke and exit instance after entering, only 1 char at the end prestige + drop rate rune 1 hour 200%. The drops were normal before 2 week's update.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmareMode Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 hours ago, bentorero said: may i know wat are u usually getting before this alleged nerf? Before update we usually got stuff like: shirts, eternal CP's, Tauti fragments, seraph full item, soemtimes weppon cp/ ring/ belt / jewels etc something .. besides bear and app u know .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmareMode Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Pope said: if done properly, it is very rare to kill all that and not get any jewelry, althought its usually only istina or octavis. even more rare to get no crafting packs. exactly my point my friend. It used to be like that, now u get the app's besides the 1 bear drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmareMode Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 6 hours ago, imAlive said: if u all do right... drop rate... epic tauti - serapth 42%, ring 5%, fragment 42%, serapth weapon pack 11%, seraph armor pack 51%, alchemy tome 21% normal tauti - 42, 3, 21, 3, 51, 21 some item with this setup have 100% rate no point to calculate other instances and bosses, all numbers average and approximate PS drop didnt change, seems u have nice day not anymore, drops have been reduced to what'i've posted since 2 weeks. We made 3 rounds of epics since that update, that's why i'm saying we've got consistent results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassy Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 7 hours ago, OneWingedAngle said: Well, Probably it has the same rule like in event drop rate. Chance of drop is based on whole server item amount. Look, at AH/Town Markets. (as well a lot of ppl has boxes with full wh with gear) We have more items, than players. so drop rate is reduced to not make inflation with items. This maybe isn't bad solution.... but L2 Store promotions produce soo much items, so items balance is broken. A lot of people who invest in L2 Store promo thousends "crap" items, so now even this "crap" don't drop, bacause from mathematical system server has enough those items to fulfil playerbase needs. Sad is, that items in spenders WH's decreasing item drop on fields PS. It is only theory, Maybe you are right but still sucks if you invest and use special drop rune... And then how the players will get adena on the server if the drop rate is nerfed because of the merge and getting too much items adena in someone's WH.. you have too much items- but you can't sell it because ppl who count on instances drop can no longer count on this income. So again.. normal players who do not donate on events are screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmareMode Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 They are very clear about it it seems, just not face mask off. Pay to play, cus actually if u have no drops, u cannot play cus'u cannot gear up ... forcing people more and more to buy from store. May be affective on short term, but on long term, well .. we alrdy see consequences .. 2 servers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmareMode Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 so .... let's ease theyr tasks.Since they alrdy nerfed to a impossible point all the instances that were dropping two week's ago, Dear NCWest Staff, i've found several other ways of making adena witch they seem to me "extremly lucrative": olympiad, should only be for fun, no rewards( removing 2 nd, 3rd winners, cloacks etc was not enough, u can get masteryes and books now, kinda of "lucrative") Merchant Farming should be only for fun, and for those who have payed enough on store to deserve it. Did u know that with a presige pack u get 20 kk per kill? OMG, "Extremly lucrative" Trading i find trading between players "extremly lucrative", to many people are speculating the market and doing adena, alot of it, u should create more imba powerfull items bound to chars! and reserve the right to move them on another chars only for heavy spenders, cus they are the only worthy ones! Raid bosses i Find raid boss Drops to "extremly lucrative" ( oh w8, they are only farmed by few chosen ones on fixed 5 seconds after respawn)! Great idea would be to make them imune to the rest of the population! Power lvl-ing i find this "extremly lucrative", since a player who alrdy benefited by all those bugged monsters that used to drop unwordly ammounts of items!!! is now further more obtaining adena! they should be Taxed somehow! Guys, please help this awesome game to be fair again, let it be l2store only! as it should be! If u found any other ways of making adena, please report them here! Thank you dear NCwest for the awesome job, keep it on! Items obtained in game are over rated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixa Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I see no difference whatsoever, the op is delusional or just has a very bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUdot Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Wake up, in Lineage 2 since start you need to fight for good spots. In Lineage 2 2018 you need to invest $ in OP class(archer/evi) to be able to fight for spots against another $ spenders/nolifers. Even for pwlvl you need to fight vs other pwlvl sellers For low players/carebears they made instances where you can farm w/o fear of being killed untill you will get enough adena to join "big war". I think you can sell only quests on your summoner(10k HB/GC/EV) and collect adena for reroll to evi/acrher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quitted Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, dUdot said: Wake up, in Lineage 2 since start you need to fight for good spots. In Lineage 2 2018 you need to invest $ in OP class(archer/evi) to be able to fight for spots against another $ spenders/nolifers. Even for pwlvl you need to fight vs other pwlvl sellers For low players/carebears they made instances where you can farm w/o fear of being killed untill (your daddy will give to you enough $ to buy) enough adena to join "big war". I think you can sell only quests on your summoner(10k HB/GC/EV) and collect adena for reroll to evi/acrher. Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteAlbania Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 i dont understand why people "defend" lineage 2 on drops. People used to gear and get gold just by doing kartia, spezion, fortuna freya zaken or normal istina when u could get a full tw piece, now u cant get anything. even on high level dungeons u see stupid drops. Game is f2p and 200% p2w, if u wanna get good spend 18913712897 dollars if not just sit back and enjoy what u can (1 shot by others). people used to do even teredor to get some requiem/immortal or even u could get them in BS. now u get fortune pouches like why? complete useless drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyperD Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 I do balok, octavis, istina and tauti normal. Balok always drop 4 items I try sometime with a char rune 200% out of party last hit the same rune, superior wellow or green, bear or bewr, and app( sometimes crafting rare) octavis ( rune, bear some trash item decayiunf darrneks., crafint seraph) normally rune or bear sometimes nothing a lot of times. istina normal that dont drop making with 101 chars. sometimes rune crafting, normally nothing. tauti- (bear app) never ring, never fragment never never and with rune and char out of party never, dont undestand why in that page l2wk say drops tauti fragments 10% but never drop, but always drop that shitty app item and is 5% so? what is the trick here? 5% app is like 95% jajajajjaj really dont understand see this more like a trap how 5% become 95% always drops that garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyperD Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 6 hours ago, DanteAlbania said: i dont understand why people "defend" lineage 2 on drops. People used to gear and get gold just by doing kartia, spezion, fortuna freya zaken or normal istina when u could get a full tw piece, now u cant get anything. even on high level dungeons u see stupid drops. Game is f2p and 200% p2w, if u wanna get good spend 18913712897 dollars if not just sit back and enjoy what u can (1 shot by others). people used to do even teredor to get some requiem/immortal or even u could get them in BS. now u get fortune pouches like why? complete useless drop. and for that is the pvp is dead and just for some players the rest of game is pve and no really cant do all and with the new update Still less, no defense no damage no nothing and a lot of time to get items, just getting very bored this. who will call attention to farmear items years na that kind of slow game is for people that dont have nothing to do in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriHard Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Drops are garbage this is the death of this game and it increases at an exponential speed. Can't wait to see the credit card warriors play 100 ppl in server together, they will probably kill themselves irl when the game officially dies. Pathetic. And NcSoft is feeding them into it till the very last penny, EXACTLY like lottery games and slot machines and casinos. These +++ players have the exact same personality traits as those who have gambled their houses. Don't look up to them because they have all this ++++ gear, when the game dies they will see that they have absolutely f*cking nothing. Move on with your lives is the only winning scenario in the current state of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmareMode Posted July 20, 2018 Author Share Posted July 20, 2018 54 minutes ago, TriHard said: Drops are garbage this is the death of this game and it increases at an exponential speed. Can't wait to see the credit card warriors play 100 ppl in server together, they will probably kill themselves irl when the game officially dies. Pathetic. And NcSoft is feeding them into it till the very last penny, EXACTLY like lottery games and slot machines and casinos. These +++ players have the exact same personality traits as those who have gambled their houses. Don't look up to them because they have all this ++++ gear, when the game dies they will see that they have absolutely f*cking nothing. Move on with your lives is the only winning scenario in the current state of the game. I am a very low spender, i spend only 15$ per month on prestige pack. Altough i encourage ncoin's buying cus i do buy runes with in game adena. I consider miself lucky cus i havent spend more then this. On The way the game is curently evolving, i'll prolly cancel subscription as well( i do understand is a business and needs to produce money, but it went to far with this). To be onest, i'm w8ing to see the new update and it's changes in drop rate. If it's same nerfed, i'll just cancel that also. "What happened to the passion" ncwest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quitted Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 12 hours ago, TriHard said: Can't wait to see the credit card warriors play 100 ppl in server together, they will probably kill themselves irl when the game officially dies. Pathetic. As Draecke pointed out in january 2018 this already happened in japan Castle sieges = 14 ppl full geared jumping from one castle to another trying to pvp each other on the map Imho only a couple of ppl will try to committ suicide. You can identify them by the number of tickets they sent to support (or they asked Epii to send to the support) in 1 hour (the same number of tickers a normal clan sends in its entire l2 existence) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golemka Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Too much to read, let me put something here Quote Drop rate can be nerfed any time, but increasing it requires a whole new level of programming. PS: To any mod before you give me a warning, http://boards.lineage2.com/showpost.php?p=3552730&postcount=229 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yidao Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 9 hours ago, Quitted said: As Draecke pointed out in january 2018 this already happened in japan Castle sieges = 14 ppl full geared jumping from one castle to another trying to pvp each other on the map Therefore on May 23 the originally 12 servers in Japan were merged into 3 (and one new server opened):http://www.ncsoft.jp/lineage2/news/notice/view?bbsNo=3201&articleNo=5083 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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